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Depends ... what do you want to accomplish, if anything? What message do you want people to hear? "I'm an asshole" ???

yes It has to be assessed and diagnosed and documented in court, where charges are pending, and treatment options proposed.

Yes ... or in this state anyway ... you know, the one the thread is about.

There are many people of colour who are not Muslim, and many Muslims who are not people of colour. So you reserve the right to consider all "brown people" Muslim terrorists? I think you've just made my point. Discrimination is ugly, a blight on humanity.

Yes, you are making their point. Some twits can make us all look bad, and pretty much destroy themselves in the process. benny, on the other hand, makes a lot of sense.

She lends herself well to being mocked, but that's too easy. Conrad Black, who is currently imprisoned for mail fraud and obstruction of justice. Mail fraud. Obstruction of justice. Not even anything dramatic! Really, these are just people worth forgetting. Truly, such arrogance is its own undoing.

At the origin of Black's troubles with his shareholders and justice, is a 2002 interview his wife granted to Vogue magazine in her London mansion, where she said that her "extravagance knows no bounds." She brought him down. Suck it up babs. In August 2008, Amiel published a five-page defense of her husband in Maclean's magazine in which she portrayed herself as the victim of a gross injustice. "My life was wiped out in Chicago — at least all that mattered in it," she wrote. "What does it matter if one well-off elderly white woman with too many pairs of expensive shoes now finds her social life largely limited to visiting her dearly missed husband in a U.S. federal correctional institution." "memememememememememe" You broke him, you bought him, babs. Take him 'home'.

Hmm ... maybe this should have gone in Indoctrinate U? Ok, so I'm not into the total fear-mongering tone of this extreme scenario. I'm sure there's a balance to be considered, and this is only one point of view. At the same time, if there's corporate research that needs to be done and paid for, jobs to be had for students and efficiencies in innovation, the cohabitation of corporate and academic research and innovation makes total sense. And I think the phrase "societal play of forces that operates beneath the surface of political forms" is very important. That's us ... the people ... most of whom want to live comfortably both economically and ethically, in the middle.

Dichotomize and divide! That's how we work against ourselves! Still we allow ourselves to be sucked into the polarization of 'principles' - capitalism V socialism, when neither can EVER work in practice without the other. Some of us are the 'radical middle' who refuse to accept the divisions foisted upon us. In reality, the vast majority of Canadians are people of the middle road and always will be, the balanced mix of capitalism and socialism that serves us well. When either becomes paramount and is allowed to get out of control, we feel the consequences as we are right now. Unfettered corporatism is fascist totalitarianism, not free enterprise, and we skirted too close and now we are getting burned because we allowed ourselves to greedily consume what we should have preserved for coming generations. Unfettered socialism is communist totalitarianism and consumes the young by stunting creativity and innovation. When we stop allowing ourselves to be divided arbitrarily, and begin planning together in the radical middle, where dogma is ruled out of order, then we will be mature enough as a species to protect our own existence. Until then, we are eating our young with these arbitrary and polarizing and dysfunctional debates at the extremes, where nobody truly 'lives' in reality.

Decrim is a red herring - still maintains the 'criminal' production and distribution. Only legalization will work.

A 14 year old psychotic would be in the justice system only long enough to establish mental illness.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JE21Ak04.html This was advice to Bush ... Middle East May 21, 2008 Mind your (terror) language By Khody Akhavi WASHINGTON - From the people who brought you the "war on terror" and the "axis of evil" comes a new verbal tonic for combating that amorphous emotion. Out with pejoratives like "Islamo-fascists", "jihadis" and "mujahideen", and in with "words that work", that is according to a George W Bush administration memo that was leaked last month to the Associated Press. The non-binding 14-point guide on counterterrorism communication, prepared by the US National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC), urges US officials to drop language and terminology that may offend Arab and Muslim communities, to use terms such as "violent extremist" or "terrorist" instead of "jihadi", and to shift the discussion away from the dualistic "clash of civilizations" or battle between "Islam and the West", a paradigm that casts Islam as inherently violent. "A mujahid, a holy warrior, is a positive characterization in the context of a just war. In Arabic, jihad means 'striving in the path of God' and is used in many contexts beyond warfare. Calling our enemies jihadis and their movement a global jihad unintentionally legitimizes their actions," according to the report. "We need to emphasize that terrorists misuse religion as a political tool to harm innocent civilians across the globe." Interesting, and totally makes sense. It's not what you say that matters, it's what they hear.

