I am Groot

Multiethnic societies don't do well. Africa's biggest problem, and everyone acknowledges it, is that the colonial powers drew borders where they ruled, with no consideration to how many different tribes/ethnicities were already there. When they left, those people were expected to get along as one people. They didn't. They haven't. Not applicable to the question. Those are illegal migrants.

Typical lefty. Loves and admires all the world's cultures so long as they aren't white. Europe has been a model of peace and tolerance for the last few generations. No one sane would say that about India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or anywhere else in the Middle East and North Africa..

There is no such pattern. Aside from rare cases, police shoot blacks because blacks are armed. It was ignored by the media until it became too big a story to ignore due to people like Trump and Musk talking about it. The media self-censors. It doesn't want to get people angry at blacks. That's laudable but dishonest in that it's not their job to censor what they tell people, so they won't get upset. And it never happens in reverse. The media never hesitates to get black people worked up and angry at a case of a black man killed by a white man. It leads people to believe the media has an agenda, be it ideological or political, and directs stories to influence people towards their own views.

I don't think it's just me. We have never exactly had harsh disciplinarians in robes, but they seem to be getting softer and weaker every year. Several times recently, I've seen judges sternly lecture violent criminals and tell them a harsh sentence is needed to deter such things and then given them a fairly light sentence when compared to what they'd have gotten in the UK or US. In this case, several men were part of a gang of at least seven or eight who nearly beat and stabbed a social worker to death at a hotel where he was looking after a 14 year old runaway who had been trafficked was staying temporarily. He was stabbed multiple times and punched and stomped on by a big gang who trailed him back into his hotel room and continued attacking. And their sentence? Three and a half years. Mind you, with mandatory parole that's a little more than 2 years. And if they had any pre-trial custody it could be far less. https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/three-men-sentenced-for-violent-attack-on-social-worker-protecting-teen

Bring in millions of poor people from countries with backward social values and cultures, countries where corruption and intolerance, bigotry and religious violence and hate are the norm, without any screening, and this gives you a better or worse country?

This meme probably describes the media on this subject best. Note, the stats are actually from 2018. Not sure why they changed the title.

It's the twenty-first century, gramps. How about you keep your mind focused on the people and the policies of today? I will say this, though, if we'd kept that policy regarding the third world, Canada would be a vastly richer and safer country today.

A Nanos poll for the Globe and Mail shows Canadian attitudes towards immigration hardening even as Carney continues to hold to his policy of steady, gradual increases. 60% also want foreign workers of whatever program reduced, but Carney says business wants it, and what business wants, business gets. Doug Ford wants more immigrants and foreign student-workers and more foreign workers too, and if you're a young Canadian who can't find a job, Doug has little sympathy "Look harder," he said today. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-immigration-temporary-residents/

The way our immigration and refugee system went off the rails is by not carefully examining the mentality and thinking of applicants when we started to allow immigration from the third world. The reason is the Left's belief in cultural relativism. They simply assumed that everyone thinks basically like they do, and even if not, once here, they will very quickly see the wisdom and logic of their own tolerance and adapt. Besides, examining their values and thinking would be discriminatory towards people from other cultures when all cultures are equal. N'est ce pas? They combined this with multiculturalism, telling newcomers they had no need to integrate, nor abandon their own cultures. They simply assumed they would because earlier waves did. But earlier waves were almost entirely Christians from Europe, whose values and cultures were not so different from ours, or at least, not wholly hostile to them. You wouldn't hire a fast food worker without an interview, but we've been bringing literally millions of people into this country from nations that are well-known for corruption, religious, political, and sexual violence, misogyny, and antisemitism, and expecting them to change. They haven't. They don't need to. The UK, Germany, and France abandoned multiculturalism, declaring it had been a disaster, but Canada's elites, including its mainstream media, still cling to it and enforce a groupthink that requires everyone else to pay homage to it. We're constantly told 'diversity is our strength' without ever explaining how or demanding evidence. Diversity is not a strength. It's a weakness. It's led to civil war and the dissolution of nations all through history. And as we continue to import millions of people from places with cultures and values hostile to our own, our 'diversity' is starting to grow into unrest, and that unrest will only worsen if we don't do something.

As has been repeatedly explained to you, Christianity has gone through numerous reform periods. Islam never has. It can't, because any attempt to interpret it differently is called blasphemy and gets you imprisoned or killed. So you know nothing about it but you're sure the people who have read the Quran cover to cover and discussed it many times with clerics are wrong. Trump never wrote his book, as you know. Murray wrote and published his first book at 17. Douglas Freaking Murray has been a globe-trotting journalist much of his life. Name the war in the last twenty years and he's been there, not back at the hotel, but embedding himself in the action whenever possible. He went into Gaza with the IDF, for example, and went to the front lines in Ukraine, both during this war and the last one. He's associate editor and columnist for The Spectator and a big sympathizer of both Ukraine and Israel. His attitude towards Islam is guided by his knowledge and experience with it, and, to no small degree, I'm sure, because he's gay. Most intelligent gay men would express a degree of hostility for a religion that still, in 2025, formally and officially calls for their death, and the death of everyone like him, don't you think? Hell, he's not only gay, he's an atheist, so he's doubly condemned to death by Islam. I put it to you he's on the board because of his sympathies and respect for Israel, not, as you are trying to suggest, because they pay him to be on their board.

