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Question period is a joke, its amore of a forum for the opposition to play games and turn parliament into a circus, and a dysfunctional one at that.

Continuing double standards, Mcguinty doesn't have gonads to enforce law. This has nothing to do with land claims and treaties, it is about a government refusing to enforce our laws for one group. http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news...3c-c6dcc6f2215c Enforce the law, Mr. McGuinty The Gazette Published: Friday, June 16, 2006 If you ever find yourself charged with trying to kill a police officer, don't worry about being arrested - your family will just hide you away, and nobody will do anything about it, although the premier of your province might make some plaintive bleating noises. There's just one catch - you have to be a native protester. The double standard that Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty has allowed to grow up around the land-dispute protest site at Caledonia, south of Hamilton, has now become manifestly absurd. Last Friday, police say, seven people connected to the land protest at a construction site - were involved in the "swarming" of a car, assaults on TV cameramen and the theft of a car that was then driven at police officers. Protest spokesmen solemnly claimed that these events were "political" and therefore not criminal. (Actually, of course, political violence can be considered terrorism.)

I'm posting this as a new topic, and I do like the term 'Fisking the news' LOL in other words, Manipulating the News to fit a left wing slant. http://andrewcoyne.com/2006/06/fisking-fisk-first.php Of course, the Muslim-bashers have laced this nonsense with the usual pious concern for the rights of the accused. Fisk has offered no evidence or even charged anyone with Muslim-bashing to this point. It's just assumed -- exactly the same rush to judgment of which he accuses others. Viz: and so on http://www.counterpunch.org./fisk06122006.html he Case of the Toronto 17 Has Racism Invaded Canada? By ROBERT FISK This has been a good week to be in Canada--or an awful week, depending on your point of view--to understand just how irretrievably biased and potentially racist the Canadian press has become. Oh sure Robert, - maybe it is because Robert Fisk is a bit dismayed to find out that maybe there are some Muslim wannabe terrorsts in Canada, but dammit, they got caught... so what's a manipualtive journalist to do now by gosh.

If the native violence wasn't escalating, and the province was actually doing its job, the citizens of Caledonia wouldn't feel the need for a citizen's militia. I certainly hope that someone doesn't have to die before any action is taken. Criminal contempt of court would not have been tolerated if this had been a 'non-native' group, another example of race based preferential treatment.

The logistics of independance, borders, security, infrastructure, self-contained education, debt-sharing etc. would have to be ironed out. If something could be arranged I am confident that people in this area would welcome that. However their would be no going back for either parties. There is also the matter of passports, would they be part of NAFTA, etc. etc. something similar to the matter of Quebec wanting to separate, all or nothing. If you wish to be considered a separate nation fine, but that also means no more money from the ROC. From what I have read the land was sold to the gov't, there is no question there. The question seems to be money, where they compensated properly or not. If not, then it should be back to to table to talk, there is no excuse for this lawlessness, and neither is there an excuse for the gov't not to act on this now. The situation in Caledonia seems to worsening although I'm sure, it will be seen as 'racism' by the some because a group of people feel they need to protect themselves as they are not getting protection from the province. I don't agree with vigalnte type actions but what are they to do if the authorities will not act to protect them. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home Homeowners in the neighbourhood told an information meeting of the Caledonia Citizens Alliance on Tuesday they are “terrified” by gunshots in the ravine behind their homes, masked men roaring through the ravine on ATVs, and attempts to burn wooden fences between their homes and the disputed land. Others told of a cache of gasoline-filled bottles commonly referred to as Molotov cocktails stashed near their homes. “We're hurting over there,” said resident Kevin Clark. “We need help. It is terror there, not just anger.” The plan calls for residents to “repel the aggression by creation of a large presence and advance together as one unit peacefully, if possible, until the offending persons remove themselves from the property and back into their own area.” David Hartless, author of the plan, said the intention is not to create vigilantes. Residents would not pursue protesters past the “borderline” (yellow police tape), he said. “This is only a defensive act,” Mr. Hartless said in the letter. “The OPP response has been largely ineffectual and it is now apparent that in order to protect ourselves, our families and our homes, we must do so collectively and present a united front.”

