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What do you expect? Who else are we supposed to answer here...except you and Drea! So far you both are the only ones supporting the same silly notion on this topic. If this is your way of trying to grab attention to yourself, I'd say you're doing a darn good job. I guess between you and Drea....you seem to have managed to get top billing. "What do you expect? Who else are we supposed to answer here...except you and Drea! " Actually there were others participating in the discussion , but, your lovefest for me just got to be too much, for everyone, cause other posters are not as smitten with me as you, American woman and whitedoors obviously are! thanks again dahlin' Cause I am ADORED, clearly, look the topic is the death throes of the American empire and, OMG, little me, has now become even more discussed. You guys LOVE ME, YOU REALLY LOVE ME. I LUV YOU ALL ALSO. envision me blowing kisses, to my adoring fans xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

figleaf!!!!!! while I understand your postion, and have had some pm's from other's wrt exactly that which you talk about. "You just can't help but resort to insults. But that's great since you're just the sort of poster Greg seems to want to keep around here." take a good look around this place. Rather then discuss a topic, you get reams of "poster discussion" Inc one referring to my husbands "balls" but hey that poster is still here, so it is indicative, of what is acceptable. Never mind the rampant racism, inc. comments on white supremecy, promoting hatred via billboard, and a lengthy discussion on preserving the "white race" as if there is any such thing as different races, but I digress, a great deal....sorry for that. Curious, have you found another forum? If you don't wish to say here, you can p.m. me, I would most appreciate it! thanks! BTW: there's a saying "don't let the b*st*rds drag you down" come back with a vengence! it's my motto, along with Marilyn Manson lyrics, which did have poor sharkman in a tizzy.

interestingly?! in 2006 http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/...utto/index.html Wanted notice for Benazir Bhutto CNN) -- Interpol issued international wanted persons notices Thursday for Benazir Bhutto, Pakistan's former prime minister, and her husband. The international police agency said it issued red notices for Bhutto -- prime minister in the late 1980s and early 1990s -- and her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, at the request of Pakistan, where the two are wanted on corruption charges. "Basically, there is a case going on in Geneva, a case of money laundering, it's in that connection, and there are several other cases pending in the Pakistani courts, so that is why." A red notice "is notification that a bona fide arrest warrant exists for an individual suspected of committing a crime, or convicted by a court, in any of Interpol's 184 member countries," according to Interpol.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foreignaffa...2130101,00.html I thought for a while now something has been not right between the UA and it's best ally. I first noticed it, when western media was referring to Mushareff in negative terms as opposed to positive, approx 4-6 mos ago. I remember thinking what's up with that? Gone was Bush's best friend and ally, to , him actually being called a military dictator. The winds of change were blowing. All that has changed. A chill has descended over "Mush and Bush", as the Pakistan press dubbed the US-Pakistan axis. "Behind the back-slaps and bonhomie, a plot is afoot to remove the current military leaders and revive an old Pakistani dynasty: regime change minus the shock and awe (and especially without the loss of thousands of lives). The aim - unchanged by the events at the mosque - is to restore democracy to Pakistan and reinstall Benazir Bhutto, the exiled scion of the country's most famous ruling family. It all began three years ago, on June 20 2004, at a low-profile dinner in Blackburn where Bhutto, then 51, was meeting old political friends. Many of the Lancashire town's 7,000-strong Pakistani population were historically Bhutto supporters, but the mood was glum, as she recalls. Pakistan had recently been readmitted to the Commonwealth after being suspended when Musharraf seized control. And, four days earlier, President Bush had named the Islamic republic as a major non-Nato ally, making Bhutto's hopes of returning slimmer than ever." "In early 2005, Bhutto was invited back to the Foreign Office. "The talk was of a post-Musharraf world," one of Bhutto's inner-circle says. "What London feared was chaos," a Foreign Office spokeswoman says. "What everyone wanted was a smooth transition, from Musharraf to something sustainable, preferably democratic. Bhutto had a chance of winning an election if that day came." "By now the Americans were on track and Musharraf at last agreed to hold a poll. It was to be staged after November 2007, when the National Assembly's term ran out. But he insisted that Bhutto and Sharif should not to be allowed to return until after the election. Prospective PPP parliamentary candidates began finding envelopes containing bullets left in their cars or on their desks - similar intimidatory tactics had been used in the previous election." "As direct contact was established between the US and Bhutto, the newly appointed US assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asian affairs, Richard Boucher, urged her not to encourage PPP supporters to take to the streets in protest, as they had done on previous occasions. The PPP agreed. Over a series of meetings, Boucher made clear that the US would not be dealing with Sharif, whom they blamed for putting Pakistan at risk of nuclear war with India in a conflagration over Kashmir that flared up just a few months after both countries tested nuclear weapons."

