Drea

So you guys in Alberta are pot smokers now? I was there back in the summer of 05 so things could have changed in three years. Wow. I. Am. Impressed! That's great news! Nice to see that you are getting a good dose of introspection. Have you thrown out that symbol of idiocy yet... the cowboy hat? Won't be long... you're swelled heads will go back to normal once you've smoked a couple of ounces and you'll no longer fit the "symbol" of conservatism. *I'll send you some tinfoil so that you can still fit your hat and so more lefty thoughts don't enter your brain. ... I am now in the game! Let's have an insult party and see how far we can push it before Greg or Charles finds out! Sound like fun! Yippeeee, giddalong li'l cowboys! LOL Seriously, when I want a real conversation... I go to Democratic Underground. There are far too many rightwingers here that are unable to debate -- the only language they understand is simple, one-line insults. Esss... Eyeeee... emmmm....emmmm...peeee..... ellll.......eeee. You ok? Did your brain fall out trying to figure out the word... told you -- put on that tinfoil I sent... Oh, what? You need duct tape too? Forgot. Will send some through... hold on.

An egg is not a chicken until it hatches. A baby is not a human until it is born. See how easy the concept is? Pro-choice does not force women to abort. (thanks WIP) Anti-choice forces women to give birth. One forces it's agenda... one does not. A coworker is pregnant with her second child, yet she remains pro-choice. She has chosen to have this child. She got pregnant shortly after the birth of her first and chose to abort it. And Monty, If you are left-leaning... I will eat my nice new monitor. LOL The only men who see feminists as "anti-men" are those who wish women were still "controllable". LOL Feminists love men that love and respect women for all that they are... not just for what they can do for them. Now get in that damn kitchen man! There's dishes to be done and food to be prepared... get on it... hurry up, times a wastin'!

There are still a few with smoking rooms. Went to the Okanagan couple of weeks ago and got a smoking room. So I guess they haven't all converted over yet. In Banff, we did have a smoking room (I couldn't believe we could still smoke in restaurants there!). We were concerned about someone walking by and smelling it (rarely crosses our minds in BC as it is so common) and making a fuss. In BC nobody makes a fuss about a measley J these days.

Why the insult? This has nothing to do with the topic. If I hit a nerve with the redneck remark... refute it! Prove me wrong instead of tossing out insults. And BC is full of granola eatin' tree huggin' hippy, communist freaks who worship David Suzuki and drive hybrids (oh and they have cats and small dogs).... soooooo. And Newfoundland is full of gramma's with cute accents. And Ontario is full of whiners. ... and your point is?

OooOO musta touched a nerve. LOL My "priority" was on having a fun holiday... that included smoking a J in the hotel room. We put a towel under the door, just in case some do-gooder smelled it. Whether or not said "do-gooder" would've been a redneck or not is conjecture. LOL Alberta is the most conservative province so my stereotyping is warranted. Just like out in the fringes of the Fraser Valley (where I do business) is very conservative and you bet I head back to mid valley before I smoke anything but a number 7. LOL The problem isn't MY tolerance toward said redneck.... I would sit right there and smoke in front of him if I knew he wouldn't go all "do-gooder" and call the authorities. I am not tolerant by the way... there are many things I have no use/tolerance for... you see, I am not a lefty -- just a regular, everyday, run-of-the-mill centrist. I distrust "extremes" of all kinds. lol

LOL That's too funny... couple of years ago we went on a holiday in cowboy country and were afraid to smoke a J just in case some idiot stick redneck smelled it and called the cops. We went back to BC ahead of schedule. Better safe than sorry IMO. LOL

Only "sick" women don't want children in your mind? What about the men in the world that never married and had children, are they "sick" too? Or do you hate women so much that they are useless except as breeding sows? If these women don't have children anyway, doesn't that make you happy -- that they are not breeding future feminists? LOL Are you married? Do you have any daughters? Does your wife or daughter drive? Then she is a feminist. Does she vote? Then she is a feminist. Does she work outside the home? (doubtful in your case) Then she is a feminist. You have no clue what a feminist is... the word "feminist" is not synonymous with "lesbian". Monty, you seem to have a problem with women choosing what happens to their bodies..... I wonder why that is... do you have a deep seated fear of strong, decisive women? Again, have you ever fostered or adopted a child? Have you ever supported a single mother in raising and educating the child that the pro-life do-gooders forced upon her? If not, then you have not a leg to stand on in this debate. You only care about the fetus until it is born, then it and it's mother are considered a useless wastes of skin sucking off the welfare system. Anti-choice folks don't give 2 shits about the mother and child. Just the fetus. That is moral ignorance at it's utter finest.

The rights of the living human being come before the rights of the fetus. Simple. You have a right, Monty. A right to adopt one of those children that wasn't aborted. Have you done your part? Have you raised a child that would have otherwise been aborted? If you don't allow a woman to abort then you should be financially responsible for your decision. I would like to get the names of all those who decry abortion and find out if they have ever fostered or adopted a child. Somehow I doubt if there are more than two people (probably none) in all of Canada who have actually stepped up to the plate and adopted a child that would've otherwise been aborted. Or taken care of the woman and her child after they forced her from the abortion clinic. If you don't like abortion don't have one. Again, simple.

