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Maybe more upset by the tranny fanatics. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/woman-sues-bell-customer-rep-090000645.html

How do you know there even WAS a discussion?

Except those cameras are only turned on for interactions with the public. And since we'd be talking about backroom/office discussions with the pols they just wouldn't turn the cameras on. Who'd know?

Why then are those who support such things so fanatics about it?

When I was a young man and addicted to gaming I'd have easily and gratefully dumped my crappy job so I could stay home and play video games. Sure, the money wouldn't be much, but my needs were few back then. Who are you talking about now? Harris? She's not a better speaker, not even a very good one, and not a very good candidate. She got no votes when running in the primaries that Biden won. Your weird idea that you can strap TV cameras and microphones to every politician and every one of their aides is just silly.

You know when couples have babies? When they have secure employment that can pay for their housing and kids. Right now that's not a lot of young people. If the two of you are doing gigs and can barely afford a one-bedroom apartment you're sure as hell not going to have any kids. Without the huge waves of immigrants, housing costs would drop and wages would rise. Employers would want to hold onto employees and would offer full time work instead of part-time or temporary. Maybe young people would be able to have more kids then. They sure can't now.

The impact of the changes was offset by the large number of family-class immigrants who are not required to pass any kind of skill, education or language tests. This is a critique of the immigration system from seven years ago by a former head of Immigration Canada. He points out that only 15%-17% of immigrants are required to pass any sort of test. It's almost certainly a lot lower now. And he quotes a variety of studies which showed immigration not really doing much good for Canada. Again, note that this is from seven years ago, just as Trudeau was getting started on screwing things up. The truth is that the government has lost control of the immigration program by abandoning its traditional role of selecting our immigrants and controlling their numbers. Canadians have been brainwashed into believing we are doomed if we don’t keep immigration levels high. We are also told that our immigration policies are acknowledged to be the envy of the world. These arguments are wrong. https://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/bissett-immigration-policy-is-out-of-control-and-needs-an-overhaul And even seven years ago the immigration department had a report - and presumably the Trudeau government did too, which pointed to deteriorating conditions for immigrants, that our ability to absorb more immigrants was almost nill, and that ethnic enclaves were growing as more immigrants stopped learning the local language. https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-canada-struggling-to-absorb-immigrants-internal-report-says

Conservatives only have a problem with people denying their nature, denying human nature and pretending some system will work as long as no one gets greedy even though we KNOW someone will get greedy. Liberals: "We'll give enough money for poor people to have a good life. But only take it if you need it!" Everyone: "WE NEED IT!"

Remind me again how Jagmeet Singh, the Rolex King got to be leader.

And I hope they do. But let's face facts, she's a pathetic excuse for the top leader of the most powerful nation on Earth with over 330 million people. Then again, so were Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, and Reagan. Our leaders tend to be small, venal people of little substance or integrity. Same thing in Canada. Same in the UK, France and most other democracies.

Civilization is a thin veneer over the barbarism that lurks just below the surface. What happens to our society if the police all disappear? Anarchy. Mass murder and looting. Criminal gangs taking over.

You mean the United Nations? Shouldn't the UN be responsible, then? Not us?

Ahh, the white man's burden! Anything that goes wrong must be our fault! After all, the rest of them are too ignorant to know what to do! We're the only real humans! Right? No one not white has any real agency in their lives! The Jews made something of what was handed them. The Arabs just continued worshiping their savage god and murdering everyone around them who disagreed on the interpretation of their holy books.

LOL. You gotta love the internet. Where you can be called a lefty and a nazi on the same site on different topics. Trudeau has pulled the already just left of centre Liberals so far to the Left you can't really tell them apart from the NDP. Then again, the NDP stopped caring about the working many years ago and are all in on identity politics, just like the Liberals. Trudeau is a poseur, and I'm not sure he even has any political philosophy other than whatever the American progressive movement feels is fashionable at any given point in time. The ultimate cringe moment of determined virtue signaling was when he left his cave in the middle of a covid lockdown to journey across town to an illegal BLM protest by other people desperate to imitate American progressives, then in the middle of the crowd, wearing a mask outside, with his bodyguards all around him, Mr Blackface-Bananacrotch 'took a knee'.

I wonder what the indigenous 'first nations' are going to do when the majority of voters, not to mention those in government, are not hand-wringing, bleeding-heart white liberals but people who came here from hardscrabble societies where you were given nothing. I find it difficult to believe there'll be much sympathy for the demand from natives that they be given ever more money to make up for this or that historical injustice. I have a feeling they'll be told to quit whining, go find a job, or starve.

