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What does a force look like when you visualize it then ?

According to your logic everyone should be happy when this happens if its a corporation. When the governments nationalize the oil then the profits are used to maintain government. When the oil is privatized then the wealth gets concentrated into few private hands who will then use it to decide who will govern. In Alberta the province gets 1 % of the wealth from the oil - I wonder how much of a role the oil companies played in getting the current government elected. I am in favour of privatization, but privatization with competition. Without competition, privatization is just another form of robbery. The oil business has no competition within itself - it is a cartel. If Standard Oil could truly be broken up then privatization could work.

What does a force look like in your imagination ?

If you have a table with the leg glued to the floor it is an entirely different situation than if it is not fixed. If the leg glued to the floor can support the weight of the table it will, if it cannot it will not and it will never bear the weight of the table. The table will start to move immediately due to the mass of the table. The leg will bend or the glue will fail (or whatever) will begin to happen immediately. there is no time lag. That situation is much more complex that how you present it and your presentation and analysis is almost irrelevant. My explantions assumed the leg was not glued to the floor. The wtc buildings are not rigid so its a bad analogy (not surprising).

You cannot visualize science. It takes a half semester of hard work to understand this simple mechanics. It can be the most difficult aspect of an entire science degree. You should understand science before you decide rather than simply choose a side based on feelings or what your imagination is telling you. No one wants to believe the US government destroyed the buildings - not even you. Riverwind is doing nothing but destroy a thread using absolute nonsense emanating from his own imagination. Personally I wish he would go away - I feel like I am playing the role of a janitor in a kids school bathroom on this thread.

Science is not about opinions and don't care what yours is on any matter. People should save their opinions for political science, english literature and philosophy. Opinions do not matter in physics & math. Their arguements are essentially correct but not stated in the normal terms. Your arguemnts are just completely wrong. You have less than zero knowledge because you are always completely 100 % wrong yet always pass yourself off as some kind of authority that should not be questioned.

You didn't study this in school - or if you did you didn't pass. The table starts to move as soon as the other three legs are broken - it starts to move slowly and accelerates but this happens immediately. There is a period of time required for it to build up enough speed before you notice - it does not momentarily stay still and then decide to move.

Once the mass starts moving the rest of the building is still like structural steel not tinfoil. You have not made a single correct scientific statement on any of these 911 threads except for the fact that you got the solution right to that equation I gave you. Everything else scientific that you have stated has been all wrong. Every explantion about the behaviour of structures has been completely wrong from start to finish - every single aspect. A person cannot be wrong this often without trying to be. You are doing this purposefully to ruin the thread and prevent anyone from seeing the actual proof in terms of structural engineers, mathemeticians and scientists that think 911 was an inside job or the fact that anyone who comes out publically and makes this statement loses their job. 911 Patriots No (again). The table would start to move. Leg #4 would not initially prevent the table from moving at first and then change its mind and allow the table to move because leg #4 doesn't have a mind.

What is this movement about "Draft Gore" ? Does this mean they want to send him to Iraq so he can stop peddling this nonsense ?

Imagine one side failing slightly before the other, the building begins to rotate and the center of mass moves toward the part of the structure that failed first making it fail faster. The rotation accelerates quickly until the top part rolls over the top and falls through the air. Equally appropriate to ask would be how far down the building would this piece have to fall through before this happens - the answer to that is "not far" because the second law of thermodynamics tells us that the top part would seek out the path of least resistance which is through the air, not the building. As soon as the building begins to tip in any direction it rate of tipping greatly accelerates. The videos show an exploding building, not a pancaking one but since the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld supporters keep argueing pancaking I suggest that this would be impossible.

No, its more like everybody saw the shooting take place and exactly what happened and it was on video and the government said the guy was shot by someone from a cave in Afghanistan without even doing an investigation and you believe it.

Not only is the elected government corrupt but most of the professional self governing bodies are corrupt to various levels (especially law and to a certain extent engineering (9/11) & accounting (income taxes / money creation) )

We know what the temperatures of the steel was from NIST (and the damage). The damage and fires were not enough to cause the building collapse. FEMA says its version of the wtc7 collapse has a very low probability of occurance. From NIST & FEMA and a little arithmetic we can see the official version of the events on 9/11 were not possible.