Well, I'm sure the 'official spokesperson' will have a different spin. Maybe someone can show me some concrete evidence that none of this happened, and the media is just making it all up. And why it so politically incorrect to tell the truth about these clashes. We need a public inquiry as to who is giving the police orders not to intervene and help Canadians, this like a Banana Republic these days and domestic terrorism is not solely an Islamic problem . http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/st...50c3895&k=56224 Seven aboriginals sought in Caledonia clashes CALEDONIA, Ont -- Ontario Provincial Police say seven aboriginal protesters were involved in a string of violent clashes at the scene of a long-standing native blockade near Hamilton. Warrents are being sought for the seven, who face some serious charges, including attempted murder, assault and forcible confinement. The charges involve several violent incidents on Friday, including one in which protesters surrounded a U-S Border Patrol vehicle dragged out its three occupants. OPP Constable Doug Graham says the vehicle was stolen and deliberately driven toward a provincial police officer, who was injured as he was pulled out of its path. -snip- One of the victims said police officers were nearby, but took no action.

Another one from the ww.globeandmail.com Ontario police seek arrest warrants after Caledonia violence www.globeandmail.com In announcing the warrants on Saturday, deputy OPP commissioner Maurice Pilon said his greatest fear was that someone would be hurt over the course of the standoff. "Unfortunately that has occurred," Mr. Pilon said. "And I don't think that's acceptable." Premier Dalton McGuinty said Friday he's angry about the way some people at the blockade are behaving, and said he hopes they don't destroy efforts to find a peaceful resolution to the dispute. Critics are blaming the legacy of the Ipperwash standoff, where aboriginal protester Dudley George was killed by a police bullet in 1995, for the reluctance of police to crack down on unruly protesters." Gee, McGuint's angry, well so are many people - at McGuinty for not doing anything. He's like a rabbit in headlights - too scared to do anything.

According to this and other reports, arrests are in the works. http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/National/2006/...625704-sun.html CALEDONIA, Ont. -- The OPP were securing arrest warrants yesterday for seven people accused in violent flare-ups in Caledonia stemming from an unresolved Native land claim. On Friday and into early yesterday, townspeople and Six Nations members clashed in explosive confrontations over the natives' occupation of a housing development still under construction. OPP officers were expected to arrest the suspects in connection with the charges -- ranging from robbery to attempted murder -- sometime yesterday. The seven face a battery of charges after angry protesters surrounded a U.S. Border Patrol vehicle on Friday and dragged out its three occupants before taking over the vehicle "They were forcibly removed after they were swarmed," OPP Const. Doug Graham said yesterday. An injured police officer was pulled out of the path of the stolen Border Patrol vehicle as it was driven deliberately at him, Graham said yesterday. Graham said the officer was treated and released. The stolen vehicle was recovered but no arrests were made. Officers from the U.S. Border Patrol were in the area to observe how provincial police were handling the standoff, Graham added. Other charges police expect to lay against the protesters include theft of a motor vehicle, robbery, intimidation and assault causing bodily harm, he said. The incident was just one of several confrontations with protesters on Friday that are related to the charges. "We have identified several suspects that had been involved in these incidents," said deputy OPP commissioner Maurice Pilon. Pilon said most, if not all, the suspects are members of Six Nations. The Six Nations Confederacy yesterday called the violence "disheartening. . .......

Do you have a source other than Widopedia - thanks

Maybe something will be done now that the press are being assaulted, they can press the issue in their papers. Not only the press, but tourists assaulted and robbed, residents harrassed in their own homes .... this is a serious breakdown of peace, order, and good gov't. McGuinty etal need to take some responsibility now, and restore order but everyone is afraid. The judge issued a court order, but the police via Dildo did not enforce that order. It is time now for the Feds to take over - but I'm guessing they don't have the gonads either. Wonder if someone has to die before they do.

The leaders of six Islamic groups have asked Prime Minister Harper to convene a summit on youth extremism in the wake of the recent arrests. Karl Nickner, director of the Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations, said his and other Muslim organizations, want to be proactive in challenging extremism. The groups would also like Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty and Toronto Mayor David Miller to attend the proposed meeting. NDP Leader Jack Layton agreed that a formal dialogues is required to address the sense of marginalization experienced by Muslim youth : Toronto Star page A10 " They would also like us to pay for all of this. I'm not surprised at Jacko using saying Muslim youth are experiencing marginalization, but this particular group of wannabe terorrists came from different backgrounds and were not (to my knowledge) poor. If they are marginalized it is only because the families choose to stay and be apart from the ROC. A number of years ago, hubby and I were involved in Cubs, they had a good group from all walks of life. (this was Toronto after all). It didn't take long for the muslims to split off and request their own Cub pack, apart from the rest. They got it, and chose not to be part of the mainstream meeting on another night. This is only one incident, but how much of this 'marginalization' is of their own choosing?

