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Guess you missed it, some NDPers seem to be morally challenged not to mention this was same riding that refused to allow the "support the troops" shirts to be sold. Ujjal Dosanjh agreed with Layton re negotiating with the Taliban. The 'dirty little lies' being spread are not by Harper but keep spinning. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...b59&k=31590 OTTAWA - Canada's troops in Afghanistan have been "acting like terrorists, destroying communities, killing and maiming innocent people", according to a resolution that will be voted on by New Democrats at the party's convention in Quebec City this weekend.

TOUCHE !!

Sheez, I thought it was 72 virgins...do the females get that too ? The Pope said nothing he need apologize for, unless he should apologize for suggesting there be a reasoned dialogue between faiths. To paraphrase Michael Coren: I'm waiting for an apology for the firebombing of churches after the speech; for threats against the Pope's life (and others) e.g. Hassan Malin who urged Muslims to "hunt down" Benedict and kill him "on the spot." I would like to see an apology for Islamist attacks on priests in Turkey and the the murder of a priest. I would like to see an apology for the Indonesian schoolgirls who were beheaded I would like to see an apology for the aggresive and Muslim expansionism many years ago similar to Pope Paul when he apologized for the 'Crusades'. Apologize for the sermons in some mosques that compare Jews to monkeys and pigs and call for the Jewish people to be slaughtered. Apologize for those Muslim countries that make television dramas claiming Jews kill gentile babies so as to drink their blood. Apologize for the murder of three of the translators of Salman Rushdie's The Satanic Verses, for the murder of Dutch film director Theo Van Gogh and for the murder of Daniel Pearl.

More impropriety, what next? This is making Rae look better and better - more Rae days coming soon http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...0923?hub=Canada 3 Grit leadership hopefuls in trouble over lists Updated Sat. Sep. 23 2006 11:21 PM ET Canadian Press OTTAWA -- Three Liberal leadership hopefuls could face sanctions for giving the party's confidential membership lists to a newspaper which used the data to conduct a controversial opinion poll on the leadership race. The Globe and Mail, which published the poll results last week, said it obtained the lists from the campaigns of Stephane Dion, Ken Dryden and Scott Brison, although the latter's camp has since denied any involvement. Yet each candidate was required to personally sign a declaration of confidentiality before the party handed over the coveted lists of members across the country. In the declaration, candidates agreed to take "appropriate measures to protect the confidentiality of the personal information on the lists.'' They further agreed that they "will not disclose the lists to anyone outside the Liberal Party of Canada.'' Liberal national director Steven MacKinnon said the party is still investigating the possible breach of confidentiality. "Needless to say, using our membership lists for anything other than the intended purpose . . . troubles us,'' MacKinnon said.

We are there as part of a UN sactioned NATO mission and you know that. As for 9/11 being an inside job - poppycock and thats putting it mildly. Please don't divert threads into conspiracy theories. As for the original allegation, debate is not being stifled and personally I was proud to be Canadian when Harper spoke at the U.N. he is doing Canada proud !

I didn't see any mention of Jim Karygiannis who was his campaign manager (he resigned I think) and it is not clear if Volpe actually knew or was involved in this. However, if Jimmy K. was involved then it is liely only the tip of the iceberg, the two make a great pair. http://tinyurl.com/s8y2g Toronto Star Dozens improperly signed up Many surprised Montrealers get cards, probe finds Volpe campaign named as paying for 9 memberships Sep. 23, 2006. 07:20 AM LINDA DIEBEL AND JOANNA SMITH STAFF REPORTERS Dozens of people in Montreal, including the dead, have been improperly signed up as federal Liberal party members. A Toronto Star investigation has found unsuspecting Quebecers — some surprised to find out they were instant Liberals — were sent membership cards and letters urging them to vote next weekend at all-important meetings to elect delegates to the Liberal convention to choose a new leader.

These constant accusations of hating or attacking Harper are insane. When I state a fact it is not an "attack". Harper has not increased his lead since the election. That is a factual statement, not an attack. I realize you work for the CPC, but you need to allow the free flow of facts and opinions without blowing a gasket. Just curious, but how do you know he works for the CPC, and do you work for the Liberal party?

