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That's bull-oney. Workers' wages plus health care costs less in Canada than in the US. Your argument is inaccurate. Their wages are not "ridiculously high". Provide a citation for that claim please. You were right the first time: They make crappy huge cars that people don't want to buy anymore.

Non union shops have pensions too. This is a false argument. Pensions are a cost of doing business.

But that wasn't Christianity. ??? Who was it then? The history books say it was Christianity.

Did you read the Globe and Mail link in the op? They conducted an independent investigation. 50,000 is a very conservative estimate because some churches have not provided their school enrolment data. No, there is no exaggeration. If anything, an underestimate.

I would appreciate it if you would stop hijacking this thread topic. Start another thread please!!

I don't believe in guilt, so that's not my issue but perhaps yours, and the term 'white gui9lt' is sickening as it is intended as dismissal. I believe in truth and facts and taking action. Many Indigenous people are successful today too. Of course there is no 'official' government or church citation for the deaths of children in the residential schools, because they are still covering it up. However, we know that well over 100,000 children attended the schools, and we know that for the period 1907 to 1940, at least half of the children died and no efforts were made to prevent the spread of disease: Sick and well children were housed together despite decades of warnings. The research was initially done by Kevin Annett, and was recently replicated and confirmed by the Globe and Mail, using National Archive data. (see G&M link above) They are very complex questions. However, government and church accountability for the policies and practices of the residential schools has been established in our own courts, resulting in the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which is supervised by the UN/ICTJ (See link in op). http://www.trc-cvr.ca/ We know about the rampant abuse in the schools. Now we need to know the truth about the children who died.

Over 50,000 children died in the care of the churches and the federal government. The destruction of culture, families and communities and the abuse of children and the loss of land resonates in the ill health and social problems of their communities to this day, it is true. One of the most serious effects was that the childfren grew up unable to love and care for and parent their own children, due to the environment of the schools and their own psychological trauma. Destruction of culture and family has severe and long lasting, intergenerational impacts, and according to our own courts, we are accountable for our attempts to destroy Indigenous cultures.

That's the sickening secret of Canada: We are supposedly a leader in human rights, but we have perpetrated many crimes against Indigenous Peoples in Canada.

Again, just more prejudice and denigration of the poor. Discrimination is particularly ugly from the well fed against the hungry.

Again, that's just a disgusting denigration of poor people, a flippant and derogatory dismissal, designed to make rich people more comfortable with gouging the poor and leaving them hungry. It's the kids growing up hungry that bother me, because I saw them all the time. It limits their development unnecessarily It's just disgusting in Canada that we allow that.

From your reference: If TH Huxley was Darwin’s bulldog, then ID is Dawkins’ basset hound, an organization whose goal is to sniff out weak points in evolutionary theory, almost like a third-party auditor making sure your books are in order. Evolutionists retaliate, showing that Darwin’s challenge has not been met, and the cycle continues, producing as a side effect an even more coherent evolutionary theory. I'm not really curious about extremist 'creationism', but I do wonder this: With all of the archeological evidence of a variety of human forms existing on earth at various times in history ... which form of humans are Adam and Eve supposed to be? Neanderthal? Cro Magnum? or something even earlier? Just a curiosity.

Sunglasses cost a dollar at a dollar store, and are a necessity for people with sensitive eyes. What a silly issue to use to denigrate the poor! On average, Canada is a rich country. However, the wealth is not properly distributed if people still go hungry here, and they do. If each x's is 2% of the people and each $ is 2% of income, this is roughly the income distribution in Canada: x $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx $ And that's reported income and does not even account for the money the ultra-rich stash 'offshore'. It's simply wrong, morally, ethically, and practically, and the gap is getting even worse all the time, and the poor are getting poorer all the time. Redistribution of only 1/10th of a percent of the income of the top 2% would raise all Canadians out of poverty. I know kids go to school hungry. I know they can't concentrate, are often sick, generally listless, fall behind, and often drop out and fall into a life of crime. Thus, not only would getting rid of poverty increase our production, it would reduce crime, social services, etc. Every dollar invested in eradicating poverty saves $7 in the long run. It would be a very noble experiment.