Interesting article in the Financial Times http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e3dd78ec-3872-11dc...00779e2340.html Traders ask how low can the dollar go By Michael Mackenzie in New York Published: July 22 2007 17:54 | Last updated: July 22 2007 17:54 How long before the dollar hits $1.40 to the euro? That is the question many analysts are asking after a week when the US currency struck a new low of $1.3843 to the euro and fresh multiyear lows against a range of currencies, including sterling. The US currency has fallen 4.5 per cent against the euro this year and 4 per cent against sterling, hitting a new 26-year nadir against the pound last week. The trade-weighted dollar index dropped to its lowest since 1992. The dollar exchange rate is important because the US relies on hefty foreign purchases of securities and other assets to fund its current account deficit. “At some point, the fall in the dollar will translate into foreign investors no longer buying US assets and selling their existing holdings,” said William Strazzullo, chief market strategist at BellCurve Trading. this is the ,"lifestyle gift", the world extends the US, I was referring to in this statement. "Further to that, the entire American economy (hence your lifestyle, your wars etc.,) is financed by other countries, who are SO FAR holding on to the decreasing in value treasury bills denominated in American dollars. This will not go on forever." Official silence on the dollar’s woes also extends to Hank Paulson, US Treasury secretary. “You get the sense the administration wants a weaker dollar,” said Mr Strazzullo. A US economy growing more slowly than global rivals and interest rates rising outside the US while domestic rates remain on hold explain much of the dollar’s weakness. The greenback is also suffering anxiety over US credit and mortgage markets. how dare the financial times put that in print, eh?

Look, he's warned me on some stuff, but on balance both he and Greg are good moderators. To quote the Rolling Stones "you can't always get what you want, but if you try some time you just might find you get what you need". "Look," OK boss! I wasn't complaining, merely commenting on all the comments, throughout this posting, wrt Mr. Anthony and then jokin' around. Did you read through, I did? You like the Stones?! Wanna have some fun quoting lyrics, particularily Stones lyrics, LOVE'EM! hang on......one of my faves Salt of the Earth Lets drink to the hard working people Lets drink to the lowly of birth Raise your glass to the good and the evil Lets drink to the salt of the earth Say a prayer for the common foot soldier Spare a thought for his back breaking work Say a prayer for his wife and his children Who burn the fires and who still till the earth there was this great Stones concert, in which GnR got up and did this with the Stones, excellent!

Betsey and whitedoors, flattering me. Well what can I say , all press is good press! But you do both talk so much about me, and OMG, this thread isn't about me. Golly Gee willikers! Amazing, do either of you want an autograph? Cause obviously both of you are obsessed with me. kuzadd, this and kuzadd that. oh the adulation xoxoxoxoxoxoxooxoxoxoxoxo darlins'

Charles Anthony, I am not really that familiar with your postings and opinions, sorry 'bout that. One comment, Charles Anthony, "you just can't win". To left, too opinionated, to anti-conservative,to this, to that. You will know doubt, annoy everyone , but hey, good luck to you! Your gonna need all the well wishing you can get. So take my good wishes, before you annoy me!

