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Suppose Dick Cheney had Haliburton generate Iraq war / Haliburton commemorative pens for all the corporate heads of the companies that are privatizing Iraq. Suppose the pens costed $500.00 each but were sold to the Pentagon at $10 billion each. The money needed to buy the pens would be borrowed from the bankers. The bankers would make more money on the deal than anyone else. They would create the 10 billion needed for each of the pens from nothing. The bankers bring nothing to the table other than the ability to print currency. They make 10 billion for each pen where the rest of them get $10 billion minus the $500.00 cost of production. This works well for bankers and in the same sense war does. Our central banks want to own their central banks and convert the countries financial system over to the IMF system. The banks can therefore collect tax from the labour of the people. This is why we have a "war on terror". These countries that are listed as "rogue nations" do not have our central banks owning their central banks. Leaders that represent the people get military coups, terrorist attacks (Iran 1950 's), etc, and govs get replaced with ones open to the idea of going under the IMF with bribes, etc as encouragement. We put criminals into power in both Afganistan & Haiti when we go to war with them so that our central banks & corporations can enslave their populations. A seminal book on this is Economic Hit Men by John Perkins. Its quoted all the time.

There is no reason for the bankers to get all that seignorage. They run the banks for their own interest, if the banks were run in the public interest the gov would get the seignorage and there would be no national debt or infrastructure debt. Ceasar was killed because he wanted to change a similar system. Jesus Christ said "throw the money changers from the temples", all US presidents that were assassinated wanted to print off US gov currency and have the gov get this seignorage. The current system has the banks functioning no differently than counterfeiters. It must really be the banks that run things in order for this to happen.

ROTFLMAO !! The difference between the value printed on a bill and the cost to actually produce the money is called seignorage. In the case of our system, that seignorage is given to the private bank. When you borrow 10,000 to buy a car that $10,000.00 gets created by the bankers. Sometimes they need to put something up for it and that is YOUR collateral. The only way a dollar ever comes into existence is if it is lent to someone. This means every dollar out there in existence is earning interest for the bankers. Its a debt based fiat currency- it is the most oppressive form of currency but is one thing all "Western Democracies" have in common. Private bankers own and operate the currency supply and become very rich while doing it. Only a government that was being controlled by private bankers would ever allow a system like this to exist. Its been called the ultimate hoax by too many different people all throughout history. There are societies, both UK & Canada have political parties based on monetary reform and putting the seignorage back into the hands of the people. If this could ever be made to happen it would change our society dramatically for the better. It would practically elliminate wars if all other societies did it as well, no more income tax, no more "national debt" - the idea is absurd that gov would borrow money at face value from private bankers who only print it off when they can print it off themselves (its in the laws). Private bankers use their wealth to direct society through think tanks and focus groups. Both the Rockefeller Republicans (Bush) and Rockefeller Democrats (Kerry) were really the same party with the same objective. "Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money ." - Sir Josiah Stamp, Director of the Bank of England (in the 1920s); reputed to be the 2nd wealthiest man in England at that time - from site http://www.themoneymasters.com/ Also see Mon Monopoly Men - free on google video -The Creature From Jekyll Island (book) -Money (John Kenneth Galbraith) This is the great big secret of our civilization that the powers do not want you to know or understand. I learned about it in economics 101 but they actual mechanism of some of this was "skated around" by my economics prof.

You guys should wake up instead of making stupid comments because everything in that post is 100 % true and I have around ten books about money that will tell you the same thing- some by mainstream economists and historians. There are also multiple videos. None are so stupid as to be in favour of their own slavery.