There's a good article here from Jona G. I tend to agree with a moratorium on immigration until Canada has more, and better trained staff to cope with the influx of refugees. We also need to take another hard look at immigration policies in general, particularly the family reunification program. http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commen...omment-opinions Jonah Goldberg: The price of 'nice' for Canada Our northern neighbor thinks being all multicultural and sucking up to the United Nations will keep the terrorists away. Think again. June 8, 2006 -snip- Canada is arguably the most deluded industrialized nation in the world. Because elite Canadians think the U.S. is the font of the world's problems, they think being different than the U.S. and sucking up to the United Nations will buy them grace on the cheap. They claim to be "a nation of peacekeepers," but they rank 50th among U.N. peacekeeper nations in the number of troops sent. They've bravely contributed to the war in Afghanistan, where 2,300 troops still serve, but refused to join the effort in Iraq, believing that jihadists would honor such fine distinctions. That was awfully nice of them. Too bad nice has nothing to do with it. The presence of a profoundly evil, homegrown terror cell in Canada has understandably provoked a lot of soul-searching to our north. As one Canadian editorial put it: "We are Canada, peacekeepers to the world, everybody's nice guy. Who would want to harm us, and why?" Or as Audrey Macklin, a University of Toronto law professor, confessed to the L.A. Times, Canadians "picture themselves as being thought of as nicer than the United States." Why on earth would terrorists want to hurt a "nice" country? Well, for starters, nice isn't all it's cracked up to be. The frog who carried the scorpion on his back in Aesop's fable was nice. It didn't make the scorpion's sting any less poisonous. Indeed, there's good reason to believe that niceness is part of the problem, not the solution. Many Canadians (and Americans and Europeans) cling to a deep-seated belief that more multiculturalism, more interfaith dialogue, more "understanding," more Western apologies, more acceptance of Sharia, more "niceness" will fix the problem. -snip- In Canada, the retreat into denial was instantaneous. At the news conference announcing the arrests, officials said the alleged plotters came from "a variety of backgrounds" and the "broad strata" of Canadian society because "some are students, some are employed, some are unemployed." They might as well have said the accused plotters were diverse because they all liked different ice cream. The relevant fact was that they were all Muslim and nearly all attended a single radical mosque. But it would be rude to mention that. In a meeting with Muslim leaders the day after the news conference, Toronto's chief of police reportedly boasted that the government never mentioned the alleged terrorists' religion. Well, isn't that sweet. I'm sure the next time Islamists set out to chop off lawmakers' heads or murder the staff of the Canadian Broadcasting Co., they'll keep in mind how nice you were about all this.

There's a similar incident again, this the time the Star reports. Really, why are there two sets of laws in this country? And McGuinty offers sympathy - really - how about some law and order. http://tinyurl.com/h2oa9 (Toronto Star) TV crew attacked in Caledonia - OPP officers ignored assault, camera operators complain Jun. 9, 2006. 06:50 PM CALEDONIA, Ont. — Two news cameramen were assaulted by protesters today, prompting Premier Dalton McGuinty to condemn the latest violence at the site of an aboriginal occupation in Caledonia, Ont. The CH TV camera operators, one of whom needed stitches to close a head wound, said Ontario Provincial Police did nothing despite their pleas for help. "The police were right behind me and I asked for protection," said Ken MacKay, a CH TV camera operator. "I said, `I'm being assaulted, I need protection, they're trying to steal my camera' and nothing happened. "(The attackers) wrestled the camera away from me and took it and left me, and they got the tape out." Police said they were investigating the assault at the location near Hamilton, where aboriginal protesters took over a building site in February. In Edmonton where he was meeting with the country's premiers, McGuinty expressed dismay at the attack. "It was with great disappointment that I learned of the violent incidents in Caledonia," he said in a statement. "I would like to express sympathy and concern for those injured."

They do need, and will get a fair trial. Not allowing them to pray (or prey) together is not a denial of rights, its a sensible precaution. They are at liberty to pray as much as they like, with their Korans, individually.