No, it's not OK. The topic is actually "new american empire death throws (sic)". The Old American Empire is just fine. Who died and left you Queen? Tell us again about the "irrelevant" United States that you can't get enough of in your rambling posts. LOL! ouch, touched a nerve, I guess.

jazzer, one doesn't need to be not christian to call hypocrite, it only takes common sense. One apparently has to be "christian" to be unable to see the hypocrisy. Though the hypocrisy is obvious, in the actions of these religious leaders, or at least ,should be? Religious leaders, are just that , leaders, and they preach , they are constantly preaching morality, appropriate behaviour,passing judgement, etc., and then they turn around and lie, cheat, commit adultery, steal, do drugs etc., It is hypocrisy through and through, perhaps some poster don't understand hypocrisy, what it means, what it is?? In an act of hypocrisy the aim is to condemn another person or people, not to condemn an act. To preach against an act of which one is oneself guilty does not in itself constitute hypocrisy, even if one takes efforts to conceal one's behaviour. It becomes hypocrisy when it involves verbal attacks or demands of punishment against perpetrators of the act that one practices oneself. Hypocrisy can be, simply put, the pot calling the kettle black. In psychology, hypocritical behavior is closely related to the fundamental attribution error: individuals are more likely to explain their own actions by their environment, yet they attribute the actions of others to 'innate characteristics', thus leading towards judging others while justifying ones' own actions. Also, some people genuinely fail to recognize that they have character faults which they condemn in others. This is called Psychological projection. This is Self-deception rather than deliberate deception of other people. People understand vices which they are struggling to overcome or have overcome in the past. Efforts to get other people to overcome such vices may be sincere. There may be an element of hypocrisy as well if the actors do not readily admit how far they are or have been subject to these vices How do these Ministers, priests, etc., actions relate to the defintions above? How do the actions of the posters, who went off on their rants, relate to these defintions? it could get interesting jazzer!

Well, if any country would know what irrelevance feels like, it would certainly be Canada. Irrelevance experts at your service. PM Harper is trying to change that, eh? actually I would say Harper is making Canada an even more irrelevant country then it is! BTW, BC, the topic is the American Empire death throes, can you manage to stay on topic? I did. I know it's difficult to do, what with your tendency to run off topic regularily, but, try, ok?

actually it's not inconsistent, when someone or something or some country is a big pain, or a danger, what happens to that country, that nuisance. Nobody likes or wants a nuisance around, stirring the pot. So again the rest of the world will rid itself, of the nuisance, and the US, is helping it along, by making as big of a nuisance of itself as possible. THEREFORE: "People will demand change of there own governments, in dealing with the threat the US poses, thereby the US is the master of it's own irrelevance and isolation" Further to that, the entire American economy (hence your lifestyle, your wars etc.,) is financed by other countries, who are SO FAR holding on to the decreasing in value treasury bills denominated in American dollars. This will not go on forever. It will not hurt other countries near as much as it will hurt America. Eventually the ball will drop. When? IMO? It's already on! Take a look outside your country, look at the war in iraq , the war in Afghanistan, the rise of Russia, Venezuela flippin' your country "the bird". So to speak. Face it, already, the irrelevance is present and growing! First you say we are irrelevant. Or so it would seem. But then you say you didn't say we are irrelevant yet, but will be soon. Then when I ask when that will be, you say it's going on now; that the "irrelevance is present" now. I give up. I guess we must be irrelevant and I just can't tell the difference from when we were relevant. Here's the thing. I couldn't care less if we're relevant or not, but evidently you care a great deal. Hard to figure why you'd be so happy with China being more relevant than we are, for example. Well, not really all that hard. I gotta say, a beautiful manipulative job, in the post! Bravo! Do you ASSUME I care a great deal, YUP! This is a discussion forum, I expressed a point of view based on readings, information and observation. You make a number of assumptions in order to demonize me for an opinion. It isn't about what I care about, it is how things are, and how things are changing. "Hard to figure why you'd be so happy with China being more relevant than we are " why do you assume I would be? You stated you don't "read into people's posts" yet here you are doing exactly that, all so you can twist things around and try to demonize me for expressing an opinion. The simple fact is as the US becomes more irrelevant and China becomes more relevant, wether on it's own or in alliance with other countries, life goes on!