A Phone Call To The Federal Reserve Bank in San Francisco - from Dan Benham, Nov 24, 2005 (Posted here: Dec 04, 2005) http://www.illuminati-news.com/phone-call-to-fed-reserve.htm see text in bold The following is a conversation with Mr. Ron Supinski of the Public Information Department of the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank. This is an account of that conversation. CALLER - Mr. Supinski, does my country own the Federal Reserve System? MR. SUPINSKI - We are an agency of the government. CALLER - That's not my question. Is it owned by my country? MR. SUPINSKI - It is an agency of the government created by congress. CALLER - Is the Federal Reserve a Corporation? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes CALLER - Does my government own any of the stock in the Federal Reserve? MR. SUPINSKI - No, it is owned by the member banks. CALLER - Are the member banks private corporations? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes CALLER - Are Federal Reserve Notes backed by anything? MR. SUPINSKI-Yes, by the assets of the Federal Reserve but, primarily by the power of congress to lay tax on the people. CALLER - Did you say, by the power to collect taxes is what backs Federal Reserve Notes? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes CALLER - What are the total assets of the Federal Reserve? MR. SUPINSKI - The San Francisco Bank has $36 Billion in assets. CALLER - What are these assets composed of? MR. SUPINSKI - Gold, the Federal Reserve Bank itself and government securities. CALLER - What value does the Federal Reserve Bank carry gold per oz. on their books? MR. SUPINSKI - I don't have that information but the San Francisco Bank has $1.6 billion in gold. CALLER - Are you saying the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco has $1.6 billion in gold, the bank itself and the balance of the assets is government securities? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes. CALLER - Where does the Federal Reserve get Federal Reserve Notes from? MR. SUPINSKI - They are authorized by the Treasury. CALLER - How much does the Federal Reserve pay for a $10 Federal Reserve Note? MR. SUPINSKI - Fifty to seventy cents. CALLER - How much do they pay for a $100.00 Federal Reserve Note? MR. SUPINSKI - The same fifty to seventy cents. CALLER - To pay only fifty cents for a $100.00 is a tremendous gain, isn't it? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes CALLER - According to the US Treasury, the Federal Reserve pays $20.60 per 1,000 denomination or a little over two cents for a $100.00 bill, is that correct? MR. SUPINSKI - That is probably close. CALLER - Doesn't the Federal Reserve use the Federal Reserve Notes that cost about two cents each to purchase US Bonds from the government? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, but there is more to it than that. CALLER - Basically, that is what happens? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, basically you are correct. CALLER - How many Federal Reserve Notes are in circulation? MR. SUPINSKI - $263 billion and we can only account for a small percentage. CALLER - Where did they go? MR. SUPINSKI - Peoples mattress, buried in their back yards and illegal drug money. CALLER - Since the debt is payable in Federal Reserve Notes, how can the $4 trillion national debt be paid-off with the total Federal Reserve Notes in circulation? MR. SUPINSKI - I don't know. CALLER - If the Federal Government would collect every Federal Reserve Note in circulation would it be mathematically possible to pay the $4 trillion national debt? MR. SUPINSKI - No CALLER - Am I correct when I say, $1 deposited in a member bank $8 can be lent out through Fractional Reserve Policy? MR. SUPINSKI - About $7. CALLER - Correct me if I am wrong but, $7 of additional Federal Reserve Notes were never put in circulation. But, for lack of better words were "created out of thin air " in the form of credits and the two cents per denomination were not paid either. In other words, the Federal Reserve Notes were not physically printed but, in reality were created by a journal entry and lent at interest. Is that correct? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes CALLER - Is that the reason there are only $263 billion Federal Reserve Notes in circulation? MR. SUPINSKI - That is part of the reason. CALLER - Am I mistaking that when the Federal Reserve Act was passed (on Christmas Eve) in 1913, it transferred the power to coin and issue our nation's money and to regulate the value thereof from Congress to a Private corporation. And my country now borrows what should be our own money from the Federal Reserve (a private corporation) plus interest. Is that correct and the debt can never be paid off under the current money system of country? MR. SUPINSKI - Basically, yes. CALLER - I smell a rat, do you? MR. SUPINSKI - I am sorry, I can't answer that, I work here. CALLER - Has the Federal Reserve ever been independently audited? MR. SUPINSKI - We are audited. CALLER - Why is there a current House Resolution 1486 calling for a complete audit of the Federal Reserve by the GAO and why is the Federal Reserve resisting? MR. SUPINSKI - I don't know. CALLER - Does the Federal Reserve regulate the value of Federal Reserve Notes and interest rates? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes CALLER - Explain how the Federal Reserve System can be Constitutional if, only the Congress of the US, which comprises of the Senate and the House of representatives has the power to coin and issue our money supply and regulate the value thereof? Nowhere, in the Constitution does it give Congress the power or authority to transfer any powers granted under the Constitution to a private corporation or, does it? MR. SUPINSKI - I am not an expert on constitutional law. I can refer you to our legal department. CALLER - I can tell you I have read the Constitution. It does NOT provide that any power granted can be transferred to a private corporation. Doesn't it specifically state, all other powers not granted are reserved to the States and to the citizens? Does that mean to a private corporation? MR. SUPINSKI - I don't think so, but we were created by Congress. CALLER - Would you agree it is our country and it should be our money as provided by our Constitution? MR. SUPINSKI - I understand what you are saying. CALLER - Why should we borrow our own money from a private consortium of bankers? Isn't this why we had a revolution, created a separate sovereign nation and a Bill of Rights? MR. SUPINSKI - (Declined to answer). CALLER - Has the Federal Reserve ever been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court? MR. SUPINSKI - I believe there has been court cases on the matter. /www.freedomfinancialconsultants.com/declaration.ht... CALLER - Have there been Supreme Court Cases? MR. SUPINSKI - I think so, but I am not sure. CALLER - Didn't the Supreme Court declare unanimously in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. vs. US and Carter vs. Carter Coal Co. the corporative-state arrangement an unconstitutional delegation of legislative power? <"The power conferred is the power to regulate. This is legislative delegation in its most obnoxious form; for it is not even delegation to an official or an official body, presumptively disinterested, but to private persons." Carter vs. Carter Coal Co...> MR. SUPINSKI - I don't know, I can refer you to our legal department. CALLER - Isn't the current money system a house of cards that must fall because, the debt can mathematically never be paid-off? MR. SUPINSKI - It appears that way. I can tell you have been looking into this matter and are very knowledgeable. However, we do have a solution. CALLER - What is the solution? MR. SUPINSKI - The Debit Card. CALLER - Do you mean under the EFT Act (Electronic Funds Transfer)? Isn't that very frightening, when one considers the capabilities of computers? It would provide the government and all it's agencies, including the Federal Reserve such information as: You went to the gas station @ 2:30 and bought $20.00 of unleaded gas @ $3.41 per gallon and then you went to the grocery store @ 2:58 and bought bread, lunch meat and milk for $12.32 and then went to the drug store @ 3:30 and bought cold medicine for $5.62. In other words, they would know where we go, when we went, how much we paid, how much the merchant paid and how much profit he made. Under the EFT they will literally know everything about us. Isn't that kind of scary? MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, it makes you wonder. CALLER - I smell a GIANT RAT that has overthrown my constitution. Aren't we paying tribute in the form of income taxes to a consortium of private bankers? MR. SUPINSKI - I can't call it tribute, it is interest. CALLER - Haven't all elected officials taken an oath of office to preserve and defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic? Isn't the Federal Reserve a domestic enemy? MR. SUPINSKI - I can't say that. CALLER - Our elected officials and members of the Federal Reserve are guilty of aiding and abetting the overthrowing of my Constitution and that is treason. Isn't the punishment of treason death? MR. SUPINSKI - I believe so. CALLER - Thank you for your time and information and if I may say so, I think you should take the necessary steps to protect you and your family and withdraw your money from the banks before the collapse, I am. MR. SUPINSKI - It doesn't look good. CALLER - May God have mercy on the souls who are behind this unconstitutional and criminal act called the Federal Reserve. When the ALMIGHTY MASS awakens to this giant hoax, they will not take it with a grain of salt. It has been a pleasure talking to you and I thank you for your time. I hope you will take my advice before it does collapse. MR. SUPINSKI - Unfortunately, it does not look good. CALLER - Have a good day and thanks for your time. MR. SUPINSKI - Thanks for calling. ------------------------ Stop Electing Lawyers http://www.infowars.com/articles/nwo/jfk_s...iety_speech.htm 911 means emergency inside job in any language. The thing we have to fear is fear government itself. It is easier to get a man to hate than it is to get him to think. Illegalize Presstitution.

