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What polls Hiti say the Green party is the greenest party? Not that polls by anyway mean anything in this regard in the first place. It is name recognition and nothing more. Also, I was speaking of was actual fact, not name recognition or propaganda. The NDP have always had the greenest stance,. In fact, the Green Party is not really even recognized around the world by other Green Parties in a formal way. The Green Party is a party of people taking a name to brand themselves, when they are not actually even close to what the brand means. It is a means to split the left vote and nothing more. The Green Party are going no where in a slow hurry, Hiti. LOLOL Moreover, if they take any votes it willl be away from the CPC because that is who they are targeting to get more votes from, not the NDP or the LIberals, they know full well they got their max from them, andindeed are in danger of losing many of the ones they did get from the left. Funny, you should make all these spurious comments after the resounding yes vote on the motion today, and Jack's strong comments against Harper's environmental policies. There is obviously no support from the NDP towards the CPC. Except in some peoples fantasies it appears. Also, one does not even see the media go to the Green Party leader for info on environmental actions needed. The leader, and the Green Party are slipping right off the Canadian awareness scale.

Give them tanks away? Sell them to the Afgan army yes,(if they could afford them in the first place) but not give. If that was your proposal, it is cheaper to transport the tanks back to Canada. How nice, let's start arming countries now, there are too many bad examples of that running around the world already courtesy of the USA, we need not start down the same road. Well, it is for certain the war lords in Karzi's government could afford the tanks, after all they control all the opium production and wouldn't it be nice for them to have their own personal tanks?! And great thinking on the part of the military industrila complex. GW gives 10 billion to the Afghans so they can buy military equipment, from the companies they, the Bushes et al have stocks in or own outright. They are bleeding regular good Americans dry, and lining their own pockets with it. Truly amazing that some people are buying into the fantasy.

Well, it seems some must be living in their own echo chamber and not the real world where people are discussing it, and being apalled. It will not translate into a sympathy vote for him. Canadians have pretty much had it with their MP's and their party organizers being involved in RCMP and police force investigations leading to charges being laid and court cases. Moreover, the Judge stated the MP used the Canadians courts for political purposes. That is going over just as poorly in the electorates minds. Say nothing of the 2 poor women who had their photos doctored and sent to media and other CPC party members. If this was happening to any other party, those particianns here, who are trying to make light of it, would be screaming bloody murder about it and calling for resignations.

There are so many misconceptions flying about addicts and what the problems and solutions are that it is laughable. Not all addicts have to hit the bottom before they choose recovery programs, or want help. In fact, the vast majority would access the programs if available or they had the money to go to a private one. There is not enough treatment programs available, many who want to access them cannot get spaces. Or they do not have the money to access them. Millions of addicts are tax paying citizens. Unions have their own treatment centres and programs even. Addiction crosses all walks of life, and is not limited to hookers or people living in the street unemployed. I would say those who live on the streets and who hook, are in fact the minority stats in addiction problems. For example, one of my good friend's husband is a lawyer, well now he is ex-husband, she had no idea he was a coke addict until she got a Visa bill for 60k worth of cash withdrawls to pay for his habit, he had been hiding them from her. And all the while he was working as a lawyer, and paying taxes imagine that , eh? People really should research and find out facts about addictions, before they start saying things like; put them on ice flows or kick them to the streets so they can bottom out or die. Police forces would love to give addicts the choice of rehab over putting them back on the streets, they can't, there is not programs enough to do what geoffery is suggesting. Everyone knows this, so I guess they just want addicts to die. Funny really, and it appears those who say such things also say they are pro-life, it seems they are the furthest thing from being pro-life. Israel has a great, state paid for 24 hr herion detox program, works terrific with high %'s of success. We also have it in Canada, but the addict has to pay 10k, at least, for it. Of course most cannot afford it.So, what does the province do? They put them into a medicare sponsored methadone program for years on end. So in the end, the province pays way more for a methadone program that keeps people addicted, rather than paying the 10k for instant 24hr detox from herion. They have even started putting cocaine addicts on the methadone program, even though they are 2 separate addiction types. The philophy is, I guess, if their going to have an addiction, it might as well be a legal paid for by medicare one. But the reality is, the person now has 2 addictions, one to opiates and another to cocaine. The methadone does not replace cocaine addictions.

