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Here we are talking about creationism.

I was defining Harper.

operative words ... 'founding languages'. No point in catastrophizing. That'll be up to the kids to deal with, and they can probably already talk to each other in different languages and have it translated immediately, so no worries.

Paleocons? Bushites? Shrubs? Suckers?

true! I have no beef with anyone's beliefs that don't try to interfere with my own. Thus, I have a problem with proselytizing and attempt to impose creationism in secular schools. However, I don't think we're in much danger of that really.

n their London talks, Obama and Medvedev launched a milestone quest to slash their nuclear arsenals, hoping to reverse the worst slump in the former foes' ties since the end of the Cold War. The pair also discussed thorny issues including NATO's eastwards expansion, long opposed by Moscow which sees it as a power-grab by the West's former Cold War-era military bloc into former Soviet territory. "Yesterday I spoke about this with my new comrade President Barack Obama," Medvedev said. They also discussed U.S. plans for a missile defence shield, based in former communist-bloc countries which are now members of NATO and the European Union, like the Czech Republic. Again, Medvedev was complimentary. "Today from the United States there is at least a desire to listen to our arguments," he said, adding that: "Such defence measures should be carried out jointly" between Washington and Moscow. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Obama+get...0033/story.html I think this is quite encouraging.

I mean in the larger community, as in the survey. And I think religion that gets hung up on proving literal facts is not about God. It's about people trying to prove one people - their own - superior to others. imo

These silly dichotomous polls! It just divides people unnecessarily, and pretty much unintelligently. Obviously, some of each is a good mix. And that's pretty much what we have. A good rejigging is needed, but above and below the border we have free enterprise (arguably) and social assistance, mostly for families with children and elders. It's the appropriate mix that we keep struggling with, though. I think Canada is still imbalanced. http://www.esnips.com/doc/629185b2-3bf1-40...ribution-Canada And here's another way of looking at it, world data: 1- Lower income - about 50% of the people together have about 2% of the wealth 2 - Middle income - about 48% of the people have about 58% of the wealth 3 - Higher income - about 2% of the people have about 40% of the wealth http://www.esnips.com/doc/d7644f2a-0d98-44...ution_World_xlc Yup ... bully corporatization, under the guise of 'free enterprise' ('free for me, not for you!') has done a number on wealth distribution, just like it was supposed to. Needs to be rebalanced.

Ya ... cuts both ways, eh? got it now.

Creationism is not accepted as fact, just respected as religious belief.

Not out of nothing, surely, but from random elements that randomly arranged themselves into matter... ?

beg pardon?

I agree about Nunavut. In fact, Canada has many founding languages - Indigenous languages, French, English. I agree that Nunavut should have its own official language, the language of its people. And yes, official bilingualism is about providing service in the founding languages. It is NOT about how many anglophones learn French. That has nothing to do with it.

What is the purpose of official bilingualism, majcho?

If we define "terrorists" as anyone who fights against an occupying power, then we are always on the side of the occupiers. I don't think it is that simple.

The demonstrators flooded into the summit site after smashing through the hotel's glass doors, but they were otherwise non violent. Hundreds of them streamed in, without police interference. Protesters hugged the officers and shook their hands. wow!

I definitely need to use more sources. The wiki page alludes to the "secrecy" too. As a believer in the Bible as allegory, the inconsistencies of history are not surprising to me. What is shocking to me, though, is - my own ignorance - that this whole dilemma/discussion exists and I wasn't aware. In some respects, it matters not how the various interpretations of God - religions of the world - came to be. If God is universal, they are merely cultural differences.

I see the bias, and I'm not promoting that view. Thanks for clarifying that for me. It's the first time I've delved into this topic at all, and it began from a curiosity about the early Christians before Constantine. It's just history to me.

At great public expense and for private profit. right. makes total sense. Hard to argue with their logic, on an economic or human level. Context is everything. The Islamic Courts Union was led by Sheikh Sharif Ahmed. When asked if the ICU plans to extend its control to the rest of Somalia, Sheikh Ahmed responded in an interview: "Land is not our priority. Our priority is the people's peace, dignity and that they could live in liberty, that they could decide their own fate. That is our priority. Our priority is not land; the people are important to us."[32] Somalia at the height of I.C.U. power, December 2006 Several hundred people, mostly civilians caught in the crossfire, died during this conflict. Mogadishu residents described it as the worst fighting in more than a decade. The Islamic Courts Union accused the U.S. of funding the warlords through the Central Intelligence Agency and supplying them with arms in an effort to prevent the Islamic Courts Union from gaining power. The United States Department of State, while neither admitting nor denying this, said the U.S. had taken no action that violated the international arms embargo of Somalia. A few e-mails describing covert illegal operations by private military companies in breach of U.N. regulations have been reported[33] by the UK Sunday newspaper The Observer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somalia#2000.E2.80.93Present Ah the stink of the CIA ... protecting what? whose interests?

Somali pirates "smell money" as good times return Authorities in northern Puntland region, which includes Eyl, said money spent on the huge foreign ship deployment to stop the pirates would be best sent to them. "If the world gave us 10 percent of the money they use for warships, we would fight pirates on land and thus eliminate them," Puntland information minister Warsame Abdi told Reuters in the region's main port, Bosasso.

E-consultation does not need to replace traditional face-to-face public involvement; it can serve as a convenient and broad-based complement to an event like a round table or town hall meeting. Organizations will not be able to avoid the fact that future generations will prefer, if not demand, the option to participate on-line. If this reality is not considered, Williams’s quiet discontent and “withdrawal of interest” could worsen beyond our current democratic apathy (1958) . Makes sense to me. Unfortunately, politically we are limited by the vision of the party paying for the e-consultation, so it still doesn't help with input at the political level, but at the bureaucratic level it could help.

Creationism is part of religious instruction, wherever that is appropriate. I think what the survey shows is that most Canadians don't think creationism and evolution are incompatible. There was a point in evolution when homo sapiens emerged, the beginning of human consciousness. I see the Bible's creation story as a literary allegory for that point in human evolution. I don't think there's much of a debate here. One is science, one is literature, religious literature, taught in religious settings as 'doctrine', or in secular educational settings as literature for critique. I don't think Canadians are divided, except those who isolate themselves by insisting that their creation doctrine be imposed on others, but they are an insignificant minority trying to create divisions where none really exist.

What bullshit.

Dead Sea Scrolls stir storm at ROM http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/616059 http://www.burningcross.net/crusades/dead-...lls-crisis.html Again, to summarize the great theological dilemma faced by the Church following the discovery of the Scrolls: first, Jesus Christ (if historical) was not unique, and secondly, Christianity has little to do with the message of Christ or the sect to which he belonged. For nearly two thousand years, what the Church has propagated as 'history' has been an elaborately constructed mythology intended to support its doctrine and the theocratic empire built upon it. The source for much of this later mythology was the Jewish tradition preserved in the Dead Sea Scrolls, going back at least a century before the birth of Christ. It is therefore hardly surprising that Catholic scholars who controlled access to the Scrolls should have done everything possible to suppress their evidence and mislead the public. What the Scrolls have to say truly leaves their institution with shattered foundations. This is all news to me. And quite shocking.