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Any group who staged such a hoax would have to be pretty intelligent. Intelligent people would not risk everything on a completely convoluted plot similar to what we saw on 9/11. Intelligent people with any experience planning projects would have minimized the number of variables and the number of people involved. This means they would have limited the attack to one or two planes and they would not have bothered with risking discovery by planting explosives in three buildings. Anyone with the ability to plant explosives in building undetected would not need to blow up buildings to destroy evidence. They would have many other more reliable ways to accomplish the same thing.If you opened your mind you would realize how completely irrational the thruthie theories are. convoluted plot? limited to one or two planes? this just doesn't make sense.....at all. Looked to me like a good plot. Executed and targets hit, how is that convoluted? apparently that hit on the Pentagon was quite the maneuver? Why limit to one or two planes, why not ten??? it's like you are pulling numbers out of a hat? But then riverwind, who does not understand, lateral load, redundancy, how things are built, history, etc., what else could be expected??? And who makes up his/her own arguements? Like I said. one doesn't need bombs in the buildings to question the official story, which when presented with info, you DID NOT read it, not the links, because, "see no evil" . Well where is the CONCRETE EVIDENCE wrt 9/11/ where the "paper" that Colin Powell was going to give us? The evidence presented to the British wrt OBL involvement, was not good enough to go to ICC, but it was good enough to go to war? The transcript from the one plane, does it PROVE, WHO the hijackers actually were, or just that there were hijackers (I'll explain rw, it only demonstrates that there were, it DOES NOT demonstrate identity) http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm link to fbi site, do you see anywhere OBL being wanted for 9/11???? On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?” Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11.” I asked, “How does that work?” Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. No evidence. and yet , Afghanistan was attacked!? To get OBL? For a crime he is not even wanted for ??? LOL!!!!!!!

Agreed...they want us to believe that the same administration they label as dysfunctional and incompetent was able to flawlessly execute the biggest conspiracy in US history after only eight months in office, while totally discounting prior attacks on American interests. The "Truthies" want anything but the "truth", because it would spoil the game. They claim that the "official story" is just another conspiracy theory, hoping to elevate their own twisted yarns in the public eye. The US government doesn't have all the answers, but the Truthies sure do....yahoooooo! sorry, I DO NOT believe the Bush administration is dysfunctional or incompetent. There is a big assumption that throws your whole theory to the wind! I disagree, it is actually the followers of the OFFICIAL CONSPIRACY THEORY, that do not want the truth, they are quite happy, with there nonsensical myth of the caves in Afghanistan run by OBL, who BTW is not even wanted for 9/11. Hijackers, whom BTW, no CONCRETE EVIDENCE, was ever shown, who they actually were. reams of documents unreleased and an underfunded 'investigation' by a wacked out idealogue, are supposed to suffice. Au contraire the US gov. has the answers, and they aren't saying. Sorry BC, 9/11 served US private and gov int. inc.,but not limited to the justification to attack Afghanistan, governed by the Taliban, whom the Us supported and funded, until the oil pipeline deal fell through, given US , policy WRT oil, this was unaceptable. Are you denying that? That would be completely non-credible.

So what? There are historical precedents for governments setting up secret death camps. Does that mean we should believe that FEMA has secret death camps today?There is not one shred of CONCLUSIVE evidence that show that 9/11 was a government inpired plot. More importantly, there is no rational story arc that would explain why a government plot would unfold the way things did on 9/11. oh Riverwind! the ultimate in " I say it is so, therefore it is so" LOL. non-credible as always. read anything I posted? Nope. Why? Your mind is so closed, you are out of your leagues here, way out! Does it mean we should believe it? not necessarily BUT, we sure as heck should be vigilant, and aware of the possibility, and if the signs show themselves that authoritarianism is on the rise, we need to get proactive to prevent 'death camps' as an example. There are numerous precedents for 9/11 type events. Does that mean we should NOT question , when something like that happens? That we should just accept? NO! it means we had better question it ,because no darn good ever came of the other 9/11 type events. Your a "good german", Seig heil! You know what the "good german" is??? go look it up and learn something today!