Let he without sin cast the first stone. That's presupposing we're all Chrisitians. I'll cite moral hypocricy whenever I see it, especially where religious leaders are concerned. They ARE held to a higher standard. do you notice jazzer, that rather then discuss the topic at hand, and pursue an honest discussion with the FACTS, I stated , they lodge a number of personal attacks. The signs of the weakness are obvious and blatant!

look at the answer I already posted above, it's right there. I guess, you are not in the habit of reading posts, never mind reading into them? ""Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday." . actually it's not inconsistent, when someone or something or some country is a big pain, or a danger, what happens to that country, that nuisance. Nobody likes or wants a nuisance around, stirring the pot. So again the rest of the world will rid itself, of the nuisance, and the US, is helping it along, by making as big of a nuisance of itself as possible. THEREFORE: "People will demand change of there own governments, in dealing with the threat the US poses, thereby the US is the master of it's own irrelevance and isolation" Further to that, the entire American economy (hence your lifestyle, your wars etc.,) is financed by other countries, who are SO FAR holding on to the decreasing in value treasury bills denominated in American dollars. This will not go on forever. It will not hurt other countries near as much as it will hurt America. Eventually the ball will drop. When? IMO? It's already on! Take a look outside your country, look at the war in iraq , the war in Afghanistan, the rise of Russia, Venezuela flippin' your country "the bird". So to speak. Face it, already, the irrelevance is present and growing! editted to add: In the lead up to the iraq war, no matter how much bribery and spying the US did on UN countries, the US couldn't get approval for the attack. Your country was recently again getting the reject , wrt Kosovo. Oil is being traded in denominations other then American. All kinds of stuff going on , on the globe.

Great...China will manage to do what Henry Ford did almost 100 years ago. I wonder how that moon landing program is going after having almost 40 years to figure out how the Americans did it. Henry Ford didn't decimate the American Auto workers, or the industry He employed them and grew the industry in the US. But then what some more unemployment and loss of good paying jobs, eh?

God almighty, I notice a sex obsession amongst posters, must be all that religion, making them oppress there sexuality as human beings, military might as penis size, talk about "strokin the ego" wowee! and Betsy reference to my spouses' "balls" I guess that self enforced repression for their religion has to come out somehow??

Oh no....China is poised to become the greatest and most powerful nation on earth...soon...real soon....did I mention that it would be soon?. Never mind the lung choking pollution, heavy metal water, or peasants spitting in the street. It is paradise on earth compared to the wicked and evil USA. LOL! Wanna buy some cheap copies of American software or DVDs? how about some very inexpensive automobiles? Soon to hit the US market, possibly as early as next year. and for UNDER $10,000 dollars, some article I read, as low as $7,000 http://www.cleveland.com/autonews/plaindea...2820.xml&coll=2 Chrysler to bring Chinese cars to U.S. showrooms Thursday, July 05, 2007 Sholnn Freeman Washington Post Chery Automobile, a feisty newcomer to global carmaking, is on the verge of becoming the first Chinese company to crack the U.S. auto market. On Tuesday, DaimlerChrysler said it finalized a deal with Chery and the Chinese government to export small cars made by Chery to the United States and Western Europe. The deal, a broad framework for strategic cooperation, was signed Wednesday at a ceremony in Beijing. Chery cars will be sold under the Chrysler, Jeep or Dodge brand and are expected to go on sale in the next few years. Chery - essentially a state- owned enterprise with strong backing from local and central government - was created in 1997 to help the economy of Wuhu, a city about 150 miles west of Shanghai. The company is viewed as a rebel in the Chinese auto industry. Chery constructed its first assembly line in secret, violating Chinese law. Its biggest competitive advantage is that it excels at manufacturing small, fuel-efficient vehicles at low cost. Chery sold a little more than 300,000 cars last year - roughly the output of one large U.S. assembly plant. But like other Chinese automakers, Chery has long dreamed of a presence in the United States, the world's largest and most lucrative car market. At the same time, the Chinese government has aggressively supported the expansion of its automakers. Its goal is for Chinese cars to make up 10 percent of the world's auto trade in the next decade. Chery's efforts to break into the United States have proven troublesome. Two years ago, it announced it had teamed with Malcolm Bricklin, a veteran auto entrepreneur, to sell 250,000 cars here by this year. That deal fell apart. Chery's move to break into the U.S. market follows the successful efforts of a number of Japanese and South Korean automakers over the past three decades. After years of exporting cars for sale in the United States, those pioneers built auto plants throughout the country. From that base, their U.S. sales expanded sharply.

