kuzadd

Unfortunate attitude.

i never said it put me off. but that was your intention, sir. Either all races can have groups, or they can't Kuzadd. Decide. NAACP or no. It would not insult me in the least, for as far as you know I could be black. You seem to have trouble understanding very basic arguments and take the meaning implied as something else. What I meant was that it seemed as if you were saying that because you assumed it would upset me. Do you understand, Kuzadd? actually jefferiah, I could say the same of you, unfortunately for you, I do understand, basic arguments, and I see, that you are trying, not very cleverly to twist the arguement into another direction. You have glossed over numerous points I have made, virtually denied history, put words in my mouth, I never espoused. This is not discussing anything. In closing, there is but one race, the human race. Any differences are but superficial. You can take a blood transfusion from a person of colour, love and marry, that person, because we are all one race. That is all there is to this. Your arguement wrt NAACP is bogus, because it denies a long history of the oppression of people of colour by 'white' racist individuals, which necessitated the formation of such groups as a means to empower themselves in the face of oppression. Therefore no oppression, no necessity for said groups. and that takes care of what is essentially a foolish arguement.

i never said it put me off. but that was your intention, sir. Either all races can have groups, or they can't Kuzadd. Decide. NAACP or no. jefferiah "If you did not assume I was white supremacist kuzadd you would not have tried to put me off with a comment about how my ancestors were black-" those are your exact words. as long as there is racism and division, there will be 'groups', so unless people have a huge attitude change, there will be, groups of the oppressed banding together to empower themselves. as stated simple cause and effect.

M Dancer, I agree with you on the culture, it is important, but it , also is constantly in flux. Just like human genetics.

Thank you for glossing over my entire post. and continuing to demonstrate pure unadulterated nonsense. "You cant lump white people in with all white people because of history" if you would have bothered to read what was in my previous post, the above nonsense, would not have even been typed. I stand by what I said previously and you ignored, to continue on in this foolish vein. "If you did not assume I was white supremacist kuzadd you would not have tried to put me off with a comment about how my ancestors were black-which doesnt work." why would that put you off??? It doesn't put me off in the least. if that is how it is, oh well!

Correct, jefferiah, no where at all did I accuse scottsa of plotting genocide, I did not make that accusation, at all. reread everything I posted. and please show me where I accused scottsa of "plotting genocide".

Kuzadd this is an interesting post because I think it begins to reflect more and more what you dont understand about what I am trying to say, and this is a good thing because it will help me see where I need to explain it differently. Read carefully what I am saying here. First off, you keep making the assumption that I am a white supremacist. Yes caucasians and asians are people, but for all practical purposes the idea of race is beneficial. The green and red apple are both apples, but if you ask me to hand you that apple, and I say which one the green or the red-----well dont you see where I am going with this. No one is implying the superiority of one apple over another. Your post may reflect a racist idea that you are harbouring. You say these groups are necessary because "white" people are typically supremacists. Therefore it is ok for other races to make groups but not for whites because "WHITES ARE ALL RACIST PIGS", right? That is a stereotype. I assume by that last comment that you think I would be offended if my ancestors were black, which once again shows you are not understanding most of what I am saying. My ancestors may have been black, I really have no idea whether they were or not. How do you know I am not black? What difference would it make if I was---a rational argument is a rational argument? I would still say I see nothing wrong with Scott wanting to marry a white woman. By the way I would like to point out to you, that even though I mentioned the NAACP, it was you and your crowd who condemned them. Do you understand why? jefferiah: you make way to many assumptions. "First off, you keep making the assumption that I am a white supremacist. " actually, you ASSUME,I am, If I wanted to say that about yoyu I would have. Since I didn't don't assume you know what I think. "Your post may reflect a racist idea that you are harbouring. You say these groups are necessary because "white" people are typically supremacists. Therefore it is ok for other races to make groups but not for whites because "WHITES ARE ALL RACIST PIGS", right? That is a stereotype. more twisted baloney ( see I just say it) what I said was here's what I wrote verbatim: "The association for coloured people is only NECESSARY because "white" people, have demonstrated, as here, a typical racism,a white supremecy, which they have used to oppress people of colour." I am quite clear, these associations for coloured people, became necessary, because "white" people have demonstrated a racist streak, stemming from a belief in white superiority. This is a simple FACT OF HISTORY, DO YOU DENY THIS? Shall we go over the whole black slavery issue, blacks as second class citizens, kukluxklan etc., These are undeniable instances of white people demonstrating an alleged superiority because of the colour of ones skin. So while I am not promulgating the theory of "all whites are racist pigs", as you so foolishly and irrationally espouse, the simple fact is the historical facts are there, to back up the contention I have made. again ""The association for coloured people is only NECESSARY because "white" people, have demonstrated, as here, a typical racism,a white supremecy, which they have used to oppress people of colour." If you wish to have a rational discourse, keep to the facts and history and your sensationalist claptrap out of it. Your comments wrt scottsa, are pointless, he can marry whomever he wants, and I would hope, the criteria for that is love, committment, shared values, common goals and not skin colour.