You have no facts...just unproven allegations. Your own rhetoric is your undoing...the US (and "the west") didn't need no steenkin' 9/11 to control resources and interests. Or was the world so much different before 9/11/2001? Try again. In God We Trust...all others bring data. funny! But bogus! The US needed lies(false attack) to attack Vietnam, lies for (threat of attack)Nicaraugua,more lies for Panama, more lies for the Cold War, shall I go on. I can, but, you already know this stuff, don't you? The US(west) did need 9/11 to control resources, especially in light of the scale the US (west) wanted to control the resources. Multiple invasions, country after country. For yrs and yrs and yrs and yrs. That requires alot of the populace, after all they are losing their kids, their boys and girls,husbands and wives, their tax dollars, they have to BELIEVE, it's for a reason, a heroic reason, (So they have to be manipulated to be on board.). The people always have to be on board as acknowledged, as demonstrated, as history shows, not just American history either. "Cause it works the same , in any country.............. Give me a break! It is your own rhetoric that is your undoing! Your rhetoric, doesn't change the facts, or history! You starting to believe the rhetoric? Your letting me down. Dam I liked your cynicism! Or are you playing to the naive 'polyannas' here?

Then spell it out....don't just suggest.....unless your assertions are so weak as to not support such an allegation. Talk is cheap.....where is your proof of full participation & knowledge? Hiding behind the "US" to cloak your own nation's interests? You like to tell others to read books....read "Dark Threats and White Knights". I spelled it out, and could have gone further, did you read it all? inc links? doubtful? But then I don't think you need to anyway. I don't need to hide behind the "US" if you notice I cite, western interests in brackets, but, too bad the US is the "leader of the pack" But don't change the topic. The fact is the US(western interests) had the motive, the means ,and was going to benefit from 9/11, in so many ways. UNDENIABLE FACTS. come on BC, OIL is the US's "interest" going way back, an interest they will, and they say so quite explicity, the will control, by all means. BTW: I checked out the book. Unfortunately I am working on "Puppetmasters" at this time, then it is on to "After the Empire" The breakdown of the American order, by Emmanuel Todd, then it is on to a book by Helen Caldicott "The New Nuclear Danger" . So I am booked up at this time on my reading! In case you haven't noticed, I am an avid reader, et tu ?

This is the whole crux of this argument. And you summed it up just nicely. ...and it is still a logical fallacy. Taking advantage of a "terrorist act" to enhance existing foreign policy objectives does not prove government complicity in the attack. This goes into the same category as FDR orchestrating the aJapanese attack on Pearl Harbor....now which Empire and Commonwealth would benefit from that? Ergo....Canada was complicit in the attack on Pearl Harbor. Silly, eh? I'm not suggesting " taking advantage." I'm suggesting full participation & knowledge. No"logical fallacy" necessary US (western) history ,foreign policy, inc. Full spectrum dominance, US/British oil interests, the regular use of "terrorists" by the west to advance western foreign policy, all speak for themselves. Even you CANNOT deny that, unless one is a polyanna, and you are not.

