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You didn't use Nazi or Hitler in your post. You fail at Godwin's Law. It's okay though...that's not really a bad thing
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Two..... Come on people someone has to bite! We're almost there!
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He fought tooth and nail with the NCC to get the gag law repealed. It didn't work, the Supreme Court saw to that. Now he is no longer part of the NCC, but rather the Prime Minister of Canada. His principles would suggest he'd ban gay marriage and abortion as well, but he's not going to do that either. Why? Because it would be the end of his political career. As an expert opinion on politicians and the inner-workings of government, you have to wonder why you haven't been able to come to the simple conclusion that politicians, by their very nature, seek to extend their positions to as much as possible. I don't think any of us are under the illusion that any of our recent Prime Ministers didn't have their own best interests in mind. Is it hypocritical to hide behind election gag laws after you denounced them for years? Yes, no argument. With that being said, Harper was not the one who enacted this law in the first place. That was Chretien, and as far as I'm concerned it's COMPLETELY ethical to have the Liberals taste their own medecine for a few years after fighting to keep it in place all the way to the Supreme Court. That's poetic justice, and pretty funny to boot. If you insist on playing an unfair game, don't go crying when your opponent turns your own rules against you.
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For someone so well versed in politics, you have to wonder where you come up with such a biased and unfounded statement like this. As far as the NCC and gag law issue is concerned, your declaration of hypocrisy I find somewhat amusing. Harper campaigned to have it repealed, it went to the Supreme Court and was upheld. This was when the Liberals were the ruling goverment. Chretien came up with that. Now that Harper is leading the government with the CPC, Liberals and their supporters (the Toronto Star in particular), cry like the babies they are because a law they enacted isn't being repealed. At this point in time, why WOULD Harper repeal the law? Really? Yes, I guess it's something he probably considers the right thing to do, but I'm sure there are thousands of things he thinks are the right thing to do but are probably a stupid thing to do. Why repeal a gag law that your opponents (who are completely broke now) enacted in the first place and which is currently crippling their ability to advertise and promote their cause? If I were him, I'd do nothing as well. Now that the Liberals are getting a taste of it, maybe they'll repeal this (another one of Trudeau's abominations) next time they form a government.
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While I AM a supporter of Harper thus far, I can never really wrap my head around an argument like this. What the hell are you talking about with 'freedom of choice' and destroying society etc. The CPC hasn't really changed anything as far as freedoms of choice are concerned, and the Liberals didn't really do much either. What are you talking about? I'm completely opposed to the Liberal platform altogether, but your comment is so abstract it almost comes across as meaningless. Again...what are you talking about?
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Biased testimonials like yours mean pretty much nothing on an online forum where nobody can verify what you're saying. You've met a lot of politicians huh? Are we talking shaking hands or really getting to know them? Did you live in the US, Germany, Australia and the UK and actually have a vested interest in the politics there? What was your experience there? Is there any possible chance that you MIGHT be exaggerating your knowledge of foreign and domestic politicians and in turn exaggerating your personal feelings of Stephen Harper? Maybe? Just maybe??
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Pardon my colorful rhetoric. While pieces of meat aren't literally flying this way and that and the floor isn't totally covered in pieces of meat, there most certainly are the odd pieces here and there that do end up on the floor. These are the trimmings and little giblets etc. You literally can't avoid the odd piece falling to the floor on a regular basis. You're right, they're not dirty when they hit the floor. They ARE dirty when they get stuck in the tread of boots, or in their laces and shoe buckles etc and then are worn off the production floor, stored at room temperature in lockers for weekends, and then worn down again to the production floor. This is what I'm talking about. You're also not going to keep the floor clean when people are walking all over the place in the factory outside the production floor. There WILL be contamination on the floor unless you have disinfectant spraying the floor 24/7. While I do take insult to your basically calling me a liar, I'll try to respond with some cold hard logic. Yes, fat trimming on the floor is lost money. At the same time, if your workforce has to work so carefully that NO fat trimming hits the floor, they'll be working so slowly that the company would lose money anyways. I'm not talking about the kill floor either. I'm talking about big pieces of meat going to the packaging plant, being cut by BONESAWS that would take a man's hand off in 2 seconds into smaller dinner-sized portions, and then being packaged for grocery stores. I left the factory floor as often as not with blood and marrow and meat pulp on me from my boots up to my chest. I had to wear plastic aprons down to my knees because of this. Don't even try to tell me that there isn't going to be the odd piece of fat or sawed up meat goop falling on the floor, because I've literally lived that for about 10 months of my life.
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Touché. I really don't have anything to respond to that with. All I can really say is that having worked in a meat factory, I'm not surprised and I also think it's impossibly hard to regulate fully.