Who ever finances things runs things and they were fianced by the same people that finance the USA today. So this whole gun control thing can most easily be explained using history. All paths lead to the Federal Reserve bank. The extremist Muslims that hate us hate us because of our banks. They of course are in no position to mount any kind of attack but that whole thing would end too if the Fed was eliminated. Imagine not paying income tax. Imagine your employer not paying employment tax. The IMF & World bank are owned by the Federal Reserve.

If Maury wants me on his show I would be happy to oblige provided that no rectal searches are experienced at the border (that has to be a guarentee with heavy financial penalty (if broken) ) and that my expenses are paid for. I'm assuming Maury is American.

Some people would call things like the BlackBird or the nuclear weapon magic technologies. The BlackBird (unlike you say) is not *just another airplane*. Having only studied electromagnetics at the university level and having a practical knowledge of directional radiation devices as well as modeled phased arrays I perhaps do not know as much as a high school grad who apparently knows everything. I think maybe part of the value of an education is that you learn how little you actually do know after studying. I know that there are still fundamental questions that cannot be answered regarding the seemingly simplest of scientific experiments. I can certainly answer your concerns about diffraction, etc but I really don't have to to make any kind of a point and unlike ScottSA, I don't like you. You give better arguement than most but your ego is too big. That would appear to be the case, some people think a micro nuke may have been used on the order of 0.01 kiloton. I'm not privy to the science of the US military which in some ways is quite far beyond what Ray Bardbury could imagine IMO. You may think they could not afford a secret science budget but I think they could. I haven't looked into the science of the various theories because I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I only know that the official version is impossible and that a controlled demolition had to have been done. I'll leave it to others to explain how it was done because I don't have the qualifications to theorize regarding this. I usually only discuss things that are out in the open and can be easily verified to be fact by anyone who cares to try or doubt me. Its easy to have a huge ego as an annonymous poster on the internet but the perils of having a huge ego is that you may have to back the ego up with some substance - its a bad habit even if you are protected from that reality on a message board because it could spill over to real life and make a bit of a mess. No, she does not and was not. She is theorizing on how the buildings came down, so are others. Most of them will be wrong. I'm sure all of them know more about it than you do.

You should probably stay out of any discussion on science. In fact, to extend that logic I don't know why you type anything at all. 300,000 tonnes behaves the same way as a plate.

Tipping is a rotation.

See Collapse videos

What if you just saw the explosions but didn't see the detonator chord or the expolsives - does this make explosions impossible according to your reasoning ?

No & No (as usual)

Aperson that doesn't have a job and sits around eating potatoe chips and watching soaps all day long needs psychological help not further isolation from the system. Deviant behaviour has psychological problems that can be undone with the proper amount of therapy. Sometimes deviant behaviour can be caused by medical problems. Sometimes brain injuries cause abberant behaviour. I lost 25% of my (normal body type) body weight about 6 years ago and thought I was going crazy and several psychological tests revealed that I was sane. It wasn't until I met a really good GP to look at the planters wart in my foot that I learned I had a thyroid disorder. After she diagnosed it the symptoms were very obvious even in my appearance. I had seen doctors prior to this who could not see anything wrong with me even though I knew something was going wrong. I kept hearing that I was OK before this. Its strange how obvious symptoms can be overlooked by doctors. We need better health care - its one of the best investments a country can make - that and education and this was shown by a nobel prize winning economist in the 60's. It happens to be exactly why services are being cut and the price of education is getting higher. The corporate powers that run the country want to destroy it to make way for a centrally controlled fascist world government that will serve the needs of only the most self described "elite" classes with rest in positions of much greater slavery & control than the present.

Hoffmans Video Very instructive but Hoffman is not the best speaker. lots of examples of building collapses. He has the best and most complete scientific reasoning of this movement.

The more important aspect of this is that Gun Control Works - ask any dictator like Hitler, Mao, Stalin. Think about the fact that they have many detention centers - we know this because mainstream has reported the Haliburton contracts to build them. This government doesn't care about 32 students.

bin Ladens interests coincide with Bushes and he would go along with the idea of them doing 911. See The Power Of Nightmares to understand why. "Pull it" is demolition crew slang for setting the explosives off to demolish buildings. "it" has never been slang for "firefighters"