I would not say that. Many reasonable people question how much the government really knew before the attacks and many more people are absolutely disgusted with the way the Bush regime manipulated the event to justify the pointless invasion of Iraq. However, these people all agree that 4 planes were hijacked by arab terrorists and 3 of these planes crashed into buildings and one crashed into a field. They also agree that there were no explosives in the towers and their collapse was a result of massive structural damage combined with large fires.Anyone who starts talking about missles, controlled demolitions and dissappearing planes has joined the tin foil hat brigade. BC chick is correct, everyone who questions garners the derogatory name calling, sorry to say riverwind, if you think you are intelligent, you should not lower yourself to this discourse. You demean yourself, by doing so. Name calling is the resort of the weak. Let's have a review........................ Historically: Afghanistan: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/west_asia/36735.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm http://www.john-loftus.com/enron3.asp "A captured Al Qaida document reveals that US energy companies were secretly negotiating with the Taliban to build a pipeline. The document was obtained by the FBI but was not allowed to be shared with other agencies in order to protect Enron. Multiple sources confirm that American law enforcement agencies were deliberately kept in the dark and systematically prevented from connecting the dots before 9/11 in order to aid Enron’s secret and immoral Taliban negotiations." http://www.atimes.com/c-asia/CK20Ag01.html They affirm that until August,(2001) the US government saw the Taliban regime "as a source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia" from the rich oilfields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. Until now, says the book, "the oil and gas reserves of Central Asia have been controlled by Russia. The Bush government wanted to change all that." But, confronted with Taliban's refusal to accept US conditions, "this rationale of energy security changed into a military one", the authors claim. "At one moment during the negotiations, the US representatives told the Taliban, 'either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs,'" Brisard said in an interview in Paris. and then Sept 11th happened, giving the US the very thing they wanted, to bury the Taliban "under a carpet of bombs" isn't it amazing that AlQuaeda, that western created/funded/infiltrated group gve the US , the very stuff of their dreams? THIS IS NOT A COINCIDENCE (capitalized for emphasis) 1.looking back to the PNAC documents, an influential group of neo-cons who lobbied for America remaining the global leader. In order to preserve American military global preeminence something "catastrophic and catalyzing" would be needed. Then lo and behold, the stuff of their dreams comes true? (9/11) The US had made clear there intent to invade Afghanistan, it was covered in the European press, PRIOR to 9/11. Then along comes the western created, fully co-opted AlQuaeda, to grant there wishes???This cannot be dismissed as coincidence. The Us's policy, ALWAYS wrt oil, and the domination of the ME, the need to control the regional resources for the benefit of US companies, also controlling the supply of oil, enabling the US to strangle other countries if necessary to maintain subservience, that is all part of the global domination strategy. It's always been US policy. Then.... 1.prior knowledge on the part of the Bush admin., there still is the...... 2.OBVIOUS standdown, you may dispute it, I do not, had basic standard operating procedure been followed as it ALWAYS HAD BEEN, prior to 9/11, the planes would not have hit their targets. There still is the FACT, that .... 3.AlQuaeda is a co-opted terrorist organization, created by western intelligence, fought to the benefit of the US against Russia, against Serbia, Alquaeda was used by MI6, to attempt assassinate Khaddafi (also a benefit to the west), now, AlQuaeda is in Africa, when the west is in an expansionist mode in Africa. These are not coincidences. 4. There are also numerous issues around the 9/11 commission, 5.. the Bush administrations refusal first of all to even have an investigation, 2then the severe underfunding of the commission, 6.the attempt at appointing Henry Kissinger, then finally 7.appointing the neo-con idealogue Phillip Zelikow. 8.Followed up by refusals to testify, withholding of documentation (if one looks at previous info posted we see the 9/11 families are still trying to get information, totally unacceptable) 9. the question of the anthrax attacks? (see Francis A. Boyle wrt excellent info) to the buildingsWTC ,all 3 of them:100's and 100's of reports of explosions, quite specific ones also(not looked into) had they been investigated alot of the speculation could have been dispelled. The molten metal, widely reported on (not even noted in the NIST report) I could go on, it's not necessary IMO. One canot help but see how 9/11 further benefitted the global domination of the US (west) over the ME, the resources (oil) for the benefit of western oil, geo-strategic dominance of the region, strangling Russia,(look at the miliatary bases and the recent announcement of the missile placement) controlling china, via resource management,etc. It looks like, it smells like global domination, under the guise of the "war on terror." therefore riverwind, one does not even need explosions in buildings to disbelieve the "official conspiracy theory" one needs history, an understanding of US foreign policy, a knowledge of oil interests, some understanding of geo-political strategy, and bingo! To NOT question 9/11 and the US govs. involvment is to be willfully blind.

So please explain to us what you think happened? Are you claiming that the US government hired a bunch of Arabs to kill themselves? If they did find those people then why would they bother to blow up the towers? Truthies like you seem to think that slinging around random factoids constitutes an argument. I have yet to see a coherent explaination from any thruthie that addresses all of the facts available. BTW I went and checked the 9/11 commission report and that did confirm that the passports were recovered at the WTC towers. However, your own link pointed out that the bodies of entire passangers were also found. That fact demonstrates that there is nothing unusual about finding the passports - if bodies could survive then so could passports. End of argument. Riverwind: I have maintained, I do not believe the official story. I have maintained based on numerous anomolies, a long history, of government fomented terrorism , etc, Anyone in their right mind should question the 9/11 story. Qui bono. Oh and I do believe there were hijackers, okay? That said, you self-create an arguement, out of thin air, and then you argue against it. You have done this numerous times, previously, If you wish to discuss, discuss based on what someone ACTUALLY says. Not what you say, someone says. comprende?

actually, you went there for the oil. The propoganda was to remove the regimes for the good of the people, that hasn't happened. But then it wasn't supposed to. "A measure of kindness" , how gracious.

