Michael Hardner

Protest in Korea... My guess on this hasn't changed: -Immigration policy is complicated, and ICE was dispatched for quick effectiveness and shock not attention to detail, so this isn't surprising -It's also not worrying: I doubt anyone is going to change their onshoring policy as a result People in the middle will not defend ICE against their sloppy methods, nor will they overstate the impact of these screw-ups. Immigration is difficult (as is healthcare)...

1. Note that I have stated that there are issues with both sides, and condemned the violence yet you feel a need to box me in as an enemy of some kind. You, on the other hand, blame "the left".

I see the same thing from both sides. The Minnesota killings caused the same, exact same reaction, from Democrat supporters. Pretty clear that unless people denounce violence from their own side, nothing is going to happen. I deplore political violence everywhere, assassination attempts, assaults, and killings. The people on here use inflammatory language, calling for the eradication of their opponents.. laughing at violence. These same people try to moralize. It has me shaking my head. I'm not talking about you here.

Also Orwell: "I have seen wonderful things and at last really believe in Socialism, which I never did before."[

I was going to take the night off but man are you wrong about this. You're wrong but a lot of things actually, come to think of it. From my conversations with him offline, he was more right-wing than most on here.

Sorry you're right.

Who started it when you posted, about Paul Pelosi? "Poor Paul. He should know better than to keep crazy people as gay boyfriends. "

So it's true that you ban Leftys? It sounds like you're against a particular political type. People made fun of Paul Pelosi being attacked and nothing came of it. Not complaining, exactly. I'm still here, posting solid gold every day 🙂 I don't know, I respect what you've done here but Anthony was the biggest arbiter of objectivity on here IMO Anyway, moving on...

Just a question: why do you only ban lefty-wing posters? Lots of right wingers made fun of Pelosi's husband getting atta@cked as I recall. Boges, Black Dog, waldo though... Of course as a conservative, I feel safe in asking you this.

I don't know if you can to apply morality, or even if there's a point to trying to do so. Pretty much everything is politically tenable now, and so the constraints are what is physically possible.

Well the government is punishing the people who were compliant to those policies. They no longer support them but the rules haven't been completely changed in practice. Of course you can sympathize with those caught in the middle. Who were stationed in the US for work and then jailed due to a gap in between policies.

How many were released?😕

Take ownership? Find a scapegoat? Resign?

My point is there are two threads on this.

Also

1. Don't blame Trump. He wanted quick action on immigration and delivered that. (And I don't believe I seem to be defending him but here we are). The thing is if you're going to make a bunch of omelettes then eggs will be broken. People deported mistakenly, etc. So that's part of this. If you blame him then you're blaming his policy which I doubt is your intention. The Visa system is complicated and fuzzy. You can't expect ICE to be right 100% of the time. 2. That takes a long time and he's saddled with decades of past policy on that. 3. And here I am helping you out, to continue loving Trump.... what a great guy I am... Yeah, but we had a bit of a mutual understanding there... ICE is designed to be fast, not accurate.

1. And most of them appear to have had VISAs are are returning to South Korea. It's a setback for Hyundai which was working within the Trump plan. My take is that it was an error. 2. I think the construction workers who were busted would need to be replaced by Americans but the Koreans will likely be replaced by other Koreans, just with the right VISA. 3. Well, yeah, you don't care. That's obvious. What doesn't make sense is why you're talking with me, then. Let me fix that... 🤔

1. That doesn't answer the question to figure out what happened here though. 2. Yes and that is what Hyundai is doing. Feels like we're not on the same page with this part of the discussion.

How would a deep dive into this incident answer THAT question now ? The plant isn't even open yet. Non-sequitur.

What ? The joke ? Tough crowd.... 🤨

1. I'm sure it would be easy to cite sources, including the White House Press, that frames the story differently. The point is: we don't have to do that on here. We can go to primary sources, as well as the aforementioned sources and piece together something that makes more sense. 2. People can read into my methods what they will. I don't know who respects me and who doesn't. 3. I myself have TDS ! Only paxamericana acknowledged my admission/joke !

My point is that it was hard to figure out what was going on. For example, the title of the thread would lead one to believe that the factory was operational. I thought that too when I heard the initial report. If you travel to the US for professional work, as I have, there are various visas that you are supposed to get. When you were asked at the border why you or visiting the US... Business or pleasure.... You say business. Then you explain generally what you're doing. If you have a Visa they tend to let you pass. At least they used to. But what you do when you get there can be a little fuzzy according to what the Visa is. You're doing training? Are you allowed to operate the machine training on? Generally, nobody checks. But if there is an ICE then that's a different thing. But I also don't think this is going to have an impact on the onshoring process for this factory or generally. After all, Hyundai is doing exactly what the US government wants them to do.

https://apnews.com/article/us-south-korea-ice-raid-georgia-hyundai-ee8781d965c74a5ee18525ce87959ba4 From what I've read the attorneys insist that contractors had papers. And 300 are being let go. I think they were targeting the construction workers building the plant.

I suspect that the administration is apologizing behind the scenes. After all, Hyundai was doing what they want them to do: onshoring. How about the great US media machine eh? They really got to the bottom of the story 🤣

1. What? No way. 2. Seems like it.