Led Boots, You need to give some serious thought to this question: What do you think happens when you go to the bank for a loan ? What do you think happens when gov does it ? Where do you think this money come from ? -Because if you do not iunderstand this question you will never ever know anything about world affairs in todays world.

Its not a personal theory. What do you think happens when you go to the bank for a loan ? What do you think happens when gov does it ? Where do you think this money come from ?

The particle beam is just a bigger version of what you have in your kitchen - a microwave oven.

No, the central bankers do it. The movie The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz is a movie that allegrically shows the central bankers. The man behind the curtain is an allegory for people like Rockefeller and Rothschild. The world runs on money and not nonsense about some guy in Afganistan in a cave or some little girl being murdered in Iraq. The world runs on money and that is a well illustrated fact in mainstream history books. Once you understand that war is about money (even Plato said it) and you understand what a debt based fiat currency is and how money gets created then it all becomes very clear. But you don't see the man behind the curtain because the establishment doesn't want you to. The TV is never ever going to explain to you what a monetary reformist even is and I bet wiki would even be unclear. There is a deliberate effort in our society to prevent you from understanding the power structure. Its like we are kids and we are curious about how babies are born. The parent just changes topic or buys candy so the kid can't talk while candy is in his mouth. Our mainstream media shows us pic of Britney Spears on the news instead of giving us important details on stories. The author of the Wizard was a journalist who supported monetary dieas of Bryan- who ran for president around the 1900's. We know that Bryan didn't get elected. Other presidents & leaders that stood for monetary reform were assasinated. This is Kennedy, Caesar, Jackson (attempted) and someone else. Jesus Christ said "throw the money changers from the temples". Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Not legally responsible for their work either.

Sometimes lefties sell out and go to the dark side. But Right vs Left isn't really that anymore. People on the left learn that the "left" is a false ideology (made up by central bankers) and that we are really want "right". But the political arguements have changed from left vs right to right vs fascism. Many people argue and support fascism without realizing it and think they are arguing a "right" point if view IMO.

I think it was set up in space.

Having taken courses in microwaves and working with acoustics and having designed phased arrays I don't think the above explanation is unreasonable. Microwave ovens have been around since 1946, one can learn a lot about science in that time period between then and now- particularly if the science is being developed for military. Microwave ovens themselves use "beam energy" as they did in 1946.

Judy Wood & Morgan Reynolds are doing a site that shows how the wtc buildings were brought down by a high energy beam weapon. Judy Wood is a PhD engineer and Morgan Reynolds is an economist that served as chief economist at the white house in 2001/2002. Anyone who has seen the video can clearly see that the buildings were converted to dust while they were standing. Others like Jim Hoffman have wondered how this could be done. Judy Wood states that the buildings did not collapse, they were converted to dust while standing. Listen to the interview here:http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/

There is plenty of known physical evidence to prove controlled demolition but it does add to the look of guilt when the scene was significantly disturbed on purpose before an investigation could take place- by the same folks that cleaned up Oklahoma no less. What was the rush ? Why the satallite tracking on large beams ? You would think the lies about WMD and the border being left open while there is a war on terror would be enough to convince people. The border sitting there ready for Osama Bin Laden to invade while there is a war on terror and billions are being spent to set up a police state so that society can be placed under authoritarian rule. HR 6166 was signed into law & there are prison camps all over the USA and Canada. I guess people think they can ignore the truth and stay safe from it. Many people suffer from unjustified hubris and they are going to be their own victims.

Valid evidence is pointed out in FEMA, section 8 yet not addressed by NIST. This is the sulfidization of the metal and super hot pools of metal that were there months afterward. These point directly to CD which is why they are not addressed in NIST. FEMA had to track down samples from disposal sites. Disposal trucks were closely observed using satallite tracking to make sure that wreckage metal got to china and was melted down.