Then why don't you acknowledge that Arab speaking terrorists were on those planes and that fact supports the widely accepted version? Lots of misinformation came out immediately after the event - he could have made mistake. Where are the follow up reports that confirm that this passport was indeed found? Is it mentioned in the 9/11 commission report? From this link: The fact that they found intact bodies is conveniently omitted from truthie sites and is yet another illustration of how unreliable those sites are.Please explain to me why finding an intact passport is hard to believe given the fact that they also found intact bodies? Or do you claim that that the stories about bodies are fakes? Nope, I don't claim anything, I already said, I leave that to you and the bush regime, to make nonsensical claims. Your the one who disputed the claim of the passport being found. Or made the claim it was made on a "truthie" website. Like I said, I leave the ridiculous claims to you. BTW: have I ever claimed there were no hijackers on planes? NOPE! You just keep reiterating the claim, like I did, could you show me where. provide a link and quotation please. Or stop putting words in my mouth. You Keep saying "truthie" over and over and over, your like a propagandist. gotta implant the propaganda, through repetition, that's what GWB said also. I'll wait for you to substantiate statements, you are falsely attributing to myself.

LOL, you assume. give me a break, I already knew what boxes had or hadn't been found, you just don't get it do you? I posted info wrt that. I don't claim anything, I leave that nonsense, to you and the Bush Junta. Hijacker's passport found in NYC http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/56945 Hijacker's passport found in NYC http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/200...s/17011253.html are those "truthie sites" ? lol The Passport alleged to have been found was reported by Bernie Kerik,on CNN, I posted Kerik speaking on it. Guiliani's right-hand man. Are you claiming he is a liar? Are you saying he made it up? .. What are you saying exactly wrt the passport at WTC????

http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20070618150700828 in the news... onday, June 18 2007 Jersey Girls Deliver Petitions, Request Support September 11th Advocates Regarding Declassification and Release of Documents June 18, 2007 The Public's Right to Know - Declassification and Release of Documents petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/july10/petition.html) surpassed 15,000 signatures. As promised, we have hand delivered it to lawmakers in Washington, DC. UPDATE Recently, during our meetings with lawmakers, we discussed the declassification and release of all transcripts and documents relating to the July 10, 2001 meeting that took place between former CIA Director George Tenet and then National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice, the redacted 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry Into The Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001 (JICI) and the CIA Inspector General’s report, “CIA Accountability With Respect To The 9/11 Attacks”, as mentioned in the Petition. Almost six years have passed since September 11, 2001, yet critical information continues to be withheld from the American public regarding the attacks. Included in this statement is an “Action Alert” and background information explaining the importance of transparency in our government. Since there is currently active legislation (Wyden-Bond Amendment attached to bill #S.4) regarding the CIA Inspector General’s Report, we decided, for the moment, to focus our attention on this particular document. After reviewing the evidence produced by the Joint Inquiry of Congress into the 9/11 Attacks, both Republican and Democratic Congressmen agreed that a CIA Inspector General review into individual responsibility was necessary. Faced with the facts, these Congressmen understood that accountability in the Intelligence Community was crucial. Their intent was that a final declassified CIA/IG report was to be released to the public and where deemed appropriate by the report, for personnel at all levels to be held accountable for any omission, commission, or failure to meet professional standards in regard to the events of September 11, 2001. Americans have the right to know that competent people are serving them in these strategic positions - our safety depends on it. questions, questions, questions