From today's NP they say it better than I can. http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/is...08-51292c4cc77b how true, how true, said the young kangaroo.... and I love this Al-Q the political arm of the U.N. LOL "The infidelity and tyranny of the Pope will only be stopped by a major attack," announced al-Qaeda from its cave on the Afghan-Pakistani border. Al-Qaeda's political arm in New York, a.k.a. the United Nations, took no position, only using the opportunity to condemn Israel for one thing or another." Why do some Muslims have such an uncanny talent for proving the case of their critics? When accused of violence, they threaten violence. Better still, they engage in it. "Call us unruly and we riot," they say, in essence. "Call us murderers, and we kill you." Don't they see that this makes them a joke? Well, no, they don't -- and they're right. Saying such things may make someone a joke in a debating society, but Islamofascists fight in a different arena. They don't care about winning the debate; what they want to win is their Kampf, better known these days as Jihad. Lo and behold, they're winning it. By now the whole world tiptoes around the sensibilities of medieval fanatics. We take pains not to offend ululating fossils who cheer suicide bombers. Or raise them. We prop up rickety regimes whose sole contribution to modern times is to nurture ancient grievances and revive barbaric customs. We worry about the feelings -- feelings! -- of people who stone their loved ones for sexual missteps. We pussyfoot to protect the delicate psyche of oily ogres who amputate the hands of petty thieves, issue fatwas on novelists and cover up their hapless wives and sisters to the eyeballs. We do this, obviously, not because we're impressed by the logic of the Islamofascist line -- "call us murderers and we'll kill you" -- but because we're intimidated by it. The Jihadists don't care about the quality of their argument. One doesn't have to, if one's aim isn't to persuade, but to coerce. The mullahs of militant Islam aren't worried about proving their critics' case. So some pundits think we're proving Benedict XVI or Manuel II right, imams Choudary and Malin might say. Big deal. Logic may be essential for pundits. It isn't essential for our followers who are willing to blow themselves up to get their way."

Multiculturalism actually highlights the differences between groups while ignoring the similarities, it is also political. My answer is YES. This is a letter to the editor I wrote a few years back which was published, it is apprapro for this thread I believe. Canada's identity and culture is no longer of any importance; it has been tossed aside in favour of official multiculturalism and group rights which has resulted in a trend in this country whereby special interest groups and certain organizations are now telling you what you should believe in, how we should feel, and who we should hire. The huge mass of immigrants coming from alien cultures has also resulted in what Canadians euphemistically refer to as 'Employment Equity" otherwise known as affirmative action, or, elevating incompetents beyond their level of capability. This in turn has resulted in widespread 'reverse discrimination'. Canadians have recently been shocked at images of violent protests in support of Milosevic by Serbs living in Canada (I won't call them Canadians). Their support of Milosevic's genocide of the Albanians is akin to supporting Hitler as he marched the Jews to the gas chambers. Millions of dollars of taxpayers' money has gone into supporting ethnic councils, foreign language newspapers and ethnic lobby groups. Taxpayer funded ethnic enclaves have spawned organized (and often violent) demonstrations, confirming feelings that many cultures bring with them the old ethnic hatreds, passing them on to children born here. The concept of multiculturalism may invoke a warm fuzzy feeling for the cultural elite, but the left wing have seized on it purely as a cynical exercise to segment the voting market and buy ethnic support (with tax payers' money of course). They have given new and undefined meaning to the word 'racist' to allow it to be used as an emotional battering ram to stifle public discussion and opinion. Refugees are treated better than our working poor; they receive free medical aid and dental care, but working class Canadians are not given those benefits while the 'intellectual elite' constantly screams 'racist' and 'bigot' at those who don't subscribe to their views. Most of Canada is not arable, and the majority of people come to the large cities creating further overcrowding, shortage of housing etc.. Canada (and the rest of the world) does not need more people; morepeople...more consumption, more pollution, more environmental problems. It is time there was a moratorium on immigration until the current economy unemployment rate, and the social fabric of Canada, can sustain additional people. Adequacy in one of our official languages should be a prerequisite for entry in this country, and these immigrants should be financially and morally responsible for teaching their children English (or French) before dumping them into a school system and expecting tax payers to fund their language training.