We certainly do, acting in desparation my foot. I personally don’t care one iota what their religion is or how they feel about our society, when they or anyone plans mass murder they are crossing the line big time; they do not deserve my empthay or sympathy. Neither should I be willing to share my habitat with these homicidal maniacs. The idea that because they might be unemployed, under-employed, frustrated unloved or whatever does not give them the right to engage in such heinous activities. These barbarians both within and without the gates should be dealt with firmly and absolutely; if they refuse to accept our social standards and values and engage in lawlessness they should be excluded from our society, by deportation or jail. Canadians should not be willing to be victims, these scum have no reason to prey on us and neither should we accept any excuses offered by them or their advocates. If they feel that strongly about Canada fighting for Afghani freedom and democracy they can leave Canada for good and live in Afghanistan. Maybe our soldiers will get lucky and run into them there !

The writer is a liberal and now he is feeling threatened. I thought this was apprapro for this thread. Law no longer rules in Caledonia A group of native protesters has been flouting the law for more than two months and government just watches Friday June 2, 2006 MATT WALCOFF RECORD STAFF (Originally published May 31, 2006) Good liberal that I am, I have always tried to be on the side of the aboriginal inhabitants of North America. Lately, though, I've been hit with a bout of cognitive dissonance over the standoff in Caledonia. News reports about members of the Six Nations taking over part of the town, destroying property and making life miserable for the citizenry challenged my impression of the Iroquois as a group of underappreciated victims of the perfidy of the white man. Last weekend, I decided to check out the situation in Caledonia for myself. Initially, I saw little sign of conflict. The barricades looked more like a picket line in a labour dispute than parts of a war zone. I had no intention of involving myself in the dispute, but I thought it would be cool to snap a picture of the barricades from a safe distance for posterity. I stopped my car on the other side of the street, away from the disputed property. I clicked the button and prepared to be on my way. How foolish of me to believe the laws of Canada were in effect in Caledonia. Immediately, a one-eyed protester came darting across the street, motioning to me to roll down my window. I complied, which was my second mistake. "Gimme your film," he said. "I'm sorry?" I asked. "Give me your film. We have authority from the OPP to take your film." I found it ironic that someone challenging the authority of the government of Ontario would use the OPP as his justification to harass a passer-by. My journalist's instincts set in. I told the one-eyed protester that one, the camera was digital and two, that I was on a public road and had the right to take a picture. "What public road," my inquisitor asked. "This one. Highway 6." "This was Highway 6," he said with a humph. "It's our lane now." Two more protesters, a man and a woman, joined this unscheduled customs inspection. The man opened one of the back doors of the car and began searching my things for my camera; the woman yelled and gesticulated while rifling through the stuff on my passenger seat. To his credit, the one-eyed man began to explain how protesters had received threats and feared retaliation if photos were disseminated. I replied that I was from out of town and had no vested interests in his dispute. I tried to explain that I would be happy to erase any images of him and his friends from my camera if they would just step back from my car. But by the time I explained that, his colleagues had realized the camera was in the little cubbyhole under my elbow. The second man grabbed me by the throat and pulled me back so the woman could reach in and grab my camera. "You just lost your camera!" she said, skipping back to the barricade. My protestations that I was going to delete the pictures met with a gleeful smile. "You snooze, you lose," she said. The one-eyed man, though, offered me a deal. If I would show him my driver's licence and let him take down my personal information, they would return my camera, minus the pictures. Seeing little choice in the matter, I handed over my licence, hoping the occupiers weren't going to abscond with that, too. In the end, the protesters returned my camera after deleting every picture, including the ones that had nothing to do with Caledonia. The woman let me off with a warning: "If we see these pictures anywhere, we know where you live." How I was going to do anything with the pictures they had deleted, I haven't the faintest. In their five-minute encounter with me, the protesters had broken several laws -- interfering with traffic, assault, robbery and extortion among them. Throughout the incident, an OPP officer, perhaps 40 metres away, watched and did nothing. I suppose the one-eyed man was right when he said the protesters were operating with the sanction of the police. Of course, my minor trauma is nothing compared to what the residents of Caledonia have been dealing with since the occupation of a housing-construction site began in February. Vandals behind the barricades have destroyed a bridge and knocked out power for thousands of homes. Serious accidents have resulted from the diversion of vehicles onto side roads not suited for the traffic. Local businesses have lost thousands of dollars as customers elect not to run a gauntlet to go shopping. Until the protesters removed a barrier on Argyle Street last week, people who lived on the road could only enter or leave their homes with the permission of the occupiers. They could not have visitors and were subject to an 11 p.m. curfew -- imposed by the protesters, not by any lawful authority. The local newspaper reported one Argyle Street youth has had to move away from home, since no school-bus driver dares to pick him up. What is going on in Caledonia is not a noble struggle of members of an oppressed minority asserting their civil rights. This is not a 1960 sit-in at a Georgia Woolworth's lunch counter. This is a gang of militant thugs victimizing the law-abiding citizens of Haldimand County, emboldened by the timidity of a province and country paralyzed by political correctness and the fear that one of the occupiers might get hurt. The Ontario government has responded to the crisis as if it was a teachers' strike, sending in David Peterson to negotiate. But the occupation is not a political dispute; it is a long-running criminal act. We do not negotiate with bank robbers or drunk drivers. We arrest them and throw them in jail. If they resist? Well, that's why cops have handcuffs, nightsticks and tear-gas grenades. I'm sure some readers still think the occupiers are the victims, automatically deserving of sympathy as people of colour fighting The Man. Those sympathizers should take note: The Six Nations radicals claim all land within six miles of the Grand River. That includes all of Waterloo, Kitchener and Cambridge. If the occupiers are able to get their way in Caledonia through violence and intimidation, you might wake up next year to find your street under occupation. Matt Walcoff is a business reporter for The Record http://www.therecord.com/links/links_06060211027.html