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wtf? ... Now I'm responsible for the actions of the whole world? not. Only my own little struggle. I have no such delusions of controlling the whole world. but if that's your thing ... hey ... fill yer boots! (yeesh! ya try to be fair they crap on you because someone else is not fair? Because someone somewhere in the world is unfair, we're all supposed to be unfair to everyone, 'just in case' they're a terrorist? hmm ... ya ... that'll really work! )

Well, I'm known as a "leftie" here ... and my values are pure Canadian. That's why I cited the Charter. Now a discussion board is not, strictly speaking, "law", but I guess I am assuming incorporation of the spirit of the Charter in the mlw ToS. So ... I presume to point out discrimination on a 'grounds' included in the Charter: Generalized negative statements discriminate against all Muslims, because some are deemed "terrorists". And it isn't right, and it isn't nice. so there

yup! Everyone who supports the Constitution. 15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Then show us one, and we can discuss it. Lotts is one of at least 73 U.S. inmates -- most of them minorities -- who were sentenced to spend the rest of their lives in prison for crimes committed when they were 13 or 14, according to the Equal Justice Initiative, a nonprofit organization in Alabama that defends indigent defendants and prisoners. The 73 are just a fraction of the more than 2,000 offenders serving life sentences for crimes they committed as minors under the age of 18. Across the country, most juvenile offenders and many adults are given a second chance. Charles Manson, convicted in seven notorious murders committed when he was 27, will be eligible for his 12th parole hearing in 2012. He's been denied parole 11 times. Even "Son of Sam" killer David Berkowitz, who confessed to killing six people in the 1970s when he was in his 20s, has had four parole hearings, though he has said he doesn't deserve parole and doesn't want it. But Quantel Lotts has no hope for a parole hearing. At least not yet. Charles Manson gets a parole hearing. 'Son of Sam' gets a parole hearing. Quantel Lotts does not. hello?

pssst! shady! That's what party hacks are paid here for! HEAR HEAR!!

Evidence from her website please?

Well then read the op so you can discuss this issue in an informed manner ... please!

And you have said exactly ... nothing of value. Oh I think this kid realizes that. He's in jail for life, remember? That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. betsy, you are exactly the kind of gullible reader the news headlines are slanted for: You never read anything but the headlines, and you fall for the media scare-propaganda everytime! It shows in your posts. You make gross generalizations about things you have not informed yourself about. You don't know the real story for either of those situations, and yet you make gross generalizations of catastrophy because of "those parents who spoil their children rotten...who let their kids get away with anything" What bullshit! Uninformed opinion is useless at best, and at worst it is dangerous propaganda.

Our single payer system provides better service for a lot less money than your multiple administration system. Economies of size, you know. I realize you can't change it because of the insurance lobby, but collectively it's costing you more for less.

Perhaps it is not shocking to you, but you can't presume to speak for "others like her".

You are missing the point. What we oppose is the discrimination we see and hear among people who dismiss all Muslims as terrorists. That's just bonkers! Should I disrespect all Christians because some are terrorists? (And see my post in 'beheading' thread.)

She knew that her integrity would be attacked by both sides. But Khadija appreciates the kind support from fellow Muslims world-wide. I have to point out that everyone in this thread dissing this woman has assumed, with no evidence at all, that she is a fundamentalist Muslim, a friend of the 'terrorist' Taliban. Being Muslim does not make one a fundamentalist nor a terrorist. A lot of people here seem to have forgotten that the people our Canadian soldiers are fighting to defend (from the Taliban) are also Muslim. I repeat: Being Muslim does not make you Taliban or terrorist. I am appalled at the lack of awareness and knowledge and common decency displayed here. What I see is discrimination on the basis of religion, with no basis in fact. The woman is a journalist for Al Jazeera, a respected moderate Muslim media voice. It appears that the big T has intervened, realizing their ass would be grass if the little t kidnapper criminals killed her. Hell, if they beheaded her, the people here dissing her and wishing her dead would be the first ones to condemn the Taliban for it.