Black Dog

I posted three you dummy. No you don't. Republicans and Republican-leaning independents are more than twice as likely as Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents to say they own a gun. Owning a gun is associated with a dramatically elevated risk of suicide (because suicide attempts with a firearm are more likely to be successful). Therefore conservatives are more likely to blow their heads off than liberals/lefties. Now be a good right winger and go eat a bullet.

Also why is this in the federal politics section?

LOL you lie like other people breathe but it's clear that's the only way you can "win" an argument because you're sure not bringing facts or data to the table lol.

It's common sense that believers in an ideology that emphasizes rugged individualism, disdains expertise and prizes gun ownership would be less likely to seek professional help for mental health issues and more likely to splatter their brains all over their garage but the data actually backs that up: Suicide risk linked to rates of gun ownership, political conservatism Widening gap in death rates between Democrat and Republican in the US States with high suicide death rate vote much more Republican than Democratic and vice versa. And this doesn't even account for all the brain geniuses who took horsepaste during covid and ended up drowning in their own fluids lol.

I think this is easily explained by Conservatives being less likely to seek help for mental health problems (which is probably also why they are more likely to kill themselves).

It's two different pages from the same website. It's 2024 and you don't know how the internet works. Amazing. And my point is "I might be abused at some indeterminate point in the future" would not be considered a genuine risk. Not what I said, if you're going to be pedantic consider the context. And I've never seen anyone work harder to avoid providing cites while also lying about providing cites. If parents need to know the kid will tell them. It's not a teachers job to out kids. Period.

Hey you notice any similarities here? https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/News/SuccessStories/CARRT20Ann https://www.edmontonpolice.ca/CommunityPolicing/FamilyProtection/ChildProtection/CARRT No, they don't show anything about police investigating hypothetical concerns about future abuse. And what about all the other claims like "the number of trans kids who get abused is next to zero"? Where's the "data" you're talking about? No what's hilarious is you pretending you're winning this argument when it's just an endless firehose of bullshit like all your other arguments. Anyone with an ounce of self awareness would be embarrassed but that's not you. Which claims specifically?

Two of those links were to the same website you dummy, you're counting the same website twice. unreal. So now you're counting any link on another web page, relevant or not, as a cite? lol you're so cooked. Cites and links that don't actually support any of the myriad insane claims you made. Just give up man, this is getting pathetic.

It was one source in the last 6 pages, a grand total of two sources overall including the OP. And no, there's no stats or links in those links to the CARRT program (one of which was a link to a story about the program from 2015). No links to "bc's and the associated websites and links therein." Nothing. You're busted, you're cooked, give up.

What is the House of Saxecoburg and Gotha to this son of the steppe?

Again: the only "data" you posted was two links from the EPS CARRT program website. Nope. This is the only post you've included links in the last like 6 pages: I've scanned the whole thread from page one in case there was something you posted before I entered the thread and in dozens of posts, you've posted exactly three links: one in the OP to NYT editorial and two to the EPS website above. At this point, I'm not sure if you believe your own lies or if you're too dumb to keep track of what you've posted, but it's pretty easy to go back and see what you did and did not post. So I'll just add that to the ever-growing pile of horseshit you've claimed and not backed up. I never promised you any quotes. You made the claim that the number was "next to zero", you back it up dipshit.

I was curious so I just went back over the last 6 pages of this thread and can confirm you didn't post any data at all. No cites, no links, nothing.The only links you've provided this whole time were the links to the Edmonton CARRT website. That's it. So yeah: that's the crack pipe talking to you. LOL, get rekt. Nah, I don't believe you. Because you lie. Oh so now you expect teachers to make clinical diagnoses as part of their jobs? I don't think a pathological liar like you should be talking about dishonesty. This just once again proves how tenuous your grasp on the arguments are and why you should stfu. My assumption is most parents whose kids are going through some sort of gender questioning will probably know what's up, especially if those kids have acute gender dysphoria. The only cases I'm talking about is when a kid explicitly asks their parents not be informed because of a fear of abuse, which any responsible adult should take seriously. But you want teachers to out students whether they consent to it or not. Shameful. The victim/persecution complex you have is really something given that you're an aggressive a$$hole.

So you don't think there's any kids out there whose parents might abuse them if they find out they're trans but not otherwise? This problem is vastly overstated and is not what we're talking about here, which is social transitioning at school. But that's all we've talking about! No one is saying teachers should buy kids hormones or anything like that. Also lot of right wing types think any instruction about sex of gender of any kind is brainwashing so I don't put a lot of stock in these "they're pushing gender" narratives. I agree there needs to be more and better research on the relationship between gender questioning, other mental health issues and domestic abuse. But (see next point). What it boils down to for me is I don't think teachers should out kids to parents against their wishes whether the kid is gay, trans, ace, enby or whetever. IDK, I only see one side using the coercive power of the state to enforce gender norms.

