kuzadd

neat little chart! Interesting indeed. but I must comment, you are a 'glutton for punishment'(no nastiness intended) to continue on in this thread. People who believe in 'races' need to, for there own reasons. There is no science, no fact behind it. It is strictly for personal justification, thereby it is an irrational belief, and that is all there is too it. I myself wasted my time long enough.

I am afraid , you appear to be just plain confused. check the opening post! Here is all I said, IMO words, verbatim. I think I am getting a new fan here! How exciting!

EXCEPT: I never claimed he was fragged, it seems some doctors entertained the possibility and in fact it was looked into. Please quote where I said that? Therefore, for BC to say to a poster on a political forum " If you can prove he was fragged, go for it." How could I prove that? Would I get access to records, am I able to interview people?? Is that realistic or plausible. NO, it isn't ,I merely posted a news article. BC , made his "prove it" statement, in foolishness, and I made mine back , to demonstrate the foolishness of DEMANDING forum posters "prove" anything. Ever hear the saying "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer"? BTW: thanks for your non-contributions also Yup, keep making it personal???

good piece! btw : I see the UN is back in Iran, they let inspectors back in. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...31/wiran131.xml Iran opens nuclear site to UN inspectors By Tim Butcher, Middle East Correspondent Last Updated: 2:20am BST 31/07/2007 Iran allowed United Nations inspectors into an atomic reactor site yesterday in an attempt to fend off international sanctions over its nuclear programme. wrt : http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushvid.../bushfoolme.htm Yah, he sort of said the above, what he actually said was " fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."" flashback to a Who song, lol! What a "bushism" The saying is "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me"

Oh come on Kuzadd!! The hate the invaders for their FREEDOMS!!! (Certainly not the bombs and utter destruction of their country!) bwahahahahaha forgot to keep propaganda straight, darn it!! it just goes against my grain! with stats like that, all the invaders of Iraq got is the hope the BS will keep enough people fooled and complacent. Meanwhile, the Iraqis starve, die, kids are malnourished. Bringing freedom and democracy!

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...icle2817108.ece According to the report, four million citizens (15%) regularly cannot afford to eat; 70% are without adequate water supplies (up from 50% in 2003); 28% of children are malnourished (compared with 19% before the 2003 invasion); 92% of Iraqi children suffer learning problems, and more than two million people - mostly women and children - have been displaced inside Iraq, with a further two million Iraqi refugees fleeing the country, mainly to Syria and Jordan. The misery inflicted on the population is so staggering the stats just speak for themselves. Why do the people hate the invaders?? It's quite obvious!

The survey recognises that armed conflict is the greatest problem facing Iraqis, but finds a population "increasingly threatened by disease and malnutrition". It suggests that 70% of Iraq's 26.5m population are without adequate water supplies, . Only 20% have access to effective sanitation.well the invasion made that worse, even then the sanctions! Nearly 30% of children are malnourished, a sharp increase on the situation four years ago. I heard a report on the news last night that prior to the attack on Iraq, 18 percent of Iraqi children were malnourished , under the harsh sanctions. well the invasion made that worse! Some 15% of Iraqis regularly cannot afford to eat "Basic services, ruined by years of war and sanctions, cannot meet the needs of the Iraqi people," the director of Oxfam International, Jeremy Hobbs, said. but hey Haliburton is making mucho dollars feeding imaginary troops at imaginary bases. Making friends and winning hearts and minds!! Yah right!

saw that. No we can't have peace, or see the world work towards it, not when war is so much for fun and profittable and besides to hell with the rest of us, the rapture ready christians want war anyway! Literally "to hell with the rest of us" lol! BUT, what would Jesus really do?????

Don't worry, it ain't coming! Unless, someone gets stupid with some nukes? Then even the rapture ready christians are going to burn and melt.

And if he was fragged (murdered), it's George Bush's fault? And the "evil" Pentagon? Who knows who's fault it was? Just indicative of more lies, on top of lies, and more lies to come, I am sure of that.

from the original posted article: no bad guys, no bad guys with guns.

of course it's stupid! It was meant to be. It's just as stupid as BC saying: completely pointless for a discussion forum poster. Yet, you call me on it? Personal?

Can you prove he wasn't?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...2/28/wbin28.xml US casts doubt on bin Laden's latest message By Toby Harnden in Washington Last Updated: 11:52pm GMT 27/12/2001 Pakistan's Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/...arraf.binladen/ Pakistan's president says he thinks Osama bin Laden is most likely dead because the suspected terrorist has been unable to get treatment for his kidney disease. [A Bush administration official] said U.S. intelligence is that bin Laden needs dialysis every three days and "it is fairly obvious that that could be an issue when you are running from place to place, and facing the idea of needing to generate electricity in a mountain hideout." [CNN] etc., etc., Is it any wonder all these tapes, are always old footage??? He's better as a boogeyman, if he is kept "alive" in the minds of the fearful anyway.