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I'm talking about the pieces of meat that go flying when the cutters are chopping up the meat, or opening up bags of meat, or scraping them clean etc etc etc. A lot of meat goes flying around. A lot of shavings and marrow etc ends up on the floor and on you as you work. You end up with crap all over your boots and in your tread, and then when you walk outside the production floor that's no longer refrigerated and is allowed to rot. You clean most of it off, but not all, and there's no way those floors are clean halfway through a shift.
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Yes I know...I likely just waste time explaining it. Dion knows this, that's for sure. Too bad most of his supporters don't. This is so true it hurts. My favorite was the outcry when Harper said he wasn't going to proceed with the naval vessel contract. The liberals for years neglected to spend an extra dime on Canada's military, but when the CPC doesn't go ahead with an over-budget contract, Liberal supporters cry bloody murder. Hilarious. I'll take your word for it, but it's hard to really see it sometimes.
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Exactly
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Cooking really is the key isn't it? Too bad you can't count on everyone at home and at restaurants to follow safe food practises. Rotten meat, yes. Your boots don't get stored in a refrigerator nor is there really a good way to make sure your boots get perfectly clean every time you leave the floor. What are you going to do, have people supervising 300 employees at the end of every shift watching each and every one of them clean their boots? Not possible. As for me and my shame, spare me. The student workers there got fired for things as small as stretching out their backs too much. With a university education riding on my and my friends' continued employment there, I wasn't about to kick up a stink. The fact is even if you do report it it's not like you have any proof. The meat inspectors would show up again, everyone would behave, and there would be nothing to note. Bottom line is you have to cook your meat. The people who don't either aren't handling their food properly or the restaurants they eat at aren't.
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You're really failing to see the point here. The fixed election date is pretty much useless in a minority government. It makes total sense for a majority government, as Chretien and others abused the ability to call an election whenever the winds looked favorable, but it's a completely different story for a minority. I'll repeat, once again, that Dion has been threatening an election all year. Everyone against Harper has been saying, "Bring it ON! It's time to end Harper's tyranny and put an end to the EVIL CONSERVATIVE EMPIRE." Now that he's finally agreed it might be time, the same people who have been hoping for an election have turned around and started saying it was wrong what he did. Basically, according to these people, Stephen Harper should make sure that he gives every advantage possible to the Liberal government in regards to when the next election should be called. Harper should make sure that the next election either happens at the fixed date, or at a time the Liberals choose, almost certainly a time when they feel they have the upper hand. Now ask yourself, why would he do that? Would the Liberals do that if the position were reversed? I think we can all safely assume no, given that Chretien dissolved a popular MAJORITY government to do pretty much the same thing Harper is thinking of doing. The difference here, of course, is that Chretien had a functioning majority government whereas Harper has a minority government bungled down in committees. This is a government whose opposition leader has been fussing the entire year that he will bring the government down, yet fails to show up for all the confidence votes. When this threat is constant and ever present, you have to take it at face value. The fixed election date becomes irrelevant when the opposition has made it perfectly clear it intends to bring down the government. How can you have a functioning government when over half of Parliament votes against legislation or abstains from voting altogether? I can only shake my head and wonder at those of you who actually think that it's reasonable for a fragile and unstable government to carry on and wait for its opposition, which has already threatened to bring down the government, to gather support and funding in order to do so at the best time possible for them. What you're really doing here is just whining like little kids. You know you'd support it if it was the Liberals doing the same thing, but reverse the position and you wet your beds.
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3000 meat inspectors isn't enough to do the job quite frankly. I can speak from experience here as well. I spent 4 summers working at a meat packaging plant to help fund my education, and quite frankly the workers there took no pride in the product they were producing. At this plant, when a piece of meat fell on the ground, guess what happened? Someone, sometimes even a supervisor, would pick the piece of meat up, spray it with a bit of water and clean it off, and put it right back on the production line. When you have hundreds of people walking around with raw, rotten and bloody meat on their boots, even the dimmest of people would know that the right thing to do would be to throw that piece of meat out after it hits the floor. Sadly this doesn't always happen. The meat inspectors can't be there every day. Sure, when they WERE there, everyone would behave properly, but as soon as they were gone, it was back to normal. The companies themselves need to ensure quality and to some extent be held responsible for tainted meat problems like this. On the other hand, there's no way they could afford the steps necessary to make the meat 100% safe 100% of the time. There's too many variables to account for, the worst of which are the people working with meat. Moral of the story is: Cook your meat. That should be a no-brainer by now but apparently it isn't
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Or he knows that for the last year parliament has been focused on pretty much nothing but a possible election. The threat of an election looming ever overhead is enough to make parliament disfunctional. If Harper feels that he cannot advance his voter-given mandate because he has to adjust every bill to meet the needs of the bleating sheep in parliament, that IS disfunctional, despite what wussy Dion has been saying. Dion said he may be ready for an election, Harper said, "Fine let's get it over with," and now Dion is looking like a chump for getting called on his bluff. See this is rhetoric again. His bullying? Give us a solid example that would be any different than Chretien or Layton or whoever else there's been in recent history. His stance changing and pandering? Are you kidding me??? Pandering is how the Liberals have become the dominant force in politics for the last 20 years. Where does almost ALL of the Liberal's support come from I'll ask? Large urban centres. What's different about these places? Dominant ethnic populations. Why are these predominantly liberal? Because you'd be hard-pressed to find a more lenient immigration policy ANYWHERE in the western world than Liberal immigration policy. Large concentrations of ethnic people vote almost EXCLUSIVELY liberal, and that's because the Liberals make it easy for their aunts and uncles and parents and grandparents to move here under 'family-reunification' and so mooch off of our social welfare system. When we go over ethics, I think we can basically rule out any advantage the Liberals may have in that department, so even if the Liberals WERE able to nail him on any issue of poor ethics, they'd not have a leg to stand on. As for beliefs, THANK THE GODS that we have a politician who's more concerned with governing the country well than he is with his own personal beliefs. If he had any intention of changing abortion laws, or gay marriage laws, or anything else like that, I'd likely cast my vote with the sheep herd and go Liberal. I'm smart enough, however, to know that Harper has no intention to even touch these, because he's smart enough to know that Canadians want nothing to do with that....kind of like Dion's LOLGREENSHIFTLOL.