I was disgusted by his "giving back" his order of Canada because Morgantaler got one too. Like a little kid who has something special and then some other kid gets it too and his suddenly isn't so "special"? What an idiot. Morgenthaler deserves it more than this Bishop who is just doing what all other Bishops do. It's like giving a cop an award for walking his beat. Pfft. I thank Morgantaler for my whole life. I thank him for my first husband, for my college education, for my beautiful life I have today. I personally owe this man my gratitude and am proud that he had been recognized for his contribution to society.

You got that right AW! We are sooo lucky to live where we do. Hubby is in Vegas and gets to celebrate both -- lucky bugger LOL HAPPY CANADA DAY! & HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!

She edited her post before I could respond... LOL Trying to make her post less... insulting. Next time I'll quote the entire post. I see that you did not read the opening post at all. The topic is the idea of a government stopping vehicles from using drive throughs. I do not agree with this as I work out of my car most of the time. You immediately threw an insult (should I go back and copy all of your insults toward me again?) at me. So I threw one back and now you have call me a whiner? I'm not whining for the government to step in and make my life all pink and pretty, you are. You are not female??? From the way you approach issues on the board I gleaned that you stay at home. Naturally, given this and your *conservative attitude, I assumed that you were a woman. *traditional family roles, etc. Now, would you like to have a civil convo or do you just want to toss insults back and forth? In the AW drive thru they have a sign that reads "I'm exhausted, please turn off your engine". People do. I do. But in the Timmy's lineup the wait is much shorter and there is no time to turn off the engine.

Oh FFS. Yes I would be some pissed if someone said I would have to get out of my car on my way to work. Of course you, as a non-working woman, would never understand -- all you have to do all day is lay there with your legs up. Pfft. God forbid you could get through the day without the government babysitting you. Did you email your MP so you could take a crap this morning? People that want the gubmint to take care of their every little need... God and Gubmint and Jebus, gonna take good care of you if you follow all the rules like a good little sheep. Baaa.

I drive through every single morning. With a cig in my hand. I would be some pissed if I had to park the car, get out of the car, walk in to the restaurant, stand in line, then pay for the coffee, walk back to the car, and drive to work. I drive through because it is faster and if I hate anything, it's lateness and I would rather die than be late for work. Why not just lock smokers and drivers in jail? Or better yet... kill 'em all.

So you feel the "need" to insult me because you don't agree with the premise of the thread? Why not just refute the thread? Find some links that support your position. Why does everybody have to make this about me? This is not about me at all for chrissake. I am flattered that you all think I wrote the article... but I didn't. Go back and check the link if you don't believe me! And White, do you really think that intelligence hinges on university education? You telling me that all your buds are university academics (sorry, but I find that hard to believe LOL). Intelligence is a product of an open mind and willingness to be "wrong". Organized religion is the product of fear and an unwillingness to be "wrong". Quoting a portion of what I read somewhere: "...telling our children that they are born sinners and must spend eternity repenting for a sin they didn't commit, working off a debt that can never be repaid, while terrifying them with lies about eternal hellfire, is not comforting; it is sick and abusive." This is in response to a woman saying we should not teach evolution in schools because it fails to provide "comfort" to children.

LOL Good one. I thought conservatives were against hate speech laws...? Guess when it suits you it is okie dokie right? The conservatives in North America would love to see all muslims, gays, feminists and humanists (and academics/scientists) "disappear" or at the very least "shut up". I don't want religion "shut up"... I want it put on full display and analyzed. A while back I asked one of my coworkers (no longer employed with us) "Do you think god created the earth?" and she said "Look at that car you are driving, did it randomly build itself, or did it have a creator?" She has closed her mind to evolution. She THINKS she knows all about evolution, she THINKS that evolution came about randomly, but science has NEVER said that it was random, but a gradual development. So she has been taught (by her pastor perhaps) that evolution could not possibly be true because birds (for example) just don't "appear" out of nothingness (this is what she believes, that evolution is stuff coming from nothing). So obviously she has never read about it herself and simply accepts what she has been told. If she were to open her mind... but she won't... she is too afraid. And she is a normal, everyday Christian woman with 4 sons and a husband. She is not fanatical, she is really a fun person and I wish she still worked with us. So if this non-fanatical woman closes her mind... I can imagine how sealed a more staunch believer's mind would be.

You really think that some myth is going to affect me in any way shape or form? Do you truly believe that jesus is real and that he/it will come to smite me? Come on. You can't be serious. You are a pretty levelheaded guy in most threads... never falling for tinfoil hat conspiracies and the like... yet you seem to believe that a myth has the power to do amazing things. *shakes head in disbelief* (pun unintended LOL) Tin foil anyone?

Because if religious folk (not those who believe in vague spirituality) looked at their religions with a critical eye they would have to either drop the religion or lie to themselves. Many people would simply rather not know so they can happily go along with their "belief" (no matter how outlandish).