It's not just Americans, and it is not just Iraq. I needn't remind you of the Airborne Regiment's adventures in Somalia. Back in Texas, they had to fight for the right to sodomy! Oh here we go with the Somalia incident....which I am well aware of, as I am certain you know. Nope it's not just Americans, but it's MOSTLY Americans, and it isn't just Iraq, it's Afghanistan, it's Saudi Arabia, where the US props up the despotic regime, it's Africa, where, yah Canada, along with Australia, Britian and the US, is complicit, in the misery of the people living there. I mean completely complicit, where tyrants are given weapons to oppress the people, for diamonds, for oil. ( i mean AlQuaeda-Al-CIAduh rofl!) But Face it BC, America is the empire, the military might machine that keeps a rolling, and Canada and Australia, the lackeys in oppression and misery. They go along to get along. It's a good thing AlQuaeda has shown up, prior to the announcement of the Afri-com expansion eh? (That darn AlQuaeda , always there when the US needs'em!) Oh we've all been there, but, now with 'AlQuaeda' in the open in Africa, full spectrum dominance in the public domain can take please, all under the guise of the 'war on terror' Then we can have another 'free market miracle'

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070618/ts_nm/...l2bS9ZfRVDMWM0F WASHINGTON (Reuters) - so how is it, that any credible claim can be made of "freeing" these countries. How is it that any credible claim can be made that the unnecessary, unwarranted invasions made the lives of these people better? Despite all the money that has gone in to construct pipelines, and construct the oil infrastructure, where has the benefit been to the populace? We know big oil has benefitted greatly, and western corporations have also, but what of the people who live there? Worse off then ever. Who would have thought any differently, to be realistic? Mission Accomplished!

All of The former American guards of the prison accused of torture were returned to the U.S. some time ago. The woman guard accused of the worst Iraqi prisoner abuse certainly deserves to be referred to as a monster since it is the extreme feminists of the world usually wailing about the abuse-rape-assault of women by those misogynist men! Too funny. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...9/10/wirq10.xml the US runs Iraq, no matter, what puppet, is being puppeteered. The US trains the Iraqi police force, and more. what is "too funny", is how ok, you are with abuse, torture and rape as long as it's conducted by Americans? Actually it is too sick!

Why?...."that gang" came from "home" to begin with. Nothing we can't find in the US or Canada. Do you hold a special reverence for the rectum, or would assault of any kind be equally egregious? The alleged "coverup" is equally unremarkable. The "military" is the same as it ever was, with heroes and villians, and often the very same person. No, no special reverence for the rectum, it made me think of the 'religious right' and there concern with sodomy. How sodomizers are sinners. Maybe though it's ok to sodomize Iraqis, since that's "God's army" doing it. lol!

Agreed, but then the US can just let them wonder the streets. Half-out of their minds, like the vietnam vets. Agreed there was some sick stuff in the article. I chuckled and Donald Rumsfeld he didn't know anything?????

ROTFL. Thank you for proving that your claims are based on incomplete/incorrect information. The data recorders from United 93 were found and they do completely support the theory that Muslim hijackers took over that plane. Here is the final quotation from the cockpit voice recorder: A fragment of Jarrah's passport was also found in the wreckage.I am sure you will claim that the recordings were 'fakes'. If you do then you simply prove my other claim that finding the other recorders would have been a waste of time and money. as always you assume way too much! actually, lol, I provided you nothing! I asked you to tell me which blackboxes were found and if data was recovered from them or not. I wanted to clarify, with you. you know, because "you act smart" smarmy, it doesn't make you smart. The passport figleaf was referring too, was found at WTC totally intact, which , like the rest of Sept 11, is one heck of a coincidence. Sheerly amazing! Breaking the odds! rofl!

Can we at least attempt to keep this on some sort of a mature level? I posted two quotes, one showing that he supported the decrees against Salman Rushdie, the other where he stops short of condemning the actions of 9/11 and instead talks about the problems that the attacks will cause for his own community. If you had stopped the knee jerk you would have noticed that both support your assertion that he holds radical views that could be seen as justification for putting him on the "watch list." And I commend you for it. But I wasn't talking to you. If you go back and read the origins of that post, you'll find that I was talking to Kuzzad, who doesn't share your opinion and who was trying to whitewash Cat Stevens. No need to apologize. hey scottsa, was cat stevens charged? Nope! was he released and went on home Yup! so get over it, cause the US gov. clearlydid/ has.

