Moonbox

Yes. I am always interested in looking at angry conspiracy websites. It usually takes about 30 seconds (maybe the first or second paragraph of my first article) to be able to highlight how completely buried in made-up bullshit they are. I did that with your insurance claim. I did that with my other thread in my opening post where you hilariously cited a doctor who denies HIV causes AIDS as your 'proof' for your anti-Fauci rambling. The only reason you find this nonsense compelling is that you're so desperate to find any "facts" that support your absurd viewpoints that you disable your skepticism and critical reasoning buffers and swallow it without filter. If you applied even 5% of the skepticism for the MSM (much of which is warranted) to these imbecilic fringe websites, you'd see it for yourself.

They can go wherever they like. They can post there if they like. They can come post here too. Regardless, those sites aren't even for them anyways. They're a place for anti-vaxxers to comb the world for any claims (fake or otherwise) that the vaccines are bad so that they can compile them in the scariest way possible and convince people that their conspiracy ramblings are anything but the nonsense they are.

Nobody's denying that there are rare cases of bad side-effects. There is with virtually any medicine. The point of contention is that sources like the ones you post have not even a shred of credibility. They're little more than soap-boxes for angry tantrums, conspiracy theories and ranting.

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That's a silly and self-serving delusion. It provides you carte-blanche to say whatever you want, and deny anything you want, because every media source in the world is suppressing your viewpoint. Once you've fooled yourself into believing that, facts and sources have no bearing on the discussion anymore. You've gone down the conspiracy rabbit-hole and now you're just playing make-believe. Those are clown shows.

An intelligent reader would have stopped reading as soon as they realized the author was nattering about a bunch of stuff that couldn't be sourced or verified outside of a lawyer complaining on FACEBOOK! If what the lawyer was saying was true, then those court records would be readily available. The best part is that the article itself just links you to an angry french lawyer's facebook page. It neither quotes or translates what was said, so good luck actually finding the reference yourself. This is a PERFECT example of 4dchan conspiracy larpist news. You just throw a bunch of hot-take headlines out there, link a bunch of stuff that doesn't actually prove what you're saying, and safely assume that there are a bunch of angry 4dchan larpists that will swallow it whole without even a microsecond of critical thinking or skepticism.

NOPE. Your friend doesn't seem to have much understanding of the insurance business, considering the number of deaths or complications from vaccines so far have been so negligible that they may as well be non-existent for actuarial purposes. That article was complete rubbish.

If you have something worthy of discussing, I'm all for it. If you're just going to rant about things you've decided you don't like, those don't merit much response beyond poking and mocking.

Good thing we have brave heroes like you here to rant at them and do just that, simply because they're "the government." I'm not a fan of either Trudeau or Ford and think they're different varieties of fool, but even they do some things right.

If you're going to read a headline, believe what it says and then go ahead and to use it to try and convince other people, but not even really read it yourself, I should think that's a cautionary tale for you. It's a warning sign that you're not critically considering the "information" you're being presented with and that the websites you're frequenting are peddling in balogna.

Even I can agree to that. Public sector should never be getting long-term wage increases faster than the private sector. At best they should keep up, but with since they've so wildly outpaced the private sector over the last 25 years in Canada they should actually just not increase at all until the private sector's caught up.

That's a dumb view. The government must be scrutinized at every turn. Criticizing them for the sake of criticizing them is foolish, otherwise you're operating on the assumption that everything the government does is automatically wrong.

You tell me when you're 90 whether or not LED TV radiation melts your retina. You're the long-term trial. This link of yours is also pretty hilarious. Included within: Unfortunately, no sources or court records are given, which is why the authenticity of the report cannot currently be verified So the story is essentially utter bullshit and provides links to all sorts of other clownshow fringe groups like "Principia Scientific" which couldn't larp harder at being real science if it tried. When the article you link is literally saying there are no sources and it can't be verified, that's your first clue on it not being a good idea to link here, genius.

Okay? So what does this tell/suggest about long-term side-effects?

I know you're trying to sound even-handed and thoughtful with this post myata, but what you're lamely trying to present as honest questions are very obviously little more than a ranting set of accusations.

Projecting much?

Except I do know the difference, I know how long they've been working on mRNA, that they started testing vaccines for them in mice back in the 90's, what some of the major hurdles were in prepping them for human vaccines, that they don't alter your DNA or any other nonsense like that. Most importantly, I have the good sense to understand that ~9 million doctors around the world (the actual people with the expertise and education to form intelligent opinions on the matter), are fully supportive of the vaccines and unconcerned with their risks. You, on the other hand, have the delusion that you're asking better and smarter questions than all of them. "We don't know what happens decades from now..." is a misguided notion not actually based on any specific concern but rather a vague superstition that something you don't understand might do something to you. With this line of reasoning you may as well throw your cellphone and other devices away, because you don't know what the long-term effects of prolonged exposure to gorilla glass will be, whether lithium off-gassing will poison your blood or if 5G might scramble your brain.

I don't think pointing out the hypocrisy of the arguments is really that important though, is it? You and I talked about this a bunch in years past about how far off-side things were going in the interest of political correctness.

If it's bad science, it's bad science. If you have better examples than the one like I posted in the OP, go ahead and offer it, but what from what I've seen here's it's just ranting 4dchan neckbeards complaining about Fauci calling their cherry-picked scientists out for nonsense. They're so desperate for anything even resembling fact-based opinions that they'll defend it to the death in any way they can.

No, it's not wrong. What you're saying is a pretty clear indication that you don't even have a layman's understanding of how vaccines work and your fears are based on little more than superstition and ignorance. We have 100+ years of vaccination usage to know how they affect people long term, and we also know that the risk of side-effects go down to virtually zero past the first few months. If the burden of safety for things like this was years or decades of clinical trials, we may as well not even bother with vaccines because they'd never be available in time to be useful. This silly line of reasoning fails on any number of topics, like 5G fear-mongering, GMO hysteria or the imbecility about aspartame causing cancer.

I would have said the same thing - that the article was a loud opinion followed by an info-dump they knew nobody would read, and that these clowns aren't the ones to listen to on this subject.

I think it's more mealy-mouthed marshmallow talk. I don't think it means much of anything. I think it's Trudeau just sort of saying stuff that he thinks sounds important, probably with a lot of stuff about what being Canadian is all about, and how "as Canadians" we are capable of blah blah blah.

and if you believe that, then you can convince yourself of literally anything. The world is lucky to have a truth-crusader like you here to save us from the pedophile cults and jewish-designed quantum computers that control everything now.

Because some of the subject material requires 7+ years of schooling to even be considered "literate" on a topic, and far more to be considered an expert. The idea that you could sit down and read through a molecular biology publication and form an intelligent opinion on its theories about a specific enzyme in the brain or something is laughable. Just like you wouldn't be form a proper argument on complex software coding alternatives without a programmer's background and training, you're literally not capable of forming an intelligent opinion on things like the metallurgical composition of experimental fusion reactors or the epidemiology of a virus. You don't understand the language or have even the basics covered, so you're really just fooling yourself.

What you consider objective and rational thinking on this subject is questionable, at best. The fallacy you're clinging to here is that we don't know what happens when we vaccinate people. It's the same sort of pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo as "I don't eat GMO's because it's unnatural and we don't know how it will affect us". Except we do know what happens - nothing. Aside from a freakishly small part of the population, nobody has side effects and it doesn't make you go sterile or control your brain or poison you. The central error in your reasoning is that smarter and better educated people than you, with backgrounds in medicine and exhaustive research and testing to go along with it, have not already asked the questions you're asking and been satisfied by the answers.