Rue: IMO, you know ZERO about my views, You would think a Jewish person who condemns actions Israel has taken, is extremist, if I recall , you have actually called people with those views "self-hating", which they are not, they are entitled to there opinions, as people, as individuals, as human beings. I find that rather 'extremist'. You find my views "extremist", because I will not condemn as an entire group Arab/Muslims, nor will I support as a collective the actions of Israel I disagree with, and that makes me quite "extremist" in my thinking??? Really? I would actually quantify, an individual who will do those types of things, condemn in there entirety, or support unquestioningly as extremist, just like the "christians". In that it is either/or , right/wrong and nothing else. That is extremist thinking. All your assumptions aside. That said, at least we agree on the toxicity of these groups and there extremist thinking.

Do you think two threads exceeds the usual amounts on this forum? From what I have seen here, it isn't even close.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-0...ndly-fire_N.htm SAN FRANCISCO — Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman's forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player's death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press. "The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described," a doctor who examined Tillman's body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators. The doctors — whose names were blacked out — said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away. The Pentagon eventually ruled that Tillman's death at the hands of his comrades was a friendly-fire accident. • Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments. • The three-star general who kept the truth about Tillman's death from his family and the public told investigators some 70 times that he had a bad memory and couldn't recall details of his actions. • No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene — no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck. The Pentagon and the Bush administration have been criticized in recent months for lying about the circumstances of Tillman's death. The military initially told the public and the Tillman family that he had been killed by enemy fire. Only weeks later did the Pentagon acknowledge he was gunned down by fellow Rangers. Yah, the Bush administration lying, that's a stretch, lol!~!!!!! Tillman's mother, Mary Tillman, who has long suggested that her son was deliberately killed by his comrades, said she is still looking for answers and looks forward to the congressional hearings next week. "Nothing is going to bring Pat back. It's about justice for Pat and justice for other soldiers. The nation has been deceived," she said. The documents show that a doctor who autopsied Tillman's body was suspicious of the three gunshot wounds to the head. This isn't looking good for the Bush administration, oh, but then, what does?

Thanks melanie! I will check that out. true, true, the reality of the "rapture ready" crowd, being mainstream is frightful in itself, and it is IMO a cult. Though all religion is a cult, this goes into the real, cult associated, programming, with destructive beliefs and tendencies.

Anyways - their KOOKS!!! groupthink, good descriptive term! I like it!!!!

cybercoma? I thought you may appreciate this little video, you around?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/barnwell/barnwell71.html Like good little fascists! Such evil deeds could religion prompt. Lucretius, De Rerum Natura "The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad." Friedrich Nietzsche Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule. In this "faith" insanity is the rule Was thinking about the term "tin foil hat" used by those who indicate they are of the "right" persuasion. I will say this, If anything is indicative of "tin foil hat" wearing it is all the preceding and proceeding nonsense! war is peace, rapture, left behind, turmoil in the ME, rather then peace, Insane hatred of a group of people (Muslim's) forced conversions or death I do notice how nicely this all plays into political agenda's at this time, as in WW2. Also notice how nicely this ties in to the christian industrial complex

American woman! I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion. amazing! It really is!

did you watch the video? some of those people? the stuff they said?? Just let them speak for themselves and show there true colours!

oh it's funny to read the whining posts from those who deem themselves "right" vs "left" when both sides engage in this, and that's the way it is. !!!!!! So cut the nonsense, out. Pot kettle black But it does help the "right" to portray themselves incessantly as the victim, and the "right" does love victimhood well cry me a river.

here is another example of the "right" stifling science. Far Right Stands Behind Bush in Stem Cell Veto When President Bush again vetoed funding for embryonic stem-cell research, he did more than earn praise from the Religious Right – he invited them to the veto ceremony. His guests included members of Concerned Women for America, the Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, and the National Right to Life Committee. Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, who was not at the White House event, said that “President Bush has proven once again that he's not just a man who talks about preserving a 'culture of life' as political rhetoric -- he's a man who deeply cherishes the sanctity of all human life. His veto today of a bill that would have led to dissection of young innocents in the name of suspect science solidifies his already-strong record as one of our nation's most pro-life presidents.” Focus’s Jim Daly, who was there, applauded Bush for his rhetoric. "The quote that really caught my attention was, 'I will not allow our nation to cross this moral line,’” Daly said. “He was very forthright about it -- very staunch, no equivocation. I think it really shows, on the core issues, this president really gets the pro-life agenda." The "right" seems to be up to more then stifling opinion.