I think we do use gasoline like a luxury. For example, on a recent holiday stores were closed everywhere but Toronto. The roads were jammed with people driving to Toronto to shop. People shop for entertainment these days and consume too much. I think there is still room for more pressure (from gas prices) to force people to drive different cars and drive differently. However, I also understand that there are huge areas of Canada with long commutes to anywhere, and a subsidy may be necessary. I think necessity should 'drive', not consumerism.

Oh ... in France. k thanks.

Here's the original report: http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~inzlicht/rese...ash,%202009.pdf

It's the same article, MH. Less stressed about performance and about errors. Suggests faith leads one to leave one's fate in the hands of God, perhaps? I must say it strikes me in light of this thread: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....c=13947&hl= as we have found the church people notoriously unwilling, resistant even to the truth of the church's complicity.

A personal story: My great-grandmother was a medicine woman in Saskatchewan. She travelled primarily by horse-drawn wagon and lived in a tipi. Indian policy in Canada required all status and treaty Indian children to attend residential schools. Following this policy, the local Indian agent and RCMP came and took away all five of my great-grandmother’s children and sent them to residential school. Only three survived. My grandmother’s experiences in the school were drastically different from Martha’s experiences in the story. My grandmother was sexually abused during her first year at school, and although she survived her experience, it affected her psychologically. She turned away from her culture, became an alcoholic, and died young from breast cancer. Her brothers would not survive their first year at school. Both died from diseases. When my great-grandmother, Mrs. Okweehow, came back in the spring to pick up her children, there was no happy reunion as there is in Sterling’s book. She waited in vain outside the school for her two sons to come out. The nuns had failed to inform my grandmother that her brothers had died, and when they eventually informed my great-grandmother that the boys were dead, they would not tell her where they were buried. There are many more stories much like these. http://www.langandlit.ualberta.ca/archives...ers/desiree.htm

Yes it is a good report, and these are credible professionals. A full, independent investigation would be a good place to go from there.

They do have the right if the pro-life groups go over the line into harassment and hate speech, which they have.

What General Strike in 1969? I have no recollection of that at all.