As has already been pointed out, there was no "soon" in your statement. I quoted you. I'll quote you again: "America sits isolated and irrelevant across the ocean." Perhaps my "tunnel vision" is missing the word "soon," but I'm guessing it's not there. But please let me know how soon this isolation and irrelevance will be taking place since you obviously have information that I'm lacking; and please don't take offense, but I'd appreciate some evidence to support your claim. Evidence that can be sourced with links. I'm thinking it'll be a real relief to become isolated and irrelevant, though, because once we are, I'm sure we'll no longer be hated and/or the target of terrorist attacks. So how soon can we relax as a nation? Inquiring minds want to know. here in it's entirety, is what I said, it should be obvious to anyone who can read, I am referring to the future Look at the US trumping up the 'war on terror", to use as a guise to justify there relevancy, it is pathetic.(present time) The disruption that the US is continuing to cause in the ME, is showing up in the form of increased resentment and hostility throughout Europe.(present time) Europe will get sick of this nonsense. Europe will work out it's issues with the Arab world. Thereby solving US interference. in the future, as it is not the case in the present Russia will happily supply Europe with oil and natural gas. as is already somewhat the case China is very quickly becoming the biggest economy in the world, thanks in no small part to US capitalist class.(already in 3rd place) ongoing never mind India!ongoing therefore, I'll put it in though IMO, it was inferred quite clearly America sits isolated and irrelevant across the ocean. If I needed to make it clearer, the fault is mine for not clarifying it, and also for assuming people can follow, based on the order of the statements, and general knowledge. America's isolation and irrelevance is already on the rise. Take a look around, read some news outside of American press. as recent as July 2007 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/70046760-27f0-11dc...0b5df10621.html Europeans see US as threat to peace By Daniel Dombey and Stanley Pignal in London Published: July 1 2007 18:09 | Last updated: July 1 2007 18:09 Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability, a new poll reveals on Monday. People will demand change of there own governments, in dealing with the threat the US poses, thereby the US is the master of it's own irrlevance and isolation going back to 2003 http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/1031-Poll.html Poll: Israel and US Biggest Threats to World Peace now how much longer do you think the world is going to put up with the strife emanating from the US?? Also I provided you with an interesting interview and a couple of books if you are so inclined to read, give 'em a go. Therefore do not postulate, you were not provided with links, or reasoning to back up an opinion.

did you actually read what I wrote? did you see the question mark? "Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion? There seems to be quite a few nasty preachers out and about, quite a few. So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???" are there stereotypes wrt religious people being liars, cheaters, cavorting with hookers??? Not to my knowledge? Isn't the steretype wrt religious persons as being pious, helpful, and beneficial?? Are you actually denying the FACTS of this minister for one, pedophile priests, by the thousands, likely. Is this minister the only cheating , lying , hooker loving minister? Far from it! recently we have had... Rev. Ted Haggard http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.a...ions/index.html Church forces out Haggard for 'sexually immoral conduct' then there was Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggart, Paul Crouch. http://www.trinityfi.org/press/latimes03.html A former worker at TBN threatened to disclose an alleged 1996 homosexual encounter. Reprinted from the Los Angeles Times September 12, 2004. By William Lobdell Times Staff Writer Televangelist Paul Crouch, founder of the world's largest Christian broadcasting network, has waged a fierce legal battle to prevent a former employee from publicizing allegations that he and Crouch had a sexual encounter eight years ago. Rev. Henry J. Lyons http://www.sptimes.com/News2/lyons/default.html cheater, swindler, etc., All the recent news about Catholic church payouts, etc., etc., etc., so I will pose the questions again. "Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and numerous others, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion? So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???" OR? Does the ability to hide behind the piousness of there religion, give them a free-hand to be deviant, or dysfunctional??