As I said in the other thread, people are missing the most important part of the Pope's speech, that is, a call for dialogue and reason. Guess that went over the heads of the Imams.

To some extent this is all part of irrresponsible journalism which centred on a piece taken out of context ,which the media knew would inflame the Muslim street (well, and the demonstration planners). He actually only made one mention of Islam in a rather long speech. A small part which has been picked up on and taken out of context is being used to inflame the radicals. The words which have not been heeded were only an implied criticism of Islam, that is a faith which is deaf to reason not only acts in way that displeases God, e.g. through conversion by force, but also has problems entering into dialogue with different cultures. Surely therefore, it is a challenge to all religious leaders, including Islam, to engage in such dialogue with the Pope (and other religious leaders) - reason should be the weapon of choice. Why is it that when Islam is criticized there are violent mass protests, and demands for an apology, but when do Christians ever protest violently and demand an apology for all the pain, fear and death they have been caused through terrorism, beheadings, death threats, anti-Semitism etc.? How many other faiths would respond so violently to a fairly innocuous message and a call for dialogue with other religions Now what was the response by some Muslims - oh yeah, they are calling for a day of anger, attacking churches in the PA, killing, and calling for violence against the Pope. "How dare you call our religion violent, we should kill you for that"..... say what !

The thought of the NDP in power gives me the willies, my hair stands on end. All you have to do is read the convention proposals, and you get a pretty good idea of what they have in mind for us.

Where did I mention the NDP, but now that you mention it, it is hardly propaganda, if you read the recent proposals at the convention, you'll know that it is so. If it were not for large companies (and small) none of us what have a job, some get rich yes, if I could, I would. If jobs are leaving our hemisphere they are going to third world countries, thus providing them with employment and a better standard living. I thought that is what you wanted to see. I don't know about you but I don't have a 'grand lifestyle', obviously better than most in the third world, but by our measurements, it is not grand. I am conservative, I am not rich and I am not religious - that is also propaganda against the conservatives. Overpopulation is one of the problems, maybe there isn't enough to go around, maybe it is the third world that is not sustainable. Blaming the west and its industry for being productive and providing for better lifestyles, is at best, misguided. If the West didn't produce as much the stadnard of living countries such as South Africa would be lower than they are today. If we didn't produce and consume as much, thereby sustaining our economy, we would be in the same state of poverty as the third world. We would have no decent housing, no investment in education or your 'free' health care. Taxes from those nasty capitalists and we consumers, sustain all of that. You've lost me here, I'm not clear to what you are referring. I don't subscribe to the sinner belief either, but I don't believe it was mentioned. To say that we, because we have created a good economy and have raised our standard of living, we are sinners is simply preposterous. Take for instance, tropical rainforest deforestation, it has little or nothing to do with our consumption and economy. It has more to do with the fact than less than 10% of the harvested wood is exported as most of the wood is burned for fuel, clear cutting is done by farmers for tilling the land. Kyoto for instance, asks us to pay developing countries to continue polluting while we continue to cut back. Most despots and dictators are more interested in getting handout from the west and sustaining their Swiss bank accounts, rather than improving the living conditions of their people.

Prediction: NDP will have a big lose in seats in the next election, and Layton's 92% approval rating this past weekend will be his last as leader of the NDP. I hope so.