It shouldn't make you laugh, I couldn't understand why it would. Look at the US trumping up the 'war on terror", to use as a guise to justify there relevancy, it is pathetic. The disruption that the US is continuing to cause in the ME, is showing up in the form of increased resentment and hostility throughout Europe. Europe will get sick of this nonsense. Europe will work out it's issues with the Arab world. Thereby solving US interference. Russia will happily supply Europe with oil and natural gas. China is very quickly becoming the biggest economy in the world, thanks in no small part to US capitalist class.(already in 3rd place) never mind India! America sits isolated and irrelevant across the ocean.

Well, let's take a look at how poor Kuzzad is oppressed here. 5 minutes ago I got a warning to stop "belittling people", with a specific reference to a post in which I told kuzzad to "shutup." Why did I tell him to shutup? Well, because he said this to me in the previous post: "In a nutshell, it is necessary for people such as scottsa, to believe, this nonsense, so when the "THEMS" are being killed scottsa, can feel ok with that." So I am warned for telling Kuzzad to "shutup", although apparently it's just peachy for him to accuse me of plotting genocide. Go figure. scottsa: I did not accuse you of "plotting genocide". How preposterous, really and dramatic. I was merely using you to demonstrate an archetype, there was actually no need to tell me to "shut-up" and then continue on with your insults. I do hope you understand the concept of archetype? In the quotation I said, it is "necessary for people SUCH AS scottsa" in my opinion you are the archetype for a specific type of person that holds a specific belief, that I can use as a reference to make my point wrt: why the types of beliefs , such as yours are held. It is unfortunate you chose to represent such an archetype, particularily one , you appear to feel insulted? for being associated with, but, that is what you CHOOSE to demonstrate, repeatedly on this forum, is it not?

I agree completely with the premise the US as an empire is in it's death throes. It is not anti-americanism it is simple fact. The very fact that the US had to trump up the 'war on terror', to maintain relevance in the world is indicative of this. The fact that the US runs roughshod, over weak, unarmed countries to make a show of it's relevance is also indicative of this. The fact that the US is so desperate to control ME oil, to have the ability to TRY and control other countries and their economies (Europe and China) is indicative of the last gasp attempt to maintain relevancy in a world, in which it has become clear, to many American leaders, that the US is less and less relevant. As Eurasia, China, and the EU, work towards a more practical, cooperative state of being, which they will and are, as the US knows, the US becomes increasingly isolated and irrelevant. Therefore, the US , is at it's most dangerous, making it's last desperate grasp for power, it is failing.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articl...91_FORTUNE5.htm Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) said Tuesday it will test sales in some stores of biblical action figures whose makers say they are aimed at Christian parents who prefer their children play with Samson, David or Noah rather than with a comic book character or Bratz doll. Wal-Mart spokeswoman Melissa O'Brien said the toys made by One2believe, a Valencia, Calif., company, will be offered in 425 of Wal-Mart's 3,376 discount stores and Supercenters. One2believe Chief Executive David Socha said his products were part of a " battle for the toy box" with dolls and figures that he said carry negative messages. "If you're very religious, it's a battle for your children's minds and what they're playing with and pretending. There are remakes out there of Satan and evil things," Socha said. Wal-Mart's O'Brien said the Bentonville, Ark.-based retailer believes there is demand for faith-based toys. The toy line will be on some Wal-Mart shelves starting in August, mainly in the Midwest and South but also in California and as far northeast as Pennsylvania, O'Brien said. "It is a test. It's not a national rollout," O'Brien said. The toys, based on biblical stories, include a 3-inch figure of Daniel in the lion's den, a 12-inch talking Jesus doll and 13-inch Samson action figure. Wal-Mart has always carried some faith products, mainly stationery, books and music, but this is the first line of toys with a faith theme, O'Brien said. "I think there is an interest in faith-based toys and we are testing it in our stores," O'Brien said. gotta get them young'uns brainwashed, yes sireee bob!

