betsy

Question for you , why do you have to label and compartmentalize everyone, does it make it easier for you? Eh? Come again? No, you clarify. Why do you say that?

Oh I thought it's understood I'd said goodbye to you too since I'd already waved bye-bye to your clone. Heh-heh....anyway...yep, indeed there's a yummy irony in all of this. And just in case you didn't get it, read what you've just written carefully! And like I said to the other.... THINK, GIRL! Think what comes out of that mouth. You only perpetuate the stereotyping of women! I only hope you two are not university students. It wouldn't bode well for the future of women in leadership roles, to say nothing of how it would reflect on the quality of your particular institution. I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT I THINK! And here’s your very own hasta la vista!

Okay, I just want to know where you guys (Kuzadd and Figleaf), are coming from, obviously your rabid anti-religion (specifically anti-Christianity) is quite intriguing....and on numerous times, quite baffling. I know Jbg is a Jew. And I think if I'm not mistaken, so is M.Dancer. And correct me if I'm wrong, Cybercoma is an Atheist. Newbie is Agnostic. And as you well know, I'm a Christian. But what about you, Figleaf and Kuzadd? Are you Agnostics or Atheists? Or are you Muslims?

Ever heard the term 'self-fulfilling prophesy'? Explain please.

It may be a religious war in the eyes of the extremists, but I think it would be a sad mistake for us to adopt their faulty and counterproductive worldview. George Wealth-destroyer Bush has already blundered by calling this challenge a 'war'. It's not a war. It's the responsible states of the world acting against criminal nutbars. Calling it war gives them a level of credibility they don't deserve. Eh? If it's a criminal act and not war, maybe we can throw them all in jail! Maybe we can open a jail in Cuba. It's obviously a war. If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, and quacks like a duck....it probably is a duck.

You may want to cling to what YOU THINK....but that doesn't mean it is so. Why would some words of some author be taken as fact? His is just a theory! One thing very clear is the very reason behind the suicide bombers willingness to die....MARTYRDOM in the name of Allah! That, my dear, is fact!

And what's wrong with that, may I ask???? You can't be serious. What's wrong is: 1. Satan doesn't exist. 2. If he did exist, he isn't some petty earthly warlord. 3. Demonizing the enemy with absurd mythological references puts blinders on your own ability to perceive and act correctly. The colonel was uttering purest crapshit, and seems to me to lack the desireable level of professionalism. Are you for real??? This is war! Who cares if Satan is real or not! The colonel could just as well shout and spur his men on with the fierce battlecry, "Let's get the Toothfairy!" If that would spur the men...why not? Hey, whatever works! You should see the movie Braveheart for a good sample of good old fashion troop rallying! Wait a minute....don't tell me there's a provision in the Geneva Convention saying anything about "misrepresentation?"......against uttering "purest crapshit?" Holy tamolly....did you say professionalism????? Dealing with barbarians???? LOL! Unbelievable....

Hmm-h-hmm.

I hate to be too brutally honest, but you truly do seem to be a dull person. I simply say here that all that can be concluded from the fact that fewer women are in positions of power is that they haven't exercised their abilities. Unlike you, I understand that the evidence supports nothing else. Unlike you I don't conclude that men have conspired against women, that they aren't capable, that they didn't feel like it, or anything else you might dream up. One might, as you do. But one would be wrong, as you are. Reread the above concerning making unwarranted inferences from the evidence at hand starting at "I hate to be too brutally honest, but..." Then you said in a typically brilliant come-back: "What evidence?" Note: I said it would lead a LOGICAL person to conclude... What evidence? Yes there is, nya-nya-nya. Furthermore, that strong historical evidence that doesn't exist seems to exist when YOU want to base a nonsensical premise on it. As I said (what seems) long ago, history doesn't discriminate, it's just the evidence. I might add that it's evidence that is almost always misused in an attempt to distort the truth. And on and on it goes. If I continued with this I'd truly have to question my own abilities. However I do have a story for you, B. Dog. I've had dogs all my life. Most have been quite clever as far as cleverness goes in dogs - dogs of all colours and stripes. But they all give themselves away, demonstrate that their thinking processes lack reason, in one telling trait. Before a dog lies down, he circles and circles and circles. If one was not familiar with this trait in dogs, one might assume that some amount of reasoning was going on as he circles and circles and circles. There's not. He just does it because he's always done it. Finally he lies down and sleeps. I'm sure he has many dog-thoughts running through his head - chasing squirrels, birds, maybe girl dogs (I'd call them bitches but...well, you've probably heard that that's an insult to women - people running in your circle would probably support that reversed analogy, but I digress). But reason he does not have. He proves that lack of reason by doing the very same thing again - over and over - circling. Hasta la Vista.

