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She didn't come forward. Somebody unearthed an old editorial.

It isn't going away. Yesterday in Calgary - after announcing some spendings - the groping incident was the first question to come up. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-liberals-sexual-harassment-hehr-1.4507704 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/brown-hehr-me-too-analysis-wherry-1.4503839 The Oppositions should bring this up when they come back. They have to resolve this....whether the media coverage die out or not. It's counter-productive for them to tackle sexual assaults/harassment in the workplace (Parliament) while the PM himself is in question. Women MPs especially, should be adamant about this.

https://www.usatoday.com/media/cinematic/video/36590583/justin-trudeau-i-dont-remember-groping-reporter/ That's what Kevin Spacey said: https://video.foxnews.com/v/5629932215001/?#sp=show-clips

....and those debts are mounting...... Every time he opens his mouth is to announce more spending..........that is, when he's not responding to the groping allegation.

It shouldn't be difficult in this topic, after all the title says it all.

True, generally speaking about the Bible, there are varying interpretation (so many of them) - but we can find out which interpretations are true by studying the Bible. Isn't that a warning repeated several times by Christ? Remember that "I never knew you" verse....which is aimed at Christians? Matthew 7:21-23 If our purpose for becoming Christians is salvation and eternal life........then, the onus is on us to really know and understand what is expected from us - the requirements - to attain our end goals. Otherwise.....why bother? What's the point of going through all the posturing? OBEDIENCE is a huge part of it! You cannot say you've got faith in Christ if you don't practice obedience! Obey what exactly? We've got to know and understand what we're supposed to obey! Like we know we shouldn't put anyone, or anything above God, is one. Of course, non-believers (most, if not all of them whom I've encountered on forums), hardly understand what they're criticizing about. Like some samples here. They keep injecting their secular opinion in a religious doctrine - which is contradictory in itself! How can a non-believer even imagine her secular opinion is valid when we're talking about a very specific subject - Homosexuality in the Bible? The only relevancy I could think of would be that the Bible more likely associates them as a tool of Satan, trying to deceive and confuse us! Or, as an example of those who are "scoffers," or, spiritually lost and spiritually blind, and deaf! 1 Corinthians 2:14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. It's quite jaw-dropping how some posters can be so lucid and sensible in their arguments at other topics, and yet prove to be so.......irrational.....and cannot grasp and understand what is so simple when it comes to the Bible. Like, why is science's opinion irrelevant to this particular subject! Science, irrelevant to this topic - how can that be so hard to understand.....especially by those who can sensibly discuss in other topics? We know they're not dumb.....but why do they end up responding like so? As a religious, of course this verse comes to mind. Maybe, their presence in threads like this has a purpose. More aimed at believers, I suppose, showing them how some non-believers struggle! Like, these non-believers serve as samples! In black and white. It explains why some minds are unable to comprehend. ....supporting and vindicating the verses! Isaiah 44:18 They do not know, nor do they understand, for He has smeared over their eyes so that they cannot see and their hearts so that they cannot comprehend. Examples of some distorted interpretations: Christ is not a deity. Jesus is not God Himself, incarnate (which I tackled in another forum - a thread created solely for proving that He is). https://www.debatepolitics.com/theology/309564-god-himself-them.html Read this Homosexuality topic's OP, and a few posts after that. I tackled some interpretations with Biblical statements.

For the last time, let me repeat to you: this is a thread about the Scripture's stance on homosexuality. So of course, the only opinion that matters would be that of the Bible. The title of this thread is very clear. Homosexuality in the Bible. Can't get any clearer than that. If you don't agree with the title, and the stated purpose of this thread......... that's not my problem. Create your own thread to discuss how you want homosexuality to be discussed.

Now, to get back on topic, let me re-post a statement in the OP. This is the thread to discuss whether homosexuality indeed, is not acceptable to God, or if it is.

EHHH? Hahahahahahaha Bye Goddess. Enough derailment. Let's get back on topic.

There. You didn't comprehend again. Science is not irrelevant to me. Science is irrelevant to this topic. Somehow, you seem to have a terrible time grasping that.

Why would it be irrelevant when it's the very subject? One reason I created this thread is because of the incessant repetition of ignorance that Christ/God didn't say anything against homosexuality. It would be irrelevant to non-believers......but if non-believers keep coming to this thread and arguing about it, maybe it's not so irrelevant to them after all. At least, that's what it seems like. How can something irrelevant to a person bother that person.....to the point that they'd care enough to come in this thread, respond and debate about it?

Lol. Another foolish response! Science arguments are irrelevant! READ THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD!! HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE BIBLE! Do you comprehend why science would be irrelevant?

....because, it's obvious. You don't think straight.........you don't see straight. You give such foolish responses when it comes to LGBT issues. You shouldn't respond with your emotions.

EH? Who's claiming that???? Where did you read that?? Why should i waste my time doing that? You can't even get the issue straight! It's obvious - you've got comprehension issues! Help yourself! Review the Court Rulings!! I don't have to spoon-feed you every step of the way!