I believe they blamed global warming on population growth but neglected to say how. The scientists have detailed over and over again how humans are creating global warming, it has been detailed countless times here. It does not take a scientist to see how population growth impacts the environment. The recent USDavis report also details everything humans do that is contributing. Science is not partisian right or left it just is saying other is in fact being partisian.

I believe that the best approach it do keep the state out and let the individuals who have to live with the consequences make the decisions for themselves.You're correct, self determination, for whatever the reason is no one else's business but the woman's. Privacy and self-determination rights make it no one else's business.

Listed the names to give every opportunity for name recognition, as there are mostly significant Jewish names there, so many that I really do not understand how JBG would not know them. Tis starange that he doesn't and there are many Rabbis who have broken away too from the Jewish council. A council that they feel has been taken over by people appropriating their names and their Jewishness to support the nasty actions of the Israeli government, when indeed they have no right. For example: Eric Hobsbawm is one of the best known historians of the Twentieth Century. In addition to many books on a variety of topics, Hobsbawm has written two important texts dealing with the subject of nationalism. These include: Nations and Nationalism Since 1780 and The Invention of Tradition. The excerpt included here is drawn from Nations and Nationalism since 1780. Stephen John Fry is an English comedian, author, actor and filmmaker. In September 2006, he was also voted by the general public as number 9 in a poll of TV's Greatest Stars. In December 2006, Fry was ranked 6th for the BBC's Top Living Icon Award Rabbi Dr David Goldberg is emeritus rabbi of the Liberal Jewish Synagogue, London, and author of The Divided Self: Israel and the Jewish Psyche Today. Carey Oppenheim is a special advisor to No 10 downing St, or rather to the Prime Minister of England Stanley Cohen won The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1986 Lady Ellen Dahrendorf is a prominent historian and translator of Russian political works. Professor Elizabeth Dore is an world renowned author and is Professor of Latin American Studies at the University of Southampton, Sir Geoffrey Bindman, who jbg should know is a prominent UK lawyer was Knighted for his life long pursuit of human rights Julia Bard, a renowned Jewish journalist on Jewish issues and David Rosenberg who is a teacher are committed Jews. They feel passionately about Jewish history, they have a strong Jewish element to their social lives and fight endlessly for anti-semitism and Jewish causes. You can see, just from the few briefs I did, the people who have stepped away and who have signed on to a new organization, are not just any Jews. They are prominent world renowned Jews who fight strongly for Jewish rights, it amazes me that anyone who professes to be Jewish, does not recognize their names. It would be impossible not to know at least some of them.

Looks like the CPC trying to play games and not put hard caps in place, and their wanting to waste time and money is for not. The CPC's blocking of their own Clean Air Act in committee went over like a lead ballon apparently. The government loses by 45 votes! 161 for the environment and 115 CPC against the environment. So, the opposition parties finally stopped waiting on action on the environment, and made their own move, and Harper never even showed. What a marvelous example he is of a leader of a country, NOT! Even Canoe News noted he was a no show on a very important motion. The Bill coming up in a couple of weeks will be binding! The Opposition apparently are going to get on with the business of running the country, seeing as the CPC won't or can't! Seems theCPC are too busy with: making political attack ads and blamming the Liberals for everything, sending racist emails around, dealing with murder threat court cases, telling the Canadian military we are in Afghanistan for purpose of retribution, and entering into NO BID contrats worth billions, to try to govern effectively and maturely. http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Science/2007/0...3532520-cp.html http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/02/05/kyoto-vote.html

Most likely they do not know who you are either jbg, perhaps they do not move in Zionist circles? Funny that you call them quislings, when all they are doing is saying not all Jews speak for all Jews and they want their voices to be heard as being different from those raving irrationally about Muslims and Palestinians. Nor do they believe this you cannot discuss the bad things Israel is doing or you're anti-semetic. Because they believe in human rights, truth and good actions and do not believe what you do, is no reason to negatively label them.

