Alta4ever

Were are the denied requests for informaton from the conservatives? According to the CPC they complied with all requests, again no response on that from elections Canada.

He did give you the link to the procedures manual check it out.

Your country is a society of people that have built through the legacy of our ancestors, so are you not proud of what your ancestors created, maybe thats why liberals seek the degradation of society, they know nothing of our history and what we as a Canadian society stand for.

It looks like Elections Canada may not have followed its own procedures. http://stevejanke.com/archives/260920.php

It’s the conservatives affidavit that they sought the advice from both third party legal counsel and elections canada. Elections Canada has not denied or disputed it. If the CPC could not prove their case they never would have disputed or be taking elections canada to court. It is now up to elections canada to prove what they did is legal and have the right to change their intriptation of the elections finance law after the fact.

Yes lets not forget that part because it is key, that is why the CPC is taking Elections Canada to court, PLEASE SEE IF YOU CAN GET THIS RIGHT THE CPC IS THE PLAINTIF, AND ELECTIONS CANADA IS THE DEFENDANT. THE CPC went to both elections canada and a thrid party laywer to find out if what they were going to do was legal, both said it was. Now someone at elections canada has a problem with it and didn't send out election refunds. It is Elections Canada that has to defend what it did not the conservatives. The raid was a witch hunt all documentrs pertaining to the campaign had already been filed with elections canada, but election canada went and even rated documents for the up coming election platform and strategy, why would they need these.

They never got any money back that is why the conservatives are taking EC to court or are you so daft you don't get that!

Just like cadman, and the Nafta gate, give it up, you've got nothing the liberals have got nothing, they just thouwing as much shit as possible hoping some will stick. The desperation of the liberals is starting to show.

Again I ask do you have anything besides accusations from the peanut gallery?

The CPC never stole anything. That was the fraudulent actions librals who stole taxpayer money, the CPC has been accused of spending too much party money in an election.

Source? Who is leblanc? Who can't creat documents photo shop scanner and done, doesn't say that it happened, wait for the courts. Do you have proof or just alligations and acusations?

Charged for what, they had independant legal opinion, the had legal opinion from Elections Canada, now that elections canada wants to change the opinion you think they should be charged? What if a new government was elected in and said that all the deductions on the taxes you paid last year are now not admissable, they reasses you send you a $5000 bill for the now outstanding taxes, then charged you with tax evasion, what would you think? This is nothing but a whole lot of nothing, those who want the tories deposed are screaming won't even listen long enough for the court case to see how the law is really going to intript this. What is really funny is that it those rightous people that brought us adscam tring to paint the tories with the same brush that they were painted with trying to say look look they do it to so you can elect us back in.

Why an RCMP investigation? Won't the court case vindicate them?

What forged documents the EC has said nothing about this, all the arguement has been over is how it was billed. Why did it take a judge from another city to sign the warrant, or could it be that they needed to go "shopping".

Total bunk, this was explained to you once already, it is not food grade grain fed into the bio industry, it is the very low grade stuff not fit for human consumption. The remander of the seed left over from the process can still be used for animal feed.

Maybe it works for the densly populated areas around toronto, but it will not work here. There is not the population base to be able to pay for it, or to make it worth while. I can tell you that I will not be biking 3 hours to work everyday. The situtation really changes once you get outside of urbanized Ontario

Yes I am dening it the feed stock into ethanol plants are low grade grains, ones that do not go to human consumption. But its obvious you know nothing of the farm industry.There is no such thing as an indirect subsidy so what else is it suppose to mean? You said it here, they did once endorse bio fuels, and pushed for their use, noiw that they have changed their minds doesn't reslove the problem they created. That didn't really work for you in 97 did it? I am very familiar with the Winnoeg and interlake region, I spend many summers with my grandparents there.Look i don't care how virtuous you think you are by being part of Ducks unlimited, heck I go to their fundraiser auction and take part every year, so what. You are deflecting. The liberals of the world have created this problem by tring to support and enviromentalist bio fuel policy and a cheap food policy as one directly effects the other. Now that you realize that your avocacy has caused the problem you try to spin the blame to conservatives of the world. Now that bio fuel has been shown for what it is you try to deflect and talk about marsh land but the effect to the cheap food policy is the same only now you have to feed a bio fuel industry as well. (if you cut this off then the liberals would scream bloody murder because the people in the bio fuel industry would loose their jobs) Now I ask you do you want cheap food or more marsh land, because your going to have to choose.

"QUOTE(jdobbin @ Apr 23 2008, 01:56 PM) In the mean time, farmers continue to grow food for fuel using taxpayers money and causing food inflation." Where did the push come from it sure didn't come from the parties themselves as they all have been reactionary to the Al Gores of the world but these who have pushed the hardest are eco socialists, up until they acually looked at the science. Haper gave the country what the people they wanted. So how did you get from swamp land to lakes? I have never seen a lake drained to make farm land. IN fact last year most of the swamps around here that had been attempted to be drained fill back up with water, I guess mother nature really had the last say. How much of the added spending went to a badly neglected military, that was sent by a liberal government to fight a war that it was at that time ill equiped to fight? Maybe we should ask PM and JC where all the funds from the EI ledger book disappeared to.

So you admit you were wrong about farmers growing crops on the tax payers dime? Do you deny that it was the left wing environmental activists that pushed for more bio fuel production? Now you are advocating less farm land, but that will decrease production which will in turn mean less food production, which will increase the price of food stuffs which you are also against. I see you also think that only conservatives should be concerned with saving. Your post implies that you think that conservatives should work hard to put money away so the liberals of the can take it when they need it. Nice

What more were they searching for they have the returns they are filed eith them, all the information to decide who is on side or not is found in those returns. The warrant was nothing but a witch hunt.

So if they already have the financial returns, all the receipts are there, what are they looking for. BTW this isn't murder.

If you have the evidence why do you need the warrant?

I think you have that backwards, they got a serach warrant to go on a witch hunt. All they did was convince a judge to give them a warrant on alligations. If they had the evidence they wouldn't have needed the search warrant.

The subsities are not going to the farmer you have said it here yourself. It was addressed until the left walked in with the AGW scam, think back who pushed for the ethanol solution. As always the liberals of the world make the mess and the small c conservatives have to clean it up.

No Elections Canada officials refused to send refunds to those Edas in question based on their intpritation, then the Conservative party sued for those funds, then Elections Canada steped in on its own to seize documents pertaining to the suit against them. The Independant auditors did not bring elections canada into it, it was soley elections canada employees.