It's funny you guys constantly invoke all these terrible and inaccurate analogies becaus eyou're incapable of addrssing the arguments on their own terms. You're lying again. No one said anything about lying to parents, liar. I'm basing it on the DSM-5-TR definition of gender dysphoria. Because if the kid wants their parents to know they would tell them and not ask someone else to keep their confidence. duh. Maybe that's how you roll but most smart people can tell the difference between an adult saying "don't tell anyone this happened" and a kid asking someone to not say anything to their parents about something they might not accept. Yeah was that at the same school where the kids were identifying as cats and using litterboxes? This isn't "Tommy isn't taking his insulin" or "Sally told me she has an eating disorder" and the fact you think of this issue in terms of harmful pathologies says a lot. You and facts and reason aren't acquainted in the slightest. NGMI.

We're not necessarily talking about kids with a medical diagnoses of gender dysphoria. The usual source being whatever crack pipe you've ben hitting today. There's a difference between questioning or experimenting with gender and deep, persistent gender dysphoria. So having trusted adults who won't betray a kid's confidence is "teaching them to keep secrets". Uh huh. The fact you think this is the issue shows you are completely disconnected from reality. No hope.

Explain.

You keep talking about medical decisions. What medical decisions? When it comes to kid's safety, I'd prefer they err on the side of caution if the student has expressed concerns. But to take your analogy, you're saying kids shouldn't be allowed to experiment with being bi or goth. If the extent of the school's involvement was respecting the kid's choice of name and pronouns, then your lawsuit is doomed. What constitutes "reasonable" to you? Seventy-three percent of transgender adolescents reported psychological abuse, 39% reported physical abuse, and 19% reported sexual abuse. Even if we accept that what "medical decisions" are the teachers making?

Funny a.f. watching conservatives on here lose their minds when they discover there's no such thing as a free lunch. Sorry honey, you aren't entitled to store your private vehicle on Toronto's already crowded streets for free.

So you don't trust teachers to make judgements about basically anything but you expect judgments about the actual level of danger a kid faces at home? So if a kid goes to a teacher and says "I'm trans but my dad will beat the shit out of me if he finds out" you think the teacher should tell the parents anyway? I don't think it's that black and white. You seem to think I'm talking about a kid coming from an abusive environment when I'm actually talking about an environment where abuse is a possibility only if the parents find out about the kid's gender identity. Not trying to be insulting but i don't feel you're actually addressing teh issues i'm raising but retreating to talking points. We're not talking about medical care, you're moving the goalposts.

Yes yes you keep saying but you aren't dealing with the specificss at all. But you are entrusting a babysitter with your kid's safety and well-being, you wouldn't want them to make any decision that would risk those. but you would force teachers to do exactly that. I don't think using a different name or wearing different clothes qualifies. Certainly not to the same degree as revealing sensitive information about gender to a parent who is not supportive i feel like I'm talking to an AI chatbot at this point. This doesn't make sense because the gym teacher is the individual who would be doing the flagging. No one is asking the math teacher to go to the parent's house and confront them. It is wild me you think it's a bigger deal for teachers to not tell parents something their student asked them not to than it is for the same teacher to call the cops on the parents. OK what specific risks are you talking about.

But that's not the scenario described. the scenario was a kid who feared their parents might possibly abuse them, if they learn their trans. This isn't "my dad is drunk and he's threatening me with a tire iron" or "my mom off her meds and acting erratically I'm scared of her." In other words: I do not believe the hypothetical threat of abuse discussed would be sufficient to warrant an investigation, nor would such an investigation be appropriate given the whole point is that the kid doesn't want their parents to know they're trans in the first place. Ah yes the genuine risk that you don't even believe exists in such cases. Go f**k yourself with some rusty barbed wire you dink.

I legit don't know what to say someone who is too stupid to parse the difference between "Incidents involving imminent risk to children caused by neglect and/or physical or sexual abuse" and the fear that some form of abuse may take place at some possible point in the future. It's incredible, but honestly not that surprising given the sheer volume of dumb shit you pump out like when you claimed the number of trans kids who face abuse or mistreatment by their parents when they come out is "next to zero" and "it's the lefties who are making the claim that no right wing home is supportive." Post more emojis about it you boomer loser.

No I'm asking you as the guy with daddy Putin's balls so deep in his mouth they're coming out your ears.

How is that an analogous situation? Again the teacher isn't making any "gender based decisions" by respecting their wish to not tell the parents. A distinction without a difference IMO. So if a student is troubled because they are scared to come out to their parents and tries to confide in a trusted adult teacher, you want that teacher to what, tell them to f*ck off? I'm sure that'll do wonders for the kid's mental health! Fact is these conversations are likely to happen whether you like it or not and the potential negative consequences of outing students to their parents against their wishes are much greater imo than respecting them. Except when you and your kids to the public school system you are quite literally entrusting their lives and safety to teachers with the expectation that they'll be looked after. Protecting kids is a shared responsibility IMO. Outing a child to potentially unsupportive parents is deeply unethical. Who said they had to lie? Why would it need to be mentioned at all in this context? "They're doing fine, their grades are good." boom, conversation over. So you understand that kids sometimes need protection from their parents, yet you support a policy that could put kids at risk, a fact you refuse to even acknowledge.