You used the present tense inaccurately. Perhaps you meant to say we 'did' have a relatively robust points system? That's no longer the case. The Trudeau government has screwed that up, just as it has everything else. Even when actually used, the points system no longer accurately reflects the needs of our employers. And the majority of people have long come here without regard to points. Even of those who technically come in under the points system only a minority actually are skilled. The rest, more than two-thirds, have always been their families. So at its height when the government claimed that, for example, 60% were skilled, it was actually more like 20%. The refugee determination system is an absolute disaster. The Liberals have expanded the criteria to the point almost anyone can get in. The approval rate on first hearing is 79%. Of those turned down, a significant number get approved through appeals. Of the remainder, most just stay anyway. We don't really keep track, and we have no real means of trying to find them. We have no equivalent of the Americans' ICE. All of this is known in certain countries, which is why the number of asylum claims has risen from around 20k when Trudeau took over to 150k last year. A large percentage of them. Most of those appear to be from India, and from a particular province in India (Punjab). And unlike previous foreign students these ones are much poorer and have much poorer language skills. The only reason to have immigration is to benefit the country. But governments stopped using immigration for that in the 1980s. It's been designed to benefit the politicians in power since Mulroney tripled immigration after being convinced the immigrants would become loyal supporters of the party that was in power that let them in.

I would interpret the phrase 'mass immigration' to be one of enormous numbers compared to the resident population, such high numbers the ability to be picky, to only select those likely to be a benefit to the new country, is lost. We lost that ability years ago. Canada's passport is the easiest to get in the world. Almost anyone can come here, declare themselves a refugee, and be given a passport. Or if they're more patient they can get a student visa, get an education here, and then be given Permanent Residency. Or just send in some phony documents (we don't have time to check them out) and get high points for being a fluently English (we don't test them) very experienced (we don't have time to check work history) university graduate with two degrees (lots of phony degrees in the third world). The Liberals just opened up a new path for anyone coming to be a personal support worker. Immediate permanent residency! You come to work in a nursing home for a week, get your PR and then go out and find a better job elsewhere.

And left most of them better than they found them.

No, the mainstream media never does. That is one of the reasons why so many, especially on the right, distrust them. The media set themselves up as the judges of what information should be kept from people "for their own good" some years ago. Any information which might lead readers/viewers to form unflattering judgments about groups of people who, for example, commit a disproportionate amount of crime, falls into that category of 'information "ordinary people can't handle". This inevitably leads to deep cynicism about such stories along with memes about 'the usual suspects' or "I'm noticing things I'm not supposed to notice". The media generally avoids mentioning the race, religion or ethnicity of people arrested or sought for violence. Lately, they don't even give the names due to a certain no-doubt coincidental similarity of so many of those names to people born in the Middle East and North Africa. In any event, this started when child care services came to remove a child from the home of a Romani family. The child had been dropped out a window and taken to hospital. The family went to the hospital and took the child back, not caring about treatment. Police had to be called and the neighbors, who appear to be mostly Muslim, came out to form a mob and attack the police.

So far, it appears to be changing Canada for the worse. Why would anyone look forward to that? Importing masses of people from wildly different cultural backgrounds and religious beliefs (often zealously held) and not integrating them leads to a buildup of entirely separate cultures that will inevitably collide. The number of successful, peaceful, multi-ethnic countries on this planet can be ticked off on one hand. The number of those types of countries that have disintegrated into civil war, or are pestholes filled with violence, corruption, and rebellion seems limitless.

How many were foreigners vs other British citizens? The British weren't foreigners. Canadians were British up until just after WW2. Should we not be afraid of change for the worse?

Maybe we should consider why so many Canadians move south, aside from those going for the weather. There are 800k Canadians working in the US. Since, unlike Canada, they don't allow people to come and work there as unskilled labour these are all skilled people. Exporting skilled people and importing unskilled people from the third world sets us on a path that will not lead to anything good.

Uhm, if people tell you you're acting like an ignorant twat maybe you should consider the possibility that the only one recruiting them into that belief is you.

It's about changing the culture of Canada for the worst, you brainless, reactionary twat. Yeah, if we have no standards, like your mom did. Better to have high standards, to pick and choose who comes. Otherwise we get people we don't want. Like you. I'd rather NOT see all the reports of rape, robbery, shootouts, murders and the like, 90% of which seems to be perpetrated on the newcomers you people from the Left rejoice in.

We appear to be less successful than we were when we had half the population we do now. Our infrastructure does not appear to have improved. Quite the contrary. And yet, we seem to not have such employees and have to import hundreds of thousands of temporary foreign workers, and still more immigrants to do these jobs. Fifty years ago we didn't need foreigners and immigrants to do them. Canadian born people did them.