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Harper's Arctic Policy: "use it or lose it"
Moonbox replied to Ontario Loyalist's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
Couldn't have said it better myself. Why are we claiming the North if we're not going to develop it? Nobody lives there, and it WILL be developed, whether the eco-pandas like it or not. It had better be us instead of the Russians, Americans or Danes. Use it or lose it -
I think it's hilarious that you would fault Harper for not approving over-budget military contracts when the opposition wouldn't have spent the money in the first place. You support the party (liberal I'm assuming) that happily allowed the Canadian military to deteriorate for 13 years and then find fault in the CPC when they won't go over-budget on their plans to at least try and patch together what's left. I'm literally amazed at how blind and hypocritical some of you are.
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This has nothing to do with Harper being worried. If he calls and election it's because he thinks he can win. If he wins, he extends his term. Chretien did it too. He called an election halfway through his term and won it just because the environment looked right for it. This is what Harper is doing. Nothing has happened to make him even remotely afraid. The hypocrisy of the average liberal supporter (i like to call them sheep) knows no end. The liberals allowed our military to deteriorate to the sorry state its in today yet the sheep are bleating and carrying on when Harper announces he's not approving any over-budget contracts for new ships in the face of a much slower economy. The federal liberals were by FAR the biggest social service cutters in Canadian history, and have a pretty pathetic record of standing up to big business, yet they have the gall to proclaim the conservatives as big business flunkies. I think it's hilarious that the average bleating sheep out there somehow thinks that the liberals are the party most likely to look after the common person when their record over the last 15 years shows the exact opposite. If you ask the average liberal supporter, almost nobody is able to come up with any real reason why they support them. The only thing they can really agree on is that they're united in their common blind and stupid dislike for the CPC. Again, though, they can't really come up with any good arguments about why they hate Harper, other than the typical liberal rhetoric. Things like, "Harper is mini-bush" or "Harper is all about big-business" or "Harper is a crook" are what usually come to mind, but the average person can't really actually come up with any specific policies or doings they find offensive. Dion is a joke. He'll flounder in an election. Canada is not going to elect anyone who can't even really speak proper english.
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Conservatives cancel $4.7M arts travel program
Moonbox replied to maldon_road's topic in Federal Politics in Canada
This is so true it hurts. If you could pretend Canada was a large corporation with subsidiary companies (provinces) what the federal liberals basically did was they milked their subsidiaries for revenue and dumped their expenses on them. They made the parent company look good (Canada) with budget surpluses, while the subsidiaries (provinces) bled and were forced to cut services drastically. This is why class sizes and hospital wait times have increased to the sad state they're in, and the cuts have been funneled downhill to the municipalities as well. This is why Toronto infrastructure is crumbling. In the private sector, these would be considered accounting irregularities. They painted a rosey picture of their books to impress their investors (voters for the federal liberals), while completely hiding the fact that they were screwing their subsidiaries and that eventually, things would get really ugly for them. Fortunately for the federal liberals, however, the federal government is not held accountable to a standard of transparent accounting. Also, the average Canadian voter is far too stupid to see through even well documented and well known accounting schemes. Even if the evidence is right in front of your faces, you still bleat like sheep and like the good little Liberal voters you are proclaim how fiscally prudent the Liberals are. How can you possibly say the Liberals did a good job managing money when their most recent term was a period of unbelievable prosperity throughout the whole world? Not only did they benefit from a pretty much non-stop booming economy, they ALSO dumped the rest of the budget difference on the provinces. Yes, they balanced the budget. That was necessary. I approve of this to be honest. With that being said, they had the easiest period possible in which to do so (the complete opposite of today) and they did so at the expense of all the social services that Canadians seem to think the Liberals are champions for. Here's the reality: They are the opposite. They are responsible for more social service cuts than any government in pretty much all of Canadian history. The federal liberals under Chretien and Martin were about as right-wing as they come. We needed that after the idiots we had before them (Trudeau/Mulroney), but I prefer Harper's brand of financial management better. When the economy is doing bad, it's good practise to run a deficit anyways. It encourages the economy and helps us stay out of recession. I like that Harper is trying to adjust immigration law to encourage useful immigrants to come to Canada ahead of useless ones (they are a drain on social services), and I like that he is spending where we need improvement (crumbling military and social infrastructure) and I like that they aren't trying just pad the books like the Liberals did. -
I completely agree with this. There's a completely unfair playing field here and China should not have the advantage they do.