That was a long time ago, it isn't happening now. This chapter in life is being used to beat today's Canadians and blackmail them. We know it happened, but the numbers and allegations of thousands of buried babies etc. is hearsay, the more they can enlarge on this tragedy, the more they can hope to get from us. We are not responsible for the in fighting and massacres in third world countries; we give billions in aid but much of it is misspent and wasted and some projects etc. misguided e.g. huge dams that throw populations into upheaval by flooding them off their land, some world bank projects have displaced millions while the third world dictators and despots benefit more from our aid than the population. The notion that we (the West) are responsible forThird World poverty is over played, The dam in China is threatening to be a huge population migration nightmare and the Indian damn projects (about 3,000 damns threaten more). http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/...iew-watson.html Aid: The Environmental Price We Pay http://www.valt.helsinki.fi/atk/gpe/texts/bauer.htm excerpted: Far from the West having caused the poverty in the Third World, contact with the West has been the principal agent of material progress there. The materially more advanced societies and regions of the Third World are those with which the West established the most numerous, diversified and extensive contacts: the cash-crop producing areas and entrepot ports of South-East Asia, West Africa and Latin America; the mineral-producing areas of Africa and the Middle East; and cities and ports throughout Asia, Africa, the Caribbean and Latin America. The level of material achievement usually diminishes as one moves away from the foci of Western impact. The poorest and most backward people have few or no external contacts; witness the aborigines, pygmies and desert peoples. All this is neither new nor surprising, since the spread of material progress from more to less advanced regions is a commonplace of history. In medieval Europe, for instance, the more advanced regions of Central and Eastern Europe and Scandinavia were the areas with most contacts with France, the Low Countries and Italy, the most advanced parts of Europe at the time. The West was materially far ahead of the present Third World countries when it established extensive and diverse" I am not part of a collective guilt to what happened years ago, and in an essay by Bauer, “Western Guilt and Third World Poverty,” he showed that the West need not feel guilty for world poverty. ... www.fff.org/comment/com0206c.asp Redistribution of wealth, generally ends with the destruction of that wealth and rarely creates the wealth in another. That re-distributed money then goes mainly on short term consumption or be stolen by corrupt despots. Freer trade and more competition is part of the solution, not throwing yourself on the alter of self hatred and self flagulation.

If Canada were to be attacked and a full scale war ensued, you might see a draft, but even then there would be a problem. Guess it might depend on who was doing the attacking. Too many recent immigrants might support the attacker e.g. Serbs. I remember listening to a phone in show and hearing people then saying they would go back and fight the Canadian soldiers. It does give one pause for thought though, can you imagine during WW11 what it would be like in Britain if the 5th estate had been on the side of Hitler and wanted to negotiate !

Don't be sure sure he won't get a majority, but even at that he would never bring in a draft, why would you even think that. Heck, its a democrat in the U.S. putting forward a bill to bring back the draft. Rangel I believe.

You have a point ?

Taliban Jack is trying to cash in on anti-Americanism which will likely resonate with those so inclined. The NDP proposals have given us a very clear look into what we can expect if they should ever gain power, Did not the U.N. go into into Lebanon in the 70s supposedly to keep peace and 'disarm' Hezbollah? So the NDP now want Canadian troops to try this once more, against terrorists better armed than before.

Taliban Jack wants us out of Afghanistan, but its okay for the troops to die in Lebanon - he's a hypocite of alarming proportions. Hopefully this and the radical proposals coming out of their convention will open people's eyes.

Dalton and his crew will be re-elected, as long as people continue to collect their 'free' healthcare they won't care, they probably cannot put two and two together either.

I'd like to see a list of policies which show that Harper is too in bed with the Americans. I hear this a lot, but nobody seems able to come up with much. Well lets see, he does use an SUV in his motorcades.

Thanks for posting this and stay safe.

Well said, I definitely concur with that. Neither I, nor my parents knew anything about residential schools, I certainly take no personal responsibility, either do I take personal responsibility for what happened hundreds of years ago. As tragic as it was we have to move on. Neither me nor my children nor Canadians in general should have to pay in perpetuity to keep one group of people apart from the rest of us. Canadians are ALL equal. I too would like to hear a response to Betsy's question, I'm guessing we won't get one.

My niece is on a 6 month wait list for an MRI, but cannot afford to go to the U.S. for one. If this were cancer we would all chip in and send her south. As it is we had to chip in to send her to the U.S. for treatment that is not available in Canada. She is on a wait list for a doctor ( I waited two years) I see nothing wrong with being proactive and paying for an MRI if I wished to; objections to paying for procedures is simply sour grapes and jealousy. "you can't have anything I don't have" Heck I can pay for dog anytime to have an MRI, but not my family. Mobile MRI and catscan machines should be allowed, I couldn't care less if my neighbour can afford one and I can't. No one would die any more than they dying now in wait lists if we offered patiens the opportunity to purchase services, its no skin of my nose or anyone else's.