August1991

Moonbox, I don't think there were "two" world wars. To me, there was a tremendous time of trouble between 1914-1945. This period in European history should be seen as a whole, a single disaster. Without so-called WWI, there would be no WWII. This is how modern historians view the period between 1789-1815 (French Revolution/Napoleonic Wars) This is how students remember the Thirty Years War. (!618-1648 - the Swedes intervened in 1630.) No one remembers the Swedes in the Thirty Years War anymore than someone in 2341 will remember that America got involved in WWII. ===== At present, in the 2020s, I fear that our current elite/smart guys/bureaucrats/elected officials are f*cking this up In 1890, and in 1780 - the cataclysm was avoidable.

Shibboleth. Or, who plays third base for the Dodgers?

People talk of ego. Trump has ego - as if Carter or Obama didn't. But few people speak of ambition. I have been in such rooms; some people with ego and other people with ambition. ==== I have to thank Freud for this word "ego" to mean self-importance. existence.

Returning to my OP, if Trump is elected in November 2024 - and he's another Hitler - should Canada remain part of NATO?

Let me repeat. This current conflict is NOT like the 1930s. If anything, it is like the Balkan Wars. Or maybe the Crimean War. Despite what Bill O'Reilly, Anne Applebaum and Lindsay Graham say, we are not facing Hitler. ===== Since 1991, we need a new structure of peace - or as Trudeau Snr wld say, on a besoin de contrepoids.

Around the world, many ordinary people saw this debate. In America, trust me, you Americans have a political system that is uncertain - but stable.

As a Canadian (no dog in this fight), I have noted the same.

Agreed. At issue is whether the Democrats change their nominee.

Jim Coutts, and Robert Kaplan. === I reckon that Church was like Coutts.

I was looking for the name, equivalent. Dalton Camp! Je suis vieux.

In the 1990s, it was easy to travel. See one another. We could talk to one another - the Internet existed! But since 2001, it is harder to travel. More checks. And since 2020, it is hard to travel, hard to talk.

In summer 1914, an elite - politicians/diplomats/bureaucrats/military guys f*cked things up. For the next 30 years, from 1914-1945, ordinary people.... ===== I fear that our current "elite" is about to do the same for us - in the 2020s.

Tear down this wall! Around the world, we ordinary people want you politicians to agree.

Putin flew to Saigon. IMHO, it is a show for locals - Biden is doing the same. ======= As in the 1910s, our elite is leading us into disaster.

True. But you miss the point that many Newfoundlanders have never understood. An idea is one thing, Bring it to market another. ==== You van catch a cod fish. Can you sell it?

Obvious AI.

You are correct. But in the past, we Canadians were willing to cross lines.

What strikes me about Canada is Montreal. Like Lemberg, it is a city of two languages. Unilingual people who get along.

On a flight, I remember a guy (male) removing his finger ring before arrival. ==== In the STM, I recently stood beside a male with tattoos on his forehead.

In 1976, Carter was an outsider. Imagine his situation on the stage with Ford Now, imagine Trump.

Other people die. Suffer US bombs and hardware. And this is good for your country? Your reputation? ===== In various ways, Kennedy, Nixon, Reagan defeated the Soviets. For the good of us all. What is happening now in the 2020s has a potential for disaster, like 1914.

About 20% of the population is woke. (I happen to agree with this idea of "woke" - diversity, inclusion, equality.) About 20% is MAGA. (I am not American - but I admire its Constitution. I think America should be great.) ===== In 1964 and 1972, Goldwater and McGovern got about 40% of the vote. ===== With this debate, many Americans took a red pill.

Clueless. By your logic (and Biden's), Americans should be building and dropping the bombs in the middle of the ocean. As long as the money stays in America.

Returning to my OP: If Trump is elected in November 2024, should we remain part of NATO?

You miss my point. In the debate last night, Biden stated that the money was going to America.