You may want to delude yourself into thinking otherwise, but the fact is the war on terror is actually a religious war! It is a war between the Islamist fundamentalists who want to rid the world of all infidels (non-Islam believers) that includes the agnostics/atheists, and the infidels who want to maintain their rights to exercise their freedom and very existence! People like you are actually caught in the middle. You want to play referee (leaning more towards the enemy).....well, I wish you'd all go have a good little parlay with the enemies and convince them to let you practice freely what you believe in (permissive sex and abortion, SSM, women's power..)! If ever we end up being under the Islam fundamentalists and they are to choose who to exterminate pronto without batting an eye, based on their fundamental beliefs (in other words, who would they rather spare and have living among them)....who do you think will become extinct first? People like you (who represents all the corruptions that they see in a western world), or Christians?

And what's wrong with that, may I ask???? Haven't you heard of RALLYING THE TROOPS? In the old days, they used their king or their queen as a rallying cry! I would say this colonel is quite smart! Yes, he used faith to spur his men....knowing the power of fighting for one's belief! The enemy uses the same tactic!

I understand what you mean, and I agree with you. One thing we can do is to remind these people when they are being disruptive, right on the spot! Sometimes we need to get into an "in-your-face" attitude to those who do these things intentionally, and get to the point of it....no beating around the bush. They disrupt or distract because they do not agree to the subject or the way the opinions are headed (which is against their own opinion)...so they'd rather shut down the discussion. It's like, "if I don't like the subject and if I don't approve with your reasons, then nobody gets to discuss this! Thread over." Their behaviour is a form of bullying...and you stand up to bullies! Sometimes the instigator starts and a few posters takes the bait and get sidetracked. We could only remind them, and get the discussion right back on track. If they still persist, then we know it's being deliberately done. Challenge them by bluntly pointing out their disruptive behaviour! I'd mention their names! Quote or support your accusation with a link so they understand what exactly is it that we're complaining about. But like I said, usually the disruption is not intentional. I myself had been guilty of these crime. Most of us will comply and get back in line when reminded that we're disrupting the real issue of the discussion. A person who gets challenged often enough will find that she/he will eventually get that stigma....and they end up losing their credibility. Who takes the opinions of lunatic extremists seriously? That's what I'm doing from now on. If we all try to do this, I'm sure disruptive behaviours will dramatically lessen. If they persist, then it's up to the complaining individual if he/she wants to report it to Greg. I, personally, save the "reporting" part for things I consider very serious.

Wow, that sounds definitive. Newbie, where do you stand right now? Do you believe in God at all? Are you just against religion? Or are you just attempting humour like the "second chance" humor you gave back there? I may be wrong, but you seem to be angry. That anger is what's fueling your views.

If you want a PUBLIC FORUM, it has to remain public.....and censorship is not acceptable, or reasonable. You have to accept that there will be opinions you won't agree with, and learn to deal with it in whatever way you choose. August, if you want to set up an EXCLUSIVE FORUM, where you choose participants based on topic, level of education, or (he-he) intelligence, set one up with a system of application. Verifiable to whatever degree you think is important. The idea of censoring a public forum is somewhat offensive, unless your main objective is to CONTROL content.

WELL KUZADD....For once we agree!

Yes, very scary indeed. Especially when you think of possible terrorist attacks by tampering with our food supply....through food products that come from other countries. If it's a slow-acting poison, imagine how many people will be affected before it's even discovered.

What do you mean by "belief without reason?" It could mean concievably belief without any reasons to believe. It could mean faith. Or it could mean, belief without reasoning. And if you mean belief without reasoning, that could mean the ignorant unable to read the bible for example are basing their belief completely on faith. Of course today we have the benefit of scholarship and fortunately many of can benefit from a clearer understanding of the Word of God from the Bible.

What's this honor killing got to do with Christianity???? HEADLINE: YOUNG GIRL, RAPED AND MURDERED BY 1. Christian Fundamentalist 2. Hutu Warrior 3. Taliban insurgent 4. Liberal Leftwing Loonie 5. Mapleleaf Forum poster WHICH DO YOU FIND MOST OFFENSIVE??? Should a group only rape and murder according to the percentage the group represents in the population? Are groups being greedy by taking more than their share? Or shirking their responsibility by not doing enough? Get a grip.

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This is the first time I've heard of this group. Just another bunch of loonies. It is for God to judge.

Of course, the men in your life would only humour you hon -- You've already admitted that because of your gender you are worth less and therefore are treated as such. Of course the men in your life know exactly what to say to you -- "where's my socks? When's dinner". No need to worry your pretty little fragile female psyche with anything more profound -- you might just get "hysterical" if called on for your opinion on more important matters. Lol.

Well, if that's what you managed to understand from all that's been said....point by point....day after day....then what's the point of talking to you? You couldn't be farther from an understanding of the discussion if you'd been on another planet. Oh boy..... Maybe your husband and brother know you too well....and are just humoring you. They don't know what to say to you. Heck, maybe they're even terrified of you! Who knows. Anyway, hasta la vista!

Drea and Catchme: Speaking of "brainwash".... At least I have shown how firmly I stand by my aruguments....and have supported my arguments in detailed explanations. Whereas those of you who have the gall to call me brainwashed have been spouting the incantations of radical feminists, ad nauseum. I swear you two are reading from the same book! You are clearly of one mind! Too bad you have to share it!

Sounds like a drive-by shooting! But you forgot your gun. Catchme if you can.