Alta4ever

I can't find any poll since then.

It would show were the true middle ground is in this country for GDP and government service.

The last poll on western separation that was done showed 40%+ support in Alberta for separation. Again I wonder why polling firms seem reluctant to broach this issue in Alberta.

No I don't hate to admit it, ont should have the same representation per person as any other province. The Problem was trudeaus deals with the constitution, seats can't be moved the government can only be grown. We need an elected body that has the same per person representation across this country as well as a body that that is elected and has an equal regional representation to end this tyranny of a majority that we call the Canadian government. Although you know as well as I do when the Trudeau and the liberals reworked our constitution for 1982 they deliberately made sure the power base in Canada would forever remain in Ont. and Quebec. This is the same as in 1905 when it was decided to not have one large province in the west but to split up Alberta and Saskatchewan as it had the possibility to become to large an economic and political entity to rival central canadas political and economic power we are now divided under two governments and easier to marginalize. The same old same old regional politics of Canada

You would be surprised, Alberta is tired of being stepped on by you and your type. Why do you think Morton was elevated to the Finance position, you do realize that another equalization battle is brewing since it has to be revisited in the next two years. It was to try an appease Albertans. Why do you think that the Wildrose has so much Firewall letter platform? There is a big fight brewing, but yet no pollsters want to breach this subject I wonder why? Why do you think Klien was so popular, you eastern creeps and bums ect. There is so much resentment in this province because of the treatment of it Western Alienation is not dead, but the province did give Harper the opportunity to attempt to change this, but the sentiment is going since people like you are still unwilling to listen. We even hear it in the enviornmental debate, Ontario and Quebec beat on us even though they are wrong. The City of Toronto puts 80,000 metric tons of C02 a year, the oilsands in Alberta half of that ( and yet we supply you and most of north America with energy), but don't let facts get in the way. You want our wealth, our resources to burn but none of the responsibility. So Waldo shove it, I doubt you have ever set foot in this province have no knowledge of it and really know little of its people and what drives them. So but out.

Yes because other areas of this country are over represented, although in 2014 Alberta will at least have a couple of more seats, if we are still in this country.

like I said it should be changed to the median.

http://www.fin.gc.ca/fedprov/eqp-eng.asp This doesn't have the formula but its how the programs works. It from the government not someones interpretation. Although most of this all could be fixed by changing one word from average to median.

A massive shift in Support where do you come up with this Crap, the liberals were polling at 27% not they are polling 30-31% where is the massive shift? The only massive shift I can see is the disappearing of nine points of conservative support to don't know/won't vote column. Take of your rose colored glasses and look at the reality, not what you want to see. You post the poll the asks the question of Canadians do you want a federal election in the last two weeks that shows a majority for an election, and I'll eat my words.

I haven't seen a poll stating Canadians want an election, just because your guys are tied in opinion polls does not mean that an election is wanted by Canadians, just like when the tories were polling at 39% it did not translate into Canadians wanting an election. From Ignatieffs own mouth http://canuckpolitics.com/2010/01/08/ignatieff-and-haper-on-prorogation/

Not this year of 2010, they became a have not province. http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/419848

So if they were meaningless why didn't the opposition vote against them before. Why did they waste the time and resources of parliament by letting something pass they though was meaningless? The ball is in the oppositions court since they thought these bills important enough to pass first and in some cases second reading either let the motion to bring back the bills at the level of reading they have achieved pass or admit that they wasted resources by allowing them to pass first reading and vote down the motion. Although I imagine Harper will roll this motion into the speech from the throne making it a confidence motion and the opposition parties will either have to show their coalition cards again or go back to the polls. Which will beak Ignatieff's promise of no spring election. I suspect it would be an election since a coalition would require the support of three parties in a house of 4 which makes it by this nature very unstable.

I am opposed to taxation with out representation. Alberta is subject to the tyranny of majority of the east. The way this program is set up is the very expression and root of the frustration of that tyranny. If Alberta was asked to join Canada today I with this "deal" on the table I doubt it would. With only 28 members to vote against this or try to re negotiate a deal it will never change, and the recipient provinces totaling more then 3/4 of the seats in the house we are nothing but the slaves of confederation. The net contribution to Canada of Alberta per person ranges from year to year but it is always between 3000 to 5000. Even when Ontario was a have province it was the next closest and contributed around $1700 per person. BC when it was a have province was the next at about $800 per person. The rest of the provinces of Canada are net recipients, in others words all of their federal taxes come back to the province and then they get a share of what the net contributors pay. Per person Albertans carry more of the load of Canada then any other provincial jurisdiction yet have what amounts to no say on how any of this money is spend since they can be out voted by any other region in Canada. This really amounts to Taxation without meaningful representation, we need a EEE body in this country to counter the tyranny of majority we have now. This is why we feel like slaves to the ROC.

Even though I think that this move by Harper is ridiculous I do have to correct your ignorance. The Perogy amounts to 17 days missed of the house sitting, if they eliminate the break weeks this spring they gain back 15 of those days. Also all of those bills can be re introduced by a motion that would see them returned the same standing they had before the perogy. So the question is will the opposition pass that motion or will they stand in the way, which will mean that they have the decision to prevent those costs they are rallying against from occurring.

http://www.albertalocalnews.com/reddeeradvocate/opinion/It_is_time_to_re-think_its_equalization_payments_82623972.html Why is it if Quebec makes up 21% of GDP it takes the largest amount of equalization, while Alberta who contributes less to GDP according to you receives far less back. http://www.edmontonjournal.com/opinion/Making+equalization+equitable/2467233/story.html Have a look at the graphs here they illustrate what you are trying to talk about guy, but it does show that your math is wrong. http://communities.canada.com/calgaryherald/blogs/corbellareport/archive/2010/01/15/provincial-net-contributions-to-confederation.aspx

Funny the National Daycare program is listed in the 1993 Liberal Red Book.

Considering we have both parties talking points and putting forth their vision of Alberta and are able to judge the leadership of both party leaders yes we can see what a liberal or NDP government would look like in this province. It would not be pretty.

13 years wasn't long enough to deliver?

It will solve alot more then the liberals or NDP could ever hope or want to do typically they create more problems.

Or is they know something that you don`t?

King Byng affair, although it was not successful.

The problem was that we elected people who couldn't say no, they turned on the tap and let it flow. After the debt was paid off, they didn't have a vision, no reason to govern, except to govern, no vision no dream. They just spun their tires. They did move to the centre, and then kept going to the left. When the leadership race race happened, instead of requiring that people hold a membership for so long in the party to have voting rights they opened it up to everyone, which ment liberal and NDPers were picking the conservative leader not the pc's. It is very much there fault for drifting to the left and leading us back into this mess. They were forgiven once under Getty, but Ed his legacy will be the end of the PC dynasty. Just like a recession is a market correction, so to will this recession be the Alberta correction of moving the government back to the centre right.

There is no interest to take it federal. Its focused strictly on provincial politics.

How so alberta's government is the biggest and most centralized in Canada, that doesn't make them centerist that puts them solidly on the left. Ed campaigned on liberal party platform when he went for the leadership. He even has go to land slide annie for advice. You would not find much difference between the Stelmach PC's and the Doer NDP's.

Seems to be a lot more tin foil around here lately.