It is up to the woman choice of what she chooses to do with her body, or not, end of story, it is no one else's business. Discussing it from any parameter presumes that it is others business when it is not.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_brit...icle2237707.ece This a extremely important statement, and is pertinent to what is cutrtrently happening in Canada regarding the ME, Canadians need now more than ever to be informed. There are many voices professing to speak for Jews, when indeed they do not. Signatories have put all in as this is a righteous monumantal and historic move, and whose names should be left out? They ALL deserve recognition and allocades and no doubt their numbers will grow: Dr Lisa Appignanesi, Dr Paul Auerbach,Pete Ayrton, Julia Bard, Sir Geoffrey Bindman, Jonathan Bloch,Prof Irene Bruegel, Jennie Buckman, Prof Brian Butterworth, Jane Caplan, Sarah Caplin, Beatrice Clarke,Barry Cohen, Prof Gerald Cohen, Prof Stan Cohen, Lady Ellen Dahrendorf, Jenny Diski,Professor Elizabeth Dore, Musa Moris Farhi, Nicole Farhi, Nina Farhi, Prof Stephan Feuchtwang, Prof Nina Fishman, Prof John Forrester, Dr Edie Friedman, Stephen Fry,Uri Fruchtman, Alexander Goehr, Rabbi Dr David Goldberg,Martin Golding, Geoffrey Goodman,Jeremy Green, Sephen Grosz, Dr Don Guttenplan, Michael Halpern,Michelle Hanson, Jenny Harris, Prof Margaret Harris, Abe Hayeem,Rosamine Hayeem, Prof Sue Himmelweit,Prof Eric Hobsbawm, Marlene Hobsbawm, Eva Hoffman,Luke Holland, Dr Anthony Isaacs, Dr Jeremy Isaacs,Prof Anne Janowitz, Lawrence Joffe, Ann Jungman, Prof Emanuel de Kadt, Dr Keith Kahn-Harris, Prof Cora Kaplan, Anne Karpf, Amira Katz-Goehr, Beeban Kidron, Reva Klein, Pam Kleinot, Dr Brian Klug,Prof Francesca Klug, Dr Tony Klug, Marion Kozak, Richard Kuper, Prof Tony Kushner, Michael Kustow, David Lan,Judith Lancet, Mike Leigh, Prof Stephen Lerman, Dr Mark Levene, Dr Carl Levy, Susan Loppert, Heinz Lubasz, Prof Steven Lukes, Deborah Maccoby,Dr Ruth Mandel,Dennis Marks,Prof Shula Marks,Mike Marqusee, Neil Martinson,Dr David Metz,Chris Mohr,Ian Montrose,Louise Morris,Paul Morrison,Turi Munthe,Braham Murray,Maurice Naftalin,Prof Mica Nava,Diana Neslen,Victoria Neumark,Prof Mike Newman,Carey Oppenheim, Prof Susie Orbach,Dr Kathy Panama,Prof Naomi Pfeffer,Adam Phillips,Caroline Pick,Prof Daniel Pick, Harold Pinter,Sigrid Rausing,Prof Sir Nigel Rodley,Prof Jacqueline Rose,Barbara Rosenbaum,David Rosenberg,Leon Rosselson,Anthony Rudolf,Ken Sabel,Prof Andrew Samuels,Rabbi Elizabeth Tikvah, Sarah Jess Wood Sarah,Prof Donald Sassoon,Ruth Schamroth,Dr Joseph Schwartz,Graeme Segal,Prof Lynne Segal, Ronald Segal,Susan Segal,Prof Richard Sennett,Prof Avi Shlaim,Rabbi Sheila Shulman,Dr Jonathan Sklar,Hazel Slavin,Gillian Slovo,Robyn Slovo,Shawn Slovo, Henry Stewart,Ruth Stone,Dr Judith Suissa, Susan Sutcliffe,Janet Suzman,Dr Barbara Taylor,Ruth Tenne, Asher Tlalim,Ronit Tlalim,Dr Elaine Unterhalter,Zoë Wanamaker,Eyal Weizman, Prof Sami Zubaida, This their purpose and reasoning; We come together in the belief that the broad spectrum of opinion among the Jewish population of this country is not reflected by those institutions which claim authority to represent the Jewish community as a whole. We further believe that individuals and groups within all communities should feel free to express their views on any issue of public concern without incurring accusations of disloyalty. We have therefore resolved to promote the expression of alternative Jewish voices, particularly in respect of the grave situation in the Middle East, which threatens the future of both Israelis and Palestinians as well as the stability of the whole region. We are guided by the following principles: 1. Human rights are universal and indivisible and should be upheld without exception. This is as applicable in Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories as it is elsewhere. 2. Palestinians and Israelis alike have the right to peaceful and secure lives. 3. Peace and stability require the willingness of all parties to the conflict to comply with international law. 4. There is no justification for any form of racism, including anti-Semitism, anti-Arab racism or Islamophobia, in any circumstance. 5. The battle against anti-Semitism is vital and is undermined whenever opposition to Israeli government policies is automatically branded as anti-Semitic. These principles are contradicted when those who claim to speak on behalf of Jews in Britain and other countries consistently put support for the policies of an occupying power above the human rights of an occupied people. The Palestinian inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza Strip face appalling living conditions with desperately little hope for the future. We declare our support for a properly negotiated peace between the Israeli and Palestinian people and oppose any attempt by the Israeli government to impose its own solutions on the Palestinians. It is imperative and urgent that independent Jewish voices find a coherent and consistent way of asserting themselves on these and other issues of concern. We hereby reclaim the tradition of Jewish support for universal freedoms, human rights and social justice. The lessons we have learned from our own history compel us to speak out. We therefore commit ourselves to make public our views on a continuing basis and invite other concerned Jews to join and support us. More on this in particular note the unwarranted uncertainty surrounding speaking out against Zionism and Israel: These are the back ground reasons for the breakaway from the board: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_...ish_voices.html