Well GOOD. If god/jesus/allah/spaghetti monster really is up there in the clouds looking down, perhaps the lazy buggers should DO something! Anything. Really... any peep at all will do. But nope. You will never see a god do anything because they are not real. Santa will never bring you presents. He is not real. The tooth fairy will never bring you a quarter. She is not real. ...etc. But if you want to base your life and justify killing others... I guess no one should care. We should just allow the idiocy to continue.

very angry indeed!

BUT but but women's brains see better peripherally than men's so women are better than men BUT WAIT! men's brains can tell how far something is away very accurately so men are better than women... Oh right. wrong topic. If you don't like the thread... you do not need to post. Atheists welcome new ideas and theories-- do the religious? No, they don't. They all think they have cornered the "truth" when there has never been one single piece of evidence that an invisible entity exists. Not one bit. Nothing, nada, zip... for thousands of years... yet you are not willing to entertain the notion that perhaps religion is wrong and there is no invisible entity at all? I base my thoughts on measurable facts... you base yours on nothing.

*sigh* The religious will tell you that they KNOW the "truth" and will not accept that they could be wrong. Whereas the atheist realizes he could be wrong. If god showed its face right now... we would all be believers! But that isn't going to happen so atheists will continue to wrestle with varying theories which will change as new evidence comes to light. Studies have found that the higher one's level of intelligence, the less likely they are to believe in a god. If you don't like it -- change it! Become open minded! Read! Ask questions! Learn! For god sake don't just sit there and accept what you are told. I can't believe the amount of people afraid to question their own motivations. If god loves you then you have nothing to fear do you?

You're just pissed because you realize that I am correct. It takes closed-mindedness to accept religion. You know this, but are loathe to admit that you are closed-minded. So what are you going to do, vote for Obama the "muslim" (Obama's half-brother is religious after all, so you should believe him when he says Obama is muslim!!), or vote for the repubs? You poor thing! Wouldn't it be nice if your vote wasn't based on scary religious crap, but on actual issues? Yes I laugh, because it's funny that an invisible sky-daddy competition has America all in a tither.

Dog, anyone who questions religious dogma is labelled a fanatical atheist. Never mind that the whole world would be better off if religion played a mcuh smaller role in our lives. Atheists cannot be grouped. Each one has a different set of ideas as to why they are non-believers. Some believe there could be a collective conscience, some believe our energy gets dispersed when we die, some believe that we are part alien, some believe there were civilizations on the earth tens of thousands of years ago, some believe we are simply animals, some believe we turn into crows, bears and the like, some believe karma plays a role, some believe that we are reincarnated unitl we get it "right". Not one of those expects the whole world (or government, or schools) to get on their bandwagon. Most are simply theories and any atheist will tell you that nothing is concrete. Where the religious will tell you that they KNOW the "truth" and will not accept that they could be wrong. The atheist realizes he could be wrong. If god showed its face to me right now... I would become a believer. But that isn't going to happen so I, as an atheist will wrestle with varying theories which will change as new evidence comes to light.

I have already gone over this with another poster... I had not read his other works regarding the brains of women vs the brains of men. If you would like to start a thread about it I would be happy to participate... although I don't believe either gender has cornered the market on "better" brains. Now, on topic: I did not write the article, I simply agreed with the premise of it. One must have a certain level of close-mindedness (which is a sign of a lacking intelligence imo) to accept religious dogma. All you can do to refute the article (and my opinion) is to throw out insults. Why not find a link that supports your view? But no, you would rather insult me. This simply proves my point that belief in religion is the domain of those with lower intelligence... heck even you can't provide a link... imagine trying to talk sense with a staunch believer! Holy shamoly! "fanatic" ... the flavourful word of the decade... nice to see you've jumped on THAT bandwagon. Now why not jump on the brainwagon next time? Ask yourself "Am I afraid to lose my afterlife or risk burning in hell to question my religion?" It is not my fault that people who are of lower intelligence tend to believe in an all powerful, thought-reading, judgemental skydaddy. Once again, it is NOT MY FAULT that believers are closeminded. I did not make them that way... they evolved into idiocy all on their own. Once again, I did not make you who you are so quite blaming me for your inadequacies already... sheesh. I know you can't get enough of me, but really.

"Closed minded" would probably be a better description for people of relgious faith. While they may be intelligent, they are not necessarily open to religious scrutiny. If your religion is "true" then you need not worry that it be scrutinized. Only those that don't have unshakeable faith in their beliefs should be wary of analysis. Seems to me a good many people are afraid to look into their religion (and other religions or non-belief) becasue they might learn something that is contrary to what they want to believe. If god were to show up this afternoon, you bet I would change my belief! In the face of seeing for myself... but the religious are more likely to close their eyes and ears and maintain their "faith". And that's really what it all boils down to. Either you are open to discussing your beliefs (or lack thereof) or you are not. One is open minded, one is not. I have, throughout my life, entertained the notion of "god" and "jesus"... even went to church for a bit. So I opened my mind, I simply expect others to do the same. And don't be jealous of WIP... you guys are still my biggest fan-atics (besides AW and guyser that is) LOL. (/kidding, jeeez don't get all bent out of shape!)