Remind me not to ever ask you to go grocery shopping for me. I happen to prefer green apples, and like people to be able to pick them out. And yes, all humans are members of "the human race", or more correctly, the human species. That doesn't mean that subcategories within the human species cannot exist. Wether you prefer a green apple to a red apple, does that make the red apple, NOT an apple? The obvious answer is........... of course it doesn't.

Oh shutup. oh shutup????? my oh my! What exactly do you expect when you come out with sophomoric nonsense like that? And here's a hint: make sure you're smart enough to mock people; otherwise it just makes you look stupid. You ain't looking very smart right now... You don't seem to 'get' the rather obvious fact that you can try to hide race between all kinds of rocks, and conceptualize it away, and convince yourself that there is no such thing as race, but when you're all done playing emperor's clothes...there sits the fact of race, completely unchanged in spite of your allegedly mental gymnastics. I wonder what colour your ancestors will be in a thousand years? You do realize we are always evolving as we have evolved in the past? Will that make them any less members of the ONE human race? BTW scottsa, personal attack noted. On my worst day, I am confident I am smarter, more educated and better read then yourself, take note of that, ok? Absolutely 100% confident of that!

You folks are very quick to chatter, and call racism to anything disagreeing with your restricted perspective. I did post a topic a while back on “blondes” and was looking for a consistency on the maintenance of their success. Well, it is obvious they are, how to say the least, denied to be genius. Well, it is a personal thing to be a Caucasian I gather. To recap we want an ancestry that produces a symmetry that reaches as far as to the wit. ? RB, Kuzadd, anyone else who does not believe in race. You are using the non-existence of race as your logic by which to condemn ScottSA for wanting to marry a white woman, or Kimmy. If it is a horrible crime which warrants your bellyaching about it, then by the same logic you must also bellyache of over the existence of National Association for The Advancement of Colored People. By attempting to advance the lives of colored people this organization is indirectly making the admission that they believe there are colored people and that the colored people are "US". Kuzadd, this is a prime example of an Us and Them mentality, and so you should not limit your condemnation to Scott and Kimmy. Be ambitious and get all the people who form a group based around the idea of race or color of skin. The Asian American Association. These people must have some definition of what an Asian is. Go get em Kuzadd. Go get em RB. They are creating division in the one race. scottsa can marry whomever he wants, i do not care, discreditting the whole nonsensical arguement you have put forth wrt the existence of only one race. The association for coloured people is only NECESSARY because "white" people, have demonstrated as here, a typical racism,a white supremecy, which they have used to oppress people of colour. Had 'white' people initially treated people of colour as thier equal , which they are, 'white' people would not have oppressed people of colour and the NECESSITY for these groups to be in place, would likely never have arose. Simple cause and effect. BTW jefferiah, your ancestors were black!

Oh shutup. oh shutup????? my oh my! http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...can-origin.html We are solely children of Africa—with no Neandertals or island-dwelling "hobbits" in our family tree, according to a new study. Scientists who compared the skulls and DNA of human remains from around the world say their results point to modern humans (Homo sapiens) having a single origin in Africa. In the past, experts have also argued a "multiregional" theory, which held that Homo sapiens arose from different human populations in different areas of the world. "The origin of anatomically modern humans has been the focus of much-heated debate," lead author Manica said. oh, dear, oh dear, were we all once a different colour? gasp! was scottsa's great, great, great,great,great ,great, etc., etc.,........ grandmother a coloured woman? oh and scottsa, you telling me to shutup, fails to live up to your own signature.