Did you read all of the article? I was asking you if you were condoning the coverup? I also am impressed with the way the military treated him , for doing the job, they gave him to do. Another casualty of the imperial adventure in Iraq. I must say, those soldiers, are proficient at rape and have a real thing for sodomy. That's quite a recurring factor. Ah, but then, I guess that's how the west brings freedom and democracy, via rape torture, sodomy, putting multiple items in prisoners rectums right BC? I would be concerned when that gang comes home.

k: far to smart for that? nice judgement, so everyone who doesn't buy the official story is too stupid. rofl! I think anyone who doesn't question the official story, are the "not smart ones" Given an entire history of government nastiness( murder. genocide. imperial adventures) which leaves me wondering, what are you afraid of that you stoop to ridicule??

There were _four_ planes and some of the black boxes were recovered. There is a report of _one_ passport being found from 20 hijackers. Which plane did the passport come from? Were the boxes recovered from that particular plane? What other debris from the plane was recovered as well? You don't know the answer to any of these questions yet you engage in idle speculation about how finding a passport is 'fishy'. You are the one who is grasping at straws. were some of the blackboxes recovered riverwind? which ones? was any data recovered?

What more do you want/need to know? More photos perhaps? Accountability for that "liar" Rumsfeld? Yah a war crimes tribunal would be great! condoning the coverup? The great bringer of 'freedom and democracy' lol

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/06...h?currentPage=1 In January of 2006, Taguba received a telephone call from General Richard Cody, the Army’s Vice-Chief of Staff. “This is your Vice,” he told Taguba. “I need you to retire by January of 2007.” No pleasantries were exchanged, although the two generals had known each other for years, and, Taguba said, “He offered no reason.” (A spokesperson for Cody said, “Conversations regarding general officer management are considered private personnel discussions. General Cody has great respect for Major General Taguba as an officer, leader, and American patriot.”) “They always shoot the messenger,” Taguba told me. “To be accused of being overzealous and disloyal—that cuts deep into me. I was being ostracized for doing what I was asked to do.” Taguba went on, “There was no doubt in my mind that this stuff”—the explicit images—“was gravitating upward. It was standard operating procedure to assume that this had to go higher. The President had to be aware of this.” He said that Rumsfeld, his senior aides, and the high-ranking generals and admirals who stood with him as he misrepresented what he knew about Abu Ghraib had failed the nation. “From the moment a soldier enlists, we inculcate loyalty, duty, honor, integrity, and selfless service,” Taguba said. “And yet when we get to the senior-officer level we forget those values. I know that my peers in the Army will be mad at me for speaking out, but the fact is that we violated the laws of land warfare in Abu Ghraib. We violated the tenets of the Geneva Convention. We violated our own principles and we violated the core of our military values. The stress of combat is not an excuse, and I believe, even today, that those civilian and military leaders responsible should be held accountable.” ♦ this is a nine page report, on Taguba's report into the torture and abuse at Abu Ghraib, he did his job, and the "thanks" he got?? None! Rumsfeld , as always, the liar. This article makes clear IMO that the torture at Abu Ghraib, was worse and more extensive, then has been let on. Also has been much more covered up, then has been portrayed. " The officer concluded that the investigation “does not need to be reopened. Hell, even if we reopened it we wouldn’t get any more information than we already have.”

ah, the catholic church....my religion. born and raised. The catholic church has done zip, wrt child molestations, except cover-up. A little lip-service here and there, make a little noise, but, really nothing. As for women's rights, again, the church fails. There is nothing new under the sun. The catholic church is a patriarchal church, touting a patriarchal hierarchy. Men first and always. The church doesn't care one whit, about the kids, or women. In a May 25 letter to supporters of Catholics Against Capital Punishment, Larry Cox, executive director of Amnesty International USA, said that "in the context of war, rape has been used as a brutal instrument of domination. It is committed with the deliberate intention of causing pregnancy, thereby destroying community and family bonds through the pernicious influences of humiliation and shame." now why would the catholic church wish to support, rape with deliberate intent of impregnation, as a means of a woman being dominated/subjugated, by a male?