Don't forget the economy. They are selling off the US manufactering capability, driving up the debt through screw ups and no bid contracts. Also a big chunk of their land in the mid west has been turned over the the UN. Secret things going on in those parts - Americans not welcome.

I don't know who did it but I suppose that it was a Straussian movement in the white house that took over starting with GW Bush. They were widely known as "the crazies" by people that were of the establishment in the White House. The official story is rediculous. First they had no idea that this would or could happen, then it happens and a few days later they know exactly who it was with virtually no supporting evidence. The official story hasn't really changed since except for many different explanations about how wtc7 collapsed. A completely incompetent intelligence service that allowed this to happen then suddenly they become the Dick Tracy of the modern era in a matter of a few days. If you look at facts and ignore spin the truth starts to set in. This is why the movement is growing, don't be the last to figure this all out.

Do you think that people ought to just believe what they are told or look at the facts ?

Things may appear that way to some people if they hear it often enough, but in reality the 911 truth movement is based on science and facts in the form of physical evidence. There is mountains of circumstantial evidence to support the hypothesis that the physical evidence supports - that the US government carried it out. The official version is based on a fantasy that really doesn't actually have evidence to support it. Furthermore it is a rediculous story, anyone that didn't recognise that when it was first told must surely recognise it now. Most people that are argueing for the official version are set up to either not take legal responsibility for their work ar not attach their names to their work. Probably more than 1/2 million people killed, expenditures in the trillions now (your grand kids will still be paying the interest on that), wide open borders and still no Bin Laden. The fact that the Mexican border is being left open is proof in itself that the war on terror is not real. If the war on terror isn't real then there must be no terrorists. If thats the case who attacked on Sept 11 th ? Why would they do that ? Have you yet noticed the police state that is developing around you ? You should really wake up because even a casual knowledge of economics makes it quite clear that the economy is being destroyed too. Who would want to destroy the economy of the US ?

Its on the "Whats New" link on the 911Myths site that you posted. This site is a perfect example of lies, twisted logic and half truths that the maintainance of the official version depends on. No wonder there is no ones name on it.

It was Chertoffs cousin that wrote the 911 debunker stuff for Popular Mechanics. But again, its not central to the arguement. I like to be more connected with physical evidence. Chertoff Cousin Before you go and discredit Alex Jones, he has millions of listeners and if you want to discredit him, call him up during his show. You will be put top the front of the line for call ins. Jones has been doing this for ten years and pissing off a lot of people. If he was wrong about things his credibility would be destroyed. He cannot afford to be wrong about things like this.

The stuff about Chertoff is really only secondary to the actual evidence in the case of 911. You cannot believe the official story without ignoring key evidence. The hypothesis of controlled demolition and 911 being an inside job addresses and explains all the evidence. There is virtually no evidence that supports the official version. Its all supposition, hypothesis and coincidence. Much of the actual evidence has been destroyed or it is hidden from view. Who do you think shot Kennedy ? Do you think that Lee Harvey Oswald did it ? You cannot be safer by not knowing the truth. Sooner or later the truth will find its way to you. Don't be the last person to see it. 84 % now see 911 as an inside job, New York Times/CBS News poll You need to buy yourself a tin foil hat.

If the planes hit the buildings and the buildings did not fall it would affirm Americas strength rather than show weakness and therefore not have the same psychological impact as total destruction. The motive for 911 was to create fear and the need for a police state as well as to start a series of wars (all while leaving the borders wide open). If terrorists were a real fear, there is no way the Mexican border would be left open.

From your site at 911 Myths, I found this statement: "Did firefighters abandon their fallen brothers to help real estate developer Larry Silverstein demolish a skyscraper? Conspiracist Alex Jones and other 9/11 “Truth Movement” leaders gather at Ground Zero and accuse Silverstein of murder and FDNY heroes of heinous crimes, lies and cover-ups. Do their claims stand up to examination?" No one is saying that firefighters put explosives into wtc7. No one is saying that anyone died as a result of wtc7 collapsing because no one was in or around the building when it did collapse. This is a set of false claims put forth by whoever wrote this site to attempt to falsely discredit the 911 truth movement.