Bonam: wether it is red, yellow or green, it is still an apple. Wether a human has black or white or olive,skin or brown or green or blue, or hazel eyes, or one blue eye, whatever, we are ALL members of the human RACE, that is ONE RACE! That is all there is. How else could we choose to LABEL human, are brown eyes a different race then blue eyes?, are green eyes a different race then blue eyes? Are large breasted women a different race then small breasted women?? Or how about a woman with a large breast and a small breast ?? ;-) How stupid can this get? One race , the human race, that is all there is, there are minimal variations within that race, but there is only one race. Notice we can procreate with one another, all of us humans????? and have wonderfully healthy offspring. What this thread is inherently implying is that there is an US and a THEM. This makes the "US" feel seperate and superior to the the "THEM" Therefore it becomes easier for the 'US' to abuse and or kill the 'Them' as a means of justifying our alleged superiority. In a nutshell, it is necessary for people such as scottsa, to believe, this nonsense, so when the "THEMS" are being killed scottsa, can feel ok with that.

I am still waiting for a coherent story line that would explain how 9/11 could have been anything other than a terrorist attack. You are wasting your time with random factoids and inconsistencies. Without a coherent storyline you have no argument. As far as your hot fires - they are a red herrring since you have no proof that the fires were actually hotter than what one would expect for a hydrocarbon fire buried suddenly. You also have no way to prove that there weren't pockets of other materials that could have caused an endothermic reaction of some sort. Like your story on the battery room, ????? You have been so sadly mistaken so many times, it's border on hilarity, except you take yourself, so seriously. Your arguement "Without a coherent storyline" is my exact issue with the official 9/11 story, no coherent storyline, just 19 fringe character with boxcutters? run by a boogey man in a cave, on dialysis, thwarting the mighty US security capacity, Now that is Hilarious!!!! it;s like a comedy skit, ludicrous, lacking sensible coherence and credibility, but you eat it up!

I'll keep you informed scottsa, on the everychanging world outside of some sort of imaginary globe you appear to live on http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp...&story_id=41972 China overtakes Germany as world's third-largest economy eijing (dpa) - China has already overtaken Germany to become the world's third-largest economy and is likely to post more robust growth of about 11 per cent during the first half of 2007, a top regional economist said on Tuesday. China's estimated gross domestic product (GDP) passed that of Germany "probably a few months ago," leaving it behind only Japan and the United States, according to Stephen Green, senior economist at Standard Chartered bank in Shanghai. A survey released this month by researchers from the China Reform Foundation estimated the total "grey" income of urban residents at 75 per cent higher than the official figure, accounting for about 24 per cent of the nation's annual GDP, the Hong Kong-based Asia Times said. The government is expected to announce first-half GDP growth of about 11 per cent this week, after last week reporting an 84-per-cent increase year-on-year in its trade surplus to 112.5 billion dollars for January to June. etc., etc., Goldman Sachs will be incorrect, it won't be 2050, it will be before that, China will be the largest economy in the world, infact, I'll wager it is closer then you realize.

What virulent hatred from Islam, I never see any here, do you? au contraire? "I freely and often and quite loudly admit to being entirely anti-Muslim. I'm surprised you missed that. In fact, I may take out a billboard advertising my anti-Islamic sentiments" scottsa? http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index....opic=9345&st=45 I wonder if these types of statements qualify? Perhaps the moderators should be concerned about the fact that, they could be held culpable, for allowing these statements? Just a thought.