http://frum.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGJ...jJjMDBhMDA2YjA= - Stop carving out special exemptions. One important reason that Western Muslims find it so difficult to speak forthrightly against Islamic terrorism is that too many of them want to preserve exceptions in favour of certain forms of terrorism: against India, against democratic Iraq, and above all against Israel. The trouble is, however, that many prominent Muslims inside Canada continue to insist on exceptions. The head of the Canadian Islamic Congress, one of the most visible of Canadian Muslim groups, stated in a television debate that any Israeli over the age of 18 was a legitimate target for suicide bombers, including women and civilians. The CIC has also publicly condemned the 149 Parliamentarians who voted to extend the Canadian mission to Afghanistan as "morally responsible" for any Canadian soldiers killed there - implying, it seems, that the actual terrorists who do the actual killing are not morally responsible for their actions.

Canada Nice The stance that Canada's role is that of traditional peacekeeping, is a nice little piece of revisionism largely created by the Liberals and the NDP. To me traditional means something that has been the way for a long, long time. My knowledge of Canadian history tells me that Canada was fighting with real guns and stuff in what was then the Great War and later on World War II. What do these guys think that Rememberance Day is all about? The traditional role of Canada is to defend the people of Canada and others in the world from those aggressors who wage war on freedom and democracy. A very interesting piece here: Self-Loathing and the Denial of Terrorism BY JAMES LILEKS You're an enlightened world citizen. Your T-shirt says "9/11 was an inside job." You're pretty sure we're living in a fascist state, that President Bush taps the Dixie Chicks' phones, Christian abortion clinic bombers outnumber jihadis, and the war on "terror" is a distraction from the real threats: carbon emissions and Pat Robertson. Then you learn that 17 people were arrested in a terrorist bomb plot. How do you process the information? Let's take it step by step. -snip Wait a minute: The "terrorists" were Canadian? You can understand someone blowing up trains in Spain and London. They sent troops to an illegal war cooked up by neocons who want to kill brown people for Exxon and Jesus, or something. You can understand, reluctantly, blowing up teens in an Israeli pizza parlor, because the Jews took the West Bank from the sovereign, ancient nation of Palestine. (How can a liberal socialist country behave so poorly? The world is full of mysteries.) But Canada? Isn't Michael Moore from Canada? You can get medical marijuana from married gay doctors in Canada, and no one has guns. You console yourself: Maybe they were really planning to attack the U.S. You realize the suspects were all Muslim, and you dread the inevitable pogroms. Haven't been any yet, but any day now. You read that a mosque was vandalized in Toronto after the arrest, and you feel a certain grim relief. Finally, racism! Banners. If you're going to have a march, you'll need banners. -snip- Maybe you could convince them to hold off while you fix Amerikkka. At least you can get it down to one k. Maybe if the Democrats take the House back. A 10-seat swing won't make the imams cool down, but 20 seats, in red states? Would that be a good-faith effort? You worry this will push Haditha off the front page. It's very important that everyone concentrate on the atrocities committed by U.S. troops every day. (It's such a relief not to have to pretend to support the troops anymore.) Anyway, nothing happened. Nothing blew up. If the suspects were planning something, they didn't do it, and this proves we can handle this as a law enforcement matter. Even though the police are racists. -snip- http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/lileks060706.html