are you for real? I never worried about "rebelling against my parents", do you? The only sensitive spot you have hit is your own bias, and narrow stereotypical thinking. You seem to relish in hitting it over and over, narrow stereotypical thinking. With another stereotype the rebelling teenager, they don't all do it, ya know? Oh never mind. Anyway back to topic, a question for you sharkman, what with a prevelance, of this kind of stuff amongst 'christians' hookers, male and female both, pedophiles, lying, fraud, drug addicts. Thinking of this do you think dysfunctional persons are attracted to chrisitianity , in this case, and use it as a front, to show a 'christian' public face, and behave badly, while hiding behind there religion? There seems to be quite a few nasty preachers out and about, quite a few. So, does chrisitanity attract deviant, dysfunctional people, who can then hide behind religion???

Unfortunate attitude. Really? Perhaps you'd be so kind as to point out what's so unfortunate about it. Unless I believe the U.S. is isolated and irrelevant, I have the wrong attitude? Is that it? Give me a break. Anyone who knows anything about what's going on in the world right now knows the U.S. isn't isolated and irrelevant. I read through this thread and see that we're the most hated nation on earth, while at the same time we are isolated and irrelevant. And I have an unfortunate attitude because that makes me laugh? Think what you will about America, but it's not isolated and irrelevant. Far from it. So I will continue to at your claim that it is. But clearly, and obviously you did not read what I said. I said America will soon SOON,I did not say is, I said soon find itself isolated and irrelevant, sooner then your apparent tunnel vision will ever allow you to realize. actually by time you realize , the irrelevance will be complete.

" So this means we better throw out christianity I guess, eh?. " did I say that anywhere, at all???? Nope! 'and must be pushing 40 or older listening to Marilyn Manson for? " does age dictate musical listening habits? "How is it that an educated 40 something year old can groove to an artist whose groupies are mostly made up of bitter kids rebelling against their parents with the type of music they listen to?" Does age dictate musical listening habits? do you dictate 'shoulds' and 'should nots' by stereotypical standards? Does it concern you that I used a quotation of a Manson lyric? Exactly what's your issue, with that? You did not say to throw out Christianity and I did not say you did. But you frequently deride Christianity, I'm sure an educated 40 something yr old has the life skills to be able to think critically and put 2 and 2 together without someone spelling out each dot that is to be connected. Or not. Yes, age does tend to dictate musical listening habits. For one reason, as one grows out of the teenage years one can discover their previous musical tastes to be shallow and poor examples of the music industries' efforts to free us of our babysitting money. Or not. But hey, listen to whatever turns your crank. "age does tend to dictate musical listening habits" thank-you for demonstrating perfectly stereotypical thinking! You have a stereotype "older persons should not listen to "young peoples" music. stereotype! Reality: Anyone can listen to any music they so choose. it's called personal preference. Personal preference trumps stereotypes

Then what is the point of the topic? She meant it "archtipically" perhaps? Do you mean, I meant it as an archetype? Interesting....let's get into some deep metaphysical thought here, what archetype could this reference? scottsa?

Then what is the point of the topic? Does there have to be a point? maybe,general interest? how about humour? bringing attention to? taking note of? etc., etc., can you accept that? Is that enough points? shall I list more? BTW: what is the point of asking me, what is the point?

Well not limited to just products but "services" also, and support for "campaigns"., etc., "What is wrong with that Kuzadd? " Did I say there was something wrong with that? One is left wondering why you think that? all I said , was the christian industrial complex at it's pinnacle, perhaps though it isn't there yet, who knows maybe there will be more, plastic figurines, more fundraisers, and more "campaigns of outrage" to stir the christians zealots and take there money!!!!! wrt: "You are right about Christmas being a division point among Christians" I never said anything about that, refer to the author of the said piece, where that is from, then lecture the author. Why would you infer I said that? Are you so caught up in twisting words around to use to your advantage that you are willing to attribute statements to me, I never made? I believe the writer was Warren Smith, perhaps you can present your "case" to him??