Thereby, it blows the race arguement out of the water, by your own admission. You wrote because" by that logic not only can we no longer distinguish between caucasians as being caucasian, black as being black" We can't distinguish, except for some environmental responses that evolved through time, get it yet? Coloured skin, a response to sun exposure, the blood disorder I cited, common amongst people, who orignate around the mediterranean region, black, white & olive skin. If you needed a transfusion, would you take blood from a person of colour? Of course you would , cause it's the same as yours. in fact, we are so very nearly genetically indistinguishable from apes, that they can be transfused with our blood, in all likelihood. bye bye bogus race arguement.

actually scottsa, it degrades your arguement. Only in that it show how foolish your arguement is. There is extremely little difference, genetically speaking between human race and apes (approx 2%) There is no difference really except for environmental response evolutions, expressing themselves genetically. Therefore it makes it very hard to argue that race does exist,to quote you. "because there is very little difference between races."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...ICS01/707180319 "The crowds he's drawing across the country are often an unusual mix of 20- and 30-something lefties and righties. Some are drawn to his beliefs. But many said that they admire him most for sticking to a clear set of principles, even if they disagree on some issues. "He's consistent," said Jennifer Reilly, a 23-year-old student at the College of Southern Nevada who attended a recent rally here. "I actually believe everything he says." Thus Paul has become the early surprise of the 2008 campaign. Beyond the consistency, he is filling a void in a Republican field dominated by mainstream candidates who are reluctant to break ranks with President Bush. He's the only Republican who opposes the war in Iraq. ("We just marched in. We can just march out.") Paul describes himself as a strict constitutionalist, but his views can be traced to the late Barry Goldwater, the 1964 GOP presidential nominee and father of the modern conservative movement. As Paul puts it: "Freedom is popular." I'll bet no one is more surprised then the republicans!

I don't know where the 6 percent variation between human dna came from but it is patently incorrect. Apes do not even have more then a 2 percent variation between there genes and ours. A 6 percent genetic differential between humans is not correct. Any variations between humans are evolved responses to environment. They are then passed genetically on to there offspring. An example of this is, the blood disorder Thalasemia:Thalassemia is an inherited blood disorder that causes mild or severe anemia (uh-NEE-me-uh). The anemia is due to reduced hemoglobin (HEE-muh-glow-bin) and fewer red blood cells than normal. vhttp://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/94/26/14736 Thalassemia protects children against disease caused by other infections as well as malaria Thalassemia, though now passed on genetically, evolved as a protection against malaria, an environmental response to a geographic location.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID...11683414B7F0000 Scientists Identify Gene Difference Between Humans and Chimps The DNA sequences of humans and chimpanzees are 98 percent identical. Should apes have human rights? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6505691.stm "Apes are special because they are so closely related to us," says Mr Redmond. "Chimpanzees and bonobos are our joint closest living relatives, differing by only one per cent of DNA - so close we could accept a blood transfusion or a kidney. Gorillas are next, then orang-utans. Gene Separates Early Humans From the Apes" http://abcnews.go.com/wire/SciTech/reuters20020826_393.html It may help influence how viruses and bacteria infect cells, and with how cancer cells interact, Varki said. "There are some clues that it might have something to do with brain plasticity," he added. Humans and chimps share more than 98 percent of their DNA,

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national...90d11cb&k=37859 OTTAWA - The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal on Tuesday fined an Ottawa man $4,000 and ordered him to stop using the Internet to spread hatred. The ruling by Anthanasios Hadjis found Bobby James Wilkinson had re-posted messages written by others on a "Canadian Nazi Party" website that he created and administered. The messages, says the ruling, are likely to expose members of targeted groups - including Blacks, Jews, Asians, homosexuals, Arabs and Latin Americans - to hatred or contempt. Some incited violence against targeted groups, including genocide. "It does not matter whether Mr. Wilkinson actually authored some of the hate messages," the decision concludes. "It was ultimately he who decided to post this material on the message board." It's the first time someone from the national capital has been the subject of a tribunal decision on Internet hate. Little is known about Wilkinson. Tuesday's ruling describes him as "a relatively young person of modest means." He did not attend the tribunal's hearing last February and could not be reached on Tuesday. Evidence at the hearing indicated Wilkinson operated the web forum from the basement of his grandfather's house in late 2003. Ezboard, the U.S. company that hosted the forum, shut the site down in January 2004 for violating its "no hate speech" provisions. The complaint against Wilkinson was filed in December 2003 by Richard Warman, an Ottawa lawyer who has mounted a one-man crusade against Internet hatred.