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Joe, Pat and Billo and their "everybody's stupid but them" attitude is working, as carefully strategized. I would love to sit next to them in the bar.

U.S. elections are decided by U.S. media, who are just unofficial contractors for the U.S. Gov't. They're still playing the tape, over and over again. Joe Scarborough has become a raving lunatic on this subject. Pat (shrill) Buchanan is doing the same. Indoctrination at it's best. The media is currently guilting out the super delegates hour after hour, to ensure that they don't decide on Obama. The subtle or not really so subtle mantra is, "If you vote for Obama, you are unpatriotic". U.S. patriotism is devine and any realistic self critizism is viewed as treason. Everybody will wake up from the fog on the morning after the election and say "My God, we've got McCain, what the hell happened"? and "Gee, they must have rigged the voting machines".

Shady if your not a speech writer for a political candidate, you should be. Enjoyed the post too.

I live in a fairly isolated area which is close to isolated First Nation Reserves. I also work with and for First Nations people in an outreach and limited capacity. To divulge more than this could compromise my anonimity and I'm not prepared to do that.

The real problem is the Department of Indian Affairs. Their idea of assisting First Nations is to just throw money at the Bands and let them fend for themselves. There has been little to no training, mentoring or helping Band leaders to develop economic development. Nobody is teaching them financial management or accountability. This is not the case for all Bands everywhere, as some are very ingenious and successful. This is most prevalent for Bands in the outlying areas. If you have the time, I suggest you visit some of the Bands and conduct interviews with their members, if you haven't already. Have a chat with some of the Elders. You may find this rewarding and very informative. Before there can be overall success at self Governing, they need a lot more than a few mil deposited in the bank account. Good luck with your paper.

How about Monica Lewinski? She spent some of her time with Bill in the Oval office too.

God willing, it stays that way!

Thank you Shady. I just posted it over there and I kept your handle out of it and I didn't claim it as my own either.

Oh Shady, can I swipe this and post it on another forum where I also hang out? There has been an uproar there this past week and this would just fit the bill.

My sentiments exactly. The world has gone to hell in a handbasket!

I agree. I would like to think that if he does not win, it will have nothing to do with race and ignorance.

He was interviewed on Fox on Friday re this Wright nonsense. I doubt he has any fears, just using good judgment.

OK...where is the fear that Hillary might implement things in favour of women? I know that she is fully aware that American women didn't get the vote until after African American men. And as a woman, I also know that she would harbour some resentment regarding the history of gender bias. I would even take a guess that she supported the activities of Gloria Steinham in the 60's. Yes, she had to distance herself from her recently too, but I bet they still chat on the phone. Wonder what they could be plotting up? Hmmmm....

Anyhow, back to the thread subject... Hard to judge a man til you've walked a mile in his shoes. I can relate if Obama has some resentments regarding the history of African Americans. Everybody packs around resentments towards something or other in life. You can live with your spouse for years and harbour horrible resentments, doesn't mean your going to plot her/his demise. True, you may spend a good deal of time fantasizing about it. But there is one body of folks you would have to deal with, the law. Same thing for Obama. He will have congress to deal with if he has any intentions of "changing" things in favour of African Americans which would appear to be threatening to the rest of the population. He is but one African American man, unlike Bush/Cheney who had a host of many other's who were more than willing to back up their wisdom.

Fox would never allow a strong, hard hitting liberal to sit in with Hannity. Hannity's ego couldn't handle it.

I don't believe he holds the same beliefs as the pastor, at least not in the way they were delivered by the pastor. I would be more concerned if he just ditched his old friend of many years, as so many other disengenuous politicians do, merely on the demand of the press. He is loyal, has given his testaments as to not agreeing and is remaining a friend to someone he obviously loves. That bodes well with me. C'mon, Obama's an intelligent academic. Do you really think he believes that aids was spread to rid the world of black people?

The gist of the message that Wright sermonizes is somewhat true, albeit his delivery leaves a lot to be desired. Too provactive, far too angry and laced with fanatical "hell and damnation". Obama's ideology is not really much different. Wright's sermon has just been been sifted and shaped by Obama (and Clinton to a degree) and delivered in a way that the masses can accepted as a reasonable need for "change". I think most of us have people in our lives who we admire but who's ideology is expressed in a way in which their own anger and bitterness is all mixed in, but we "get it". Sift out the emotional aspect of where they may be coming from and their basic ideology is not much different than our own.

Yes, the bashing he took in the media, was taken at face value by me. I did not have the same interest then, in American politics that I have now, thanks to Bush/Cheney. It did seem absurd to make such a big deal of it. He didn't come across to me as crazed, just over exuberant and slightly innapropriate, nothing more.

Well I don't know about that. They toasted Howard Dean in the 2004 run, for yelling "yes" a little too vociferously. Doesn't take much to tip the voters, apparently.

Sure "dear", we'll all get right on it.

Oh, I didn't know that part. I was just watching a documentary on the whole sordid mess and they were saying that he has been doing the call girl thing for years though. So why would they have not caught on to his bank account shenanigans before? I still think they have known for a very long time too and they turned a blind eye until they needed a reason to bring him down. Which, in my mind, is where he belongs. There must be many of these high rollers doing this and how are they paying for it? What method are they using? They must be on the right side of somebody.

So they linked the account number with Spitzer. When discovering who it belonged to, wouldn't you think that they would just move on? He could probably spend those $5000 withdrawals on fueling up his vehicle and other stuff, for a weekend camping trip with his family. They were looking for something to get him on and they hit paydirt. Then they bugged the call girl outfit that they already knew existed. It is just too ridiculous to think that somebody like him would be investigated for such small transactions. He had many enemies. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what else transpires with this weird story.

They only do that when your in a position of power and Wall Street hates your guts. Investigating a $15,000 bank transaction for someone of his financial ilk...hmmmm.

Yes, you are right here BC. I will say though, that Canada's involvement in these wars was not entirely based on a blatent pack of lies, just for oil.

When Canada doesn't play ball with the U.S. they slap unreasonable tarifs on our exports, lumber, beef, etc. Free Trade? Ya sure!! I reside in a community that relies solely on logging and I witnessed first hand, the negative impact this had on the citizens in our communities here. That is just a teensy weensy example as to why I watch closely. Even though we've suffered, I've never yet spoken to a Canadian, in my neck of the woods, who has any regrets about our Government taking a stand to stay out of Iraq. I guess up here, the lives of young men and women, as well as the individual freedom that other nations wish to maintain for themselves, is more important to us, than it is to some Americans.