First of all I agree that MLW is one of the better forums around for maturity and more reasonable opinions. I too have been reading some other websites, and find that one of the worst (worse than rabble) for conspiracy theories is canadawebpages.com where the underlying theme is: + scapegoating Muslims + a big plot by the gov't to scare people etc., (an explanation of how Harper could actually manipulate that many agencies, the media and that hundreds of people into doing this, is not provided. ) + these are simply innocent farmers + TV news and lies + and this one "I think the US goverment staged Roswell so that they could discredit all of the "conspiracy theorists" so that when they assasinate Kennedy, Martin Luther King, stage terrorist attacks & go to war with all kinds of small countries that anyone who says "wait a minute" is instantly discredited as a conspiracy theorist." IMHO, part of it is the left's hatred of Bush and the U.S. which transcends all reasonable thought process. They equate Harper with Bush and are willing to believe or promote anything which could discredit either of them. I'm not sure that a successful terrorist attempt with many people being killed would clue them in, as the same people believe 9/11 (and Oklahama T. McVeigh) were inside jobs. The only other explanation is delusional paranoia...

As Gilles Duceppe said: " it was either an error, as the parties opposed to the budget bill say, which shows that they are ''incompetent, or it was not an error and they are ''liars.'' ''Whether it's one or the other, they are not the required qualities for doing politics,'' Duceppe said. Hmmm, which is it, incompetent or liars ?

Well, at least the police chief is going to make sure that the mosque windows's are protected - glad of that

No they are not wrong, they are doing their jobs. These guys can't be all bad though, they were going to hit the CBC. I've been reading some other forums; meine gotte, I cannot believe the conspiracy theories. Why are people so anxious to discredit the RCMP, CSIS and the CPC gov't? What drives them to create and believe such fantasies?

Indeed. Using the same tactics in controlling the masses should also be frowned upon. You have to be joking if you actually believe that this is somehow a plot between Harper and all other agencies involved. This has been going on for two years, it started with the liberals, so how on earth could Harper have engineered it all. Talk about tinfoil hat time.

The usual suspects are spinning and weaving a plot to discredit the RCMP - it never ends. Rosie Dimano has a good article today. thestar.com/ http://tinyurl.com/mva87 e sickened. Be frightened. Be angry. But don't you dare be shocked. Unless you've been had. Either way, the time has long passed for domestic bliss born of ignorance, virtue and wilful denial. For everyone who thought Canada could cower in a corner of the planet, unnoticed and unthreatened by evil men — even when the most menacing of a very bad lot has twice referenced this country as a target for attack — take a good, hard look at what's been presented and what's being alleged-snip- These accused wanted, if intelligence experts are correct (and they've been wrong before), to kill you. Your children, your parents, your lovers, your neighbours. Wouldn't matter, the colour of your skin, your mother tongue, the God that you pray to or if you pray at all. Wouldn't matter even if you happen to equate George W. Bush with Osama bin Laden. The Jihad Generation — nothing alleged about it — makes no distinctions. Come such a day, Toronto will look like London ... Madrid ... Bali ... New York City. Blood streaming, mangled metal, severed limbs, inchoate rage and immeasurable grief. "This group posed a real and serious threat," said Mike McDonell, assistant RCMP commissioner in charge of criminal intelligence and national security. "It had the capacity and intent to carry out the attacks. Our investigation and . . . arrests prevented the assembly of any bombs and the attacks from being carried out." Further: "We must remain vigilant. Canada is susceptible to criminal terrorist activity as much as any other country." If such a thing had occurred, if it were still to occur, many would have cheered, if not overtly here in Canada, then without shame in distant places. And others, innumerable others, would turn themselves inside out to rationalize, exculpate, mitigate, mock, shift the blame to something societal or political or self-inflicted.

I wonder what these guys are listening to in the mosques, what are their Mullahs preaching that could push them into this. Who else are they listening to, (other than their parents). I just hope these charges stick because if they get off, it will just add fuel to the conspiracy fires, and fan the flames of left wing hatred for anything conservatives.