That is a link to a Republican Party web site that is referring to reports on scientists for goodness sakes, from 1990, 1995 and 1996. LOLOLOLOL Ok ,now I am sure we all want to take the Republican Party's word for anything! NOT LOLOLOLOLOL Again the US Davis report of 2006 has excellent documentation, fro scientists around the world, people should really read it.

Ah, but you se they are not wild stories, there are actual government documents that show this to be true. It seems that only a very small portion of the poluation would believe that government documation is not true. And still more: http://www.tarpley.net/bush2.htm FDR's speech against the Bush cabal aka military industrilaist complex also is available on line.

Yes, I pretty much agree with this synopsis, of how it will play out. Along with attempting to blow up some nuclear facilities. All they will be doing is ensuring the youth of Iran will turn against the west and stop pushing for democratization.

Actually madmax I was actually being partisian meaning left as in Liberals, I do not believe the Liberals did anything that was required in a concrete way, but they did do minor things. Things that the CA, or now the CPC, would not have done at all. So I will give the Liberaals a small amount of credit of the CPC but not much. I was actually speaking about the true environmentalists. And how is what Mulroney did working out these days?

http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/ The Blogger Dave is a former military personal and he cover the situation arising with a good deal of insight and skepticism. He had this to say about the CPC stating they wanted more military personal in cites. http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/200...or-bivouac.html

Well, it is no wonder they gave them the right when they had almost nothing for emissions in the first place.