Right on cue.......on the heels of Dialamah.......... You really remind me of an echo..... Well........that's another ignorance on Christianity. If we're supposed to spread the Gospel - we can't pick and choose the message. The purpose of spreading the Word is for salvation of men - that they may have eternal life. REPENTANCE is very much a part of it. How can a Christian be mum on sins that are stipulated in the Scriptures? What's the point of teaching, "have faith in Christ," when obedience goes hand in hand with having faith? If we say, adultery is forbidden, it is a sin - does that mean we hate adulterers? hello? If we try to warn a smoker, "smoking can get you cancer" - you equate that to hating smokers? What kind of logic is that? People who don't believe in God....and who don't like the teachings of Christ, shouldn't be dictating how a Christian is supposed to practice his religion. That's when we say....."mind your own business. Create your own religion." An opinion that results from ignorance............ or malicious interpretation.........or, comprehension issues. If I think like you, I'd say you guys hate Christians! Or, religious people! You're denying our rights to religious freedom, and expression. It's government, right? Rulers. Leaders. Christians are supposed to choose leaders who have fear of God. If you know the Old testament - and we know you don't - you'd understand about that. Unfortunately, some folks not only can't get the difference.....but they spout off opinions that are based on ignorance - which renders them spouting off........... nonsense.

Upholding the teachings of Christ is one thing..........hating someone, is another. Unfortunately, some folks just can't get the difference between the two.....or simply refuse to acknowledge it.

Oh yeah, you got that right! Indeed, so apparent. Here's another hypocrisy: These same people so-called progressives/leftist are so anal about inclusivity.........and yet they fight tooth and nail, to exclude - and murder - their own flesh and blood!

....because, for all the small town touring Trudeau had done.......he didn't really listen to people.

Btw........with all the contraceptives available, and all the information and education......... ............why are you blaming other people for the unwanted pregnancy?

My, aren't we so self-righteous, huh? And.....so judgemental of a particular group! Though there are religious people who are against abortion - there are atheists too that are against it. Here is one: About Pro-Life Humanists http://www.prolifehumanists.org/ This is about HUMAN RIGHTS! You have a beef with Catholics - fine. You've got a yuuuuge problem with religion, and God. That's your problem. But, it is so petty and.....irrational....... when you use it for an argument on something about human rights. You're trying to make this simply a "religious" stance. Either you're ill-informed (you didn't know that there are pro-life atheist groups, that this is about human rights), or you're simply narrow-minded, trying to demonize religion, or use religion to diminish the importance of fighting for the unborn's rights! If the unborn is a human being - he must be entitled to the same rights as you and I. We don't discriminate, right? If there's anyone hypocritical - it would be those who call themselves advocates of human rights and equality - and yet, they support the discrimination and oppression of a human being based on his age (and his status in life as someone who cannot support himself), stripping him of his humanity, and advocating for his murder! Hello? When we talk "equality" - we don't get to "pick and choose" groups that are treated with such. No one is given the privilege to be above someone, or above all! No one is beneath others! E Q U A L I T Y. Well.....so many people on this earth cannot support themselves. They can't live without any support! They're all like the fetus dependent on the womb of the government - relying on taxpayers! So, there! A lot of children are born into poverty.....by your rationale, they would all be better off dead. Lol. I don't know what circumstances had sucked the fighting spirit out from you, but it's comforting to know that some are not so easily defeated by poverty. So many people had risen above poverty WITHOUT THE SOCIALIST kind of "aid" that many feel like they're entitled to......that all hope is gone without it, that they just prefer to shrivel up and die. A socialist mentality is CRIPPLING! It depends on what one defines as a "success." To some, success is measured by the luxuries they can afford. It's all tied to material things. These folks are usually the type of folks who end up needing to talk to therapists at the end of the day......life had let them down. It doesn't take much to knock them down either - all it takes is losing a job......or a promotion.......or unable to get a career going.......or getting bankrupt........ For some, being a "success" is all about getting rich.....or having a lucrative career.....or to be able to afford that big car, and that big estate house with a pool. A woman can't feel fulfilled in life just being a wife and a mother - even women who can afford so easily to be just that - like as if those roles don't amount to anything at all, thanks to feminism for that! These days, you've got to be SUPER-MOM! Whether you like it or not - being just mom, isn't good enough. Anyway, even men expect that from their future wives now. Someone who can bring in some cash, AND be wife and mom! That's the bed we made for the new generation of women. I bet so many women are suffering in silence from all the pressures - but they don't have the courage to speak out. Life on earth must be hell for those who can't find happiness and contentment in life, in whatever situation you are in. No wonder - in this time of supposed progress - being a therapist has become a lucrative career - and, we see so many suicides (and murder-suicides). I suppose it makes it so much worse when, what you believe you're entitled to, hasn't come through. Just simple suicide, isn't good enough these days. You gotta send a statement! There's so much anger and terrible resentment all the way to the end! What a bummer. Especially when you believe this is all the life you'll ever get. That, there's no other after it.

For all the botch-up decisions he's made, YES!

Though majority doesn't want to overturn RvW.....majority, wants restrictions on abortion. https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/01/18/poll-shows-strong-majority-americans-want-restrictions-abortion Here is an interesting read. What could happen if Roe v Wade gets struck down? https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/abortion-rights-supreme-court/?utm_term=.8a8b57aaf183

We'll have to wait and see what happens next.