It's a fact not well known by Canadians, because it has been hidden from us, that thousands of children died in Canada's 'Indian' Residential Schools. Their families only know that children went missing. They were never informed of their deaths: The children simply never came home. Hundreds of families have made inquiries of Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission about children who just disappeared - never came home. Victims can't be forgotten: Group By MATT KIELTYKA, 24 HOURS Five years after they first took to the streets, a Vancouver group is still trying to find justice for thousands of children who died while in residential schools. "We're trying to keep this issue alive," said Kevin Annett, an organizer with the Friends and Relatives of the Disappeared advocacy group. The group was out again yesterday, passing out leaflets to people at the intersection of Burrard and Georgia Streets and holding up a large "All the children need a proper burial" banner. It's believed about 50,000 aboriginal children died in residential schools and many of them never received proper burials. Annett and his group want the federal government to do the right thing and force churches to disclose the location of unmarked gravesites. "They need to disclose the burial sites and give these victims a proper burial, not let them be forgotten," he said. "[The lack of progress] is disturbing, especially since Canada was cited by the UN for this issue." Natives died in droves as Ottawa ignored warnings BILL CURRY AND KAREN HOWLETT From Tuesday's Globe and Mail OTTAWA — As many as half of the aboriginal children who attended the early years of residential schools died of tuberculosis, despite repeated warnings to the federal government that overcrowding, poor sanitation and a lack of medical care were creating a toxic breeding ground for the rapid spread of the disease, documents show. Full text here ... http://www.esnips.com/doc/d02fc5b2-b655-4c...-Articles_-2007 EDUARDO GONZALEZ From Tuesday's Globe and Mail November 3, 2008 at 11:38 PM EDT As The Globe and Mail has reported, bodies of aboriginal children lie in unmarked graves across Canada, on the grounds of residential schools where the federal government sought for more than a century to extinguish aboriginal culture. Although the Truth and Reconciliation Commission investigating these schools has hit a roadblock, it remains the best chance the schools' survivors have to tell their stories - and the best chance Canada has to face its past. ... -Reconciliation cannot be imposed on a society. The most a commission can do is clarify past events and amplify the voices of people who have been stigmatized or silenced. Reconstructing facts without euphemism and restoring the dignity of victims are first steps toward national reconciliation, but they are only the beginning. Thanks to the Canadian commission, federal researchers are working to identify the thousands of aboriginal children who vanished from the residential schools; many of the children are thought to be in the anonymous graves at the school sites. It is their memory that Canada should honour as it presses forward with its historic truth commission, and works to achieve a healthier, more united country. Eduardo Gonzalez is deputy director of the Americas program at the International Center for Transitional Justice and a former staff member of the Peruvian Truth and Reconciliation Commission. --------------------------- The churches involved are primarily Anglican, Catholic, United (and a few Presbyterian and Methodist). The lawsuit against our government was successful and established responsibility for cultural destruction, physical and sexual abuse. There was no mention of children dying. The Anglican church has apologized to victims, and is the only church to come forward and identify the fact that many children died and request investigation. The United church has apologized, but has actively denied that any children died and fired the Minister (Kevin Annett) who exposed children's deaths at a United church school. The Catholic church has never apologized and actively denies any deaths. It has recently been announced that the Pope will apologize for cultural, physical and sexual abuses but again there will be no mention of deaths. The federal government, which took charge of the church-run schools in 1872, reports that it never requested any records from the schools regarding deaths of children: Only a total number of students enrolled was reported each year for funding purposes. The fact that records were not kept, families were never informed and graves were hidden suggests nefarious motives. This must be clarified through proper investigation, for there can be no reconciliation without the whole truth. Due to public pressure, Canada's Truth and Reconciliation Commission has hired a researcher to investigate school records for evidence of children's deaths. However, Canada has no plans to search the most obvious place - the unmarked gravesites known to exist near every former residential school. Because of this government indifference/coverup, some independent Canadians are seeking independent international financial and technical support to conduct surveys of school grounds to establish the presence of unmarked graves, and approximate numbers of children buried there.

Have you read the full report?

It's obvious you are not interested in learning the truth.

This is a brand new report, authored by several academics with good credentials, in a respectable peer-reviewed journal. It is analysis of a variety of donated dust samples from the WTC collapse, pretty hard data and can be replicated by independent researchers. It is certainly worth demanding a more complete and unbiased investigation than has been done to date. Our soldiers are still dying in Afghanistan because of this. We owe them the truth.

Accordingly, in late November 2008, newly-appointed immigration minister Jason Kenney announced that in 2009 between 240,000-265,000 new permanent residents will be accepted in Canada.... In setting this target, Kenney maintained that this number is necessary to respond to the diverse skill requirements “of an expanding and dynamic economy.” ... it would likely have little impact on the Canadian workforce. The reason is that as a percentage of our population, 240,000-265,000 newcomers represent less than one per cent of our national population. This number is even less significant when we factor in people who will be leaving Canada permanently during the same period. Up to 71,000 of these future immigrants will be coming to Canada under the family class as sponsored spouses, partners, parents, children, and grandparents. Another 27,200 permanent visas are reserved for protected persons who we are, more-or-less, bound to offer refuge or protection here. Then there is another 10,000 immigrants who we will be accepting for a wide range of humanitarian considerations. That will leave about 156,600 in the “economic class” of which a growing percentage is selected by the provinces and territories. http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/live/article/162225 Your facts are not correct, and you gave no source. Immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out.