True but I thought we needed a thread that questioned the whole theory of climate change.There's a Leftist slant to this debate which is unworthy of true scientific enquiry. There has been direct new scientific links posted, that have no political slant. I suppose you chose Stern's report because you apparently think it does. But dismissing it because of a perception that there is a "leftist" slant making it unworthy of true scientific debate is questionable. As science has NO political bias. Moreover, the right in this circumstance, and others, does NOT believe in science so no proof would be available for the right anyway. But hey, feel free to dismiss away ... it does not stop the fact, humans are negatively impacting the environment in a very negative and destructive way.

Riverwind you may say what you like about the ADL. I choose to believe government records from that time and yes, they are available on line. As are the news clips. Again, I refer you to above quotes, the facts are there, and are easily provable to be accurate in court, which is why the Bush family does not sue those exposing their past, they can't, it is true. Just an after thought, riverwind were you questioning why the ADL was not actioning this in the face of so much evidence? because i f you were that is a great point why aren't they?

You say that, but... So is it keep it off the personal for everybody but you? Seems to me your higher level of conduct is only when it suits your purposes. Have you read the judge's decision? I am guessing you are just going of the quote in the story. Do please prove me wrong. This is a tempest in a teapot trying to make the Conservatives look bad out of nothing. Sorry, we aren't going to play by your rules in your attacks. Ok, I will accept that point of rebutting Canadian Blue as not being as positive of a response, to his personal attacks, as I should have been. I will endeavor to do better. Let's hope others here do as well, as really personal attacks instead of discussing the topic are really just propaganada ploys. So, I do hope you keep up pointing out the standards to others as well, it would certainly be helpful. Because not applying it to all certainly smacks of partianship. Yes, I read portions of the Judges transcripts, where he made his acquital comments. Tis sad, and a waste of taxpayers money and the courts time. Did you get a chance to read them? There is no need to make the CPC look bad, they do a very good job of it themselves. But discussing what they're doing to make themselves look bad sure is fun. Seeing how they try to get out of it, is even greater fun. Don't you agree? It is such comic relief after the dark ad scam days. Na, just fooling around, discussing how bad the Liberals were was just as much fun.

Not sure what facts you see to be drivel jbg, as that is what is there, facts showing the Bush family has close Nazi ties, and that Prescott Bush funded Nazi Germany, and lost businesses for collaborating with the enemy and that there has been purposeful burial of these truths. Thoughtful personal opinion, does not compare with facts, facts are facts and have substance, opinions are opinions, and dwell in the realm of not much, particularily when they are not that thoughtful or rational, such as that you linked to.

Well, now we have it, both the Liberals and the CPC have failed Canadians regarding our Kyoto targets and and our GHG emissions.

I have noticed that too. Maybe the Conservatives paid for production and a small ad buy just for all the earned media from the news stories that followed. I concur that was my thought too, and it was in the beginning as well. Good on them to try and see if it would float first, or then maybe the consortium that owns advetising rights refused to air them seeing as how the content may have broken copyright laws. But e1 I know watching the SB said they would be really teed off to see political ads during the broadcast they want to enjoy themselves. Again smart move by the CPC not to air them.

As people keep trying to explain to you, the accused is not an MP, it is a guy who worked for the riding association. Holding up a riding association worker as being representative of the MP or the entire party is so patently stupid that it's exactly what I'd expect from you. -k Please try to keep it off the personal, it does a disservice to discussion and patently shows lack of salient points and truths that are pertinent to the discussion.. The judge acquitted the case against the riding person, why? Because they were playing politics with the court system. Having said that I concur, it is the riding person who levelled the murder threats and is most at fault. but he is now seeking nomination and wants the MP to step aside. Now, you also took my comments out of context to Can Blues who insisted on comparing with the Liberal infighting. Instead of discussing the topic at hand.

Well, were passed half time at the Superbowl and I have yet to see a CPC attack ad, guess that little tactic was pulled eh?