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While it's probably your fault you got suckered, I don't think that means in any way shape or form that the woman should be allowed to say. Honestly it should be a quick investigation and then deportation. She has no real right to be here. Why are we allowing criminals to land here permanently as immigrants? Failing deportation, she should be at least forced to move to Nunavut or something.
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My apologies then for not seeing hyperbole for hyperbole. Some of the forum posts here have me seeing the worst in people :S I for one am glad for you that you're not in Toronto. They'd have to triple my wages to get me to even consider living there. As for two incomes, that's really the key nowadays. The Single Income family is largely a thing of the past for most people.
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First off way to exaggerate wildly, and second of all nobody is forcing you to live in Toronto. That's a lifestyle you pay for with your wallet. If you choose to live in Toronto instead of commuting from outskirts you're going to end up paying more for a smaller house and you'll be able to afford less of everything. Again, this goes back to the lifestyle choices of the Baby Boomers and their offspring. We need immigration in this country because our current population isn't having enough babies (this is for Whowhere). We're not having enough babies because we don't want to live the meagre lifestyle of our parents and grandparents. My father had nothing growing up and my grandmother supported 3 kids on a librarians salary and a pension from my dead grandfather. You can do this today still. You're just not going to be eating out much, your kids will be wearing hand-me-downs with patches, you'll be driving a jalopy and you'll never go anywhere for vacation...just like families from the 1950's. Families today want to live differently.
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and if you look for a few minutes you can find actually fairly nice houses in the <100k price range.
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While we're pointing out the obvious, how about we mention that you've not supportted a single point you've made with any sort of relevant facts. Period. Also, I'm well aware of the sub-prime crisis in the US and certainly understand it better than you do. Canadian banks are regulated much more heavily. In the US people were getting mortgages without having to even provide confirmation of income. The banks deserve what they got there, and the people did too for being dumb enough to buy a house they can't afford. That's common sense. When your mortgage payment by itself is 40% of your gross monthly income, it doesn't take a genius to figure out it's probably not a good idea. Check the MLS listings (if you even know what that is) and you could find more than you could count. If that's beyond you, I could link some to you. It took me literally 30 seconds to find 10 houses in Ontario under $80,000.00. Sure, they're not exactly 2000 sqft in Toronto or anything, but that's pretty affordable. Again you show you're really having trouble grasping simple logic. People are paying what they can AFFORD for housing and building the houses they can AFFORD to live in with the lifestyle THEY WANT. It's simple supply and demand here. You can whine and carry on all you want about artificial demand, and about the vampire lawyers, ghoulish bankers and leeching real estate agents, but they provide a service that most people can't do on their own. All you've really done in this thread is cry that you don't like things the way they are and you've failed at every chance to link the effect to the cause. Yes, our economy relies on resources to a great extent and more so than it recently has. That being said, this has helped ensure that our unemployment rates haven't skyrocketed over the last year and ensured that our economy hasn't gone into recession. With oil, food and mineral prices at record highs, I think you're putting too much stock in the TSX too. How does that relate back to immigration again?? You're not even making sense. If you're going to make ridiculous claims like this you have to elaborate and provide proof of some sort. What you've told us has no more substance to it than a fart in the wind. That doesn't even make sense. Well done. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your observations mean squat. My observation is that employers fish for skills because they believe that skilled employees would be better for their company. It's stupid not to do so. Once again, however, you're not making a lot of sense. Immolation. Maybe if you keep repeating yourself people will start to think you're even making sense. I suppose you are the one to tell us what Canadian culture 'should' be right? HEY! GUESS WHAT? BRITAIN HASN'T REALLY HAD ANY HAND IN THE GOVERNING OF OUR COUNTRY SINCE AFTER WW1. WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????? This is the most ignorant collection of postings I've seen on a forum like this in forever. You make me sad that Canada even has people like you in it. TINFOIL HAT!!!!!!