I'm not a Jew, you Nazi, but I respect them as good, decent, law-abiding citizens who work and rarely spend their lives on welfare.

I hate them too. But let's not forget it's a liberal government that lets them do it. People used to ask me "how do you know the Conservatives would be any different?" and my answer was always, "They won't have a choice. Their base would demand it." The Liberal base is fine with this.

Anthony would ban you for thinking the wrong thing. Anthony was unpredictable and took no excuses, and his sympathies were clearly with the Left. You weren't a lot better, for that matter. And as I recall, it was mostly people on the right you banned too.

I sort of agree with you but I sort of disagree. Because America has always had tons of guns. Masses of people had guns in the 1950s and school shootings, or crazy people who went on mass killing sprees, were fairly rare. The overall crime rate was much lower, as was the homicide rate. It seems to me that people are more violent today for some reason other than being able to access guns. And one of the reasons is we don't lock up criminals like we used to, and we don't lock up crazy people like we used to. They're all out there on the street. So maybe that's the reason for the shootings and violence and not necessarily firearms.

I never did but there was an element of safety in that he was not seriously harmed. And I think it's a different matter when you basically excuse the murder of someone, especially, given this is a site that wants political debate, someone who wanted political debate.

Please describe this 'revolting' conduct. Kirk is not my thing, and I disagree with him on a lot of stuff. But what I've seen of him in these talk sessions has him politely debating people, not screaming or yelling at them and not calling them names like Trump would. So aside from you disliking his opinons and beliefs, what do you think is revolting about his conduct?

American and Canadian media are predictable in some ways. They will seize upon any crime that has a white perpetrator and a non-white victim and play it up huge, even if there is no reason to suspect racism is involved. They will 'infer' racism. They will talk about it endlessly in light of this 'horrible' crime. For example, there was never any evidence of racism in the George Floyd thing. He wasn't targeted for his race, and there's no reason to believe he would have been treated any differently had he been white. But the mainstream media in Canada, the US and the UK played it up big as him being the victim of the racist police. There has been example after example of this for decades now. But when it's a black criminal and a White or Asian victim (which is BY FAR the majority as per statistics), the media downplays the crime or doesn't cover it at all. They do this, they will tell you privately, so as not to stoke racism against blacks. When a gang of black criminals jump someone and rob and beat them, they are identified as "youths" or "a crowd". Their one unifying characteristic is never mentioned. There are huge numbers of black on white rapes, for example, as per us and uk stats), and virtually none the other way around. This is never mentioned in the media. This is because the media strives to avoid inflaming public opinion towards blacks (but not the other way around). It avoids stories it thinks will stoke racism, stories that will, for want of a better phrase 'make black people look violent or criminal'. At the same time, it doesn't hesitate to inflame black opinion, causing riots. What brings this to mind is the horrifying image of the murder of a young Ukrainian refugee in Charlotte. The mainstream media chose to ignore it, no matter how shocking a case it was. A large black man who had never met her and never spoken to her rose up from the seat behind where a tiny Iryna Zarutska was sitting with earphones in and scanning her cell phone, and stabbed her to death. He was, of course, well-known to the police, having been arrested and jailed many times. The media utterly ignored the story even as it blew up online. Only when it got to the point wel-known figures, including Elon Musk and Donald Trump were talking about it, did the mainstream media very grudgingly mention the story. They still downplayed it, however, and most chose not to show the pictures or video because they are both shocking and provocative. By provocative, I mean they will provoke exactly the feelings in whites (and asians) that the mainstream media strives mightily to avoid giving. There can be no better image of the 'Black Menace', the fear so many white and asian people have of black men and their notorious and unpredictable violence (as per us statistics). It's something we're all aware of but the media ignores. I don't ride public transit, but when I used to, I never would have sat down in front of a black guy wearing a hoodie on a warm summer day. I would never put my back to such a person. But she was from Ukraine and probably just wasn't aware of the danger she was putting herself into. But every white and asian person who sees this image is going to remember it and be even more wary of black men than they already are. And also more wary of the mainstream media and its constant efforts at censoring the news in order to not cause them to feel or think or say things the media does not feel they should. I recognize that its well-meaning, but it's also corrupting, and increases people's distrust of the media. We don't want a media that self-censors because they feel it's not right for us to know things. We want to make those decisions ourselves. And this leads to people accusing them of having an agenda, and of tailoring the news to meet it.

Mark Carney says it's wrong to rely on foreign workers for low wage jobs. Or at least, said it, back before he became a politician. Now he's changed his mind. Prime Minister Mark Carney used to get this. Back in 2013, when he was governor of the Bank of Canada, he told a parliamentary committee that “one doesn’t want an overreliance on temporary foreign workers for lower-skill jobs, which prevent the wage adjustment mechanism from making sure that Canadians are paid higher wages but also that firms improve their productivity.” He added that temporary foreign workers should be for “those higher-skilled gaps that do exist.” In plain English, he said that bringing in highly skilled people to fill high-wage jobs was good for Canada, but allowing business easy access to lots of temporary foreign workers for entry-level jobs was a recipe for suppressing the wages of low-wage Canadians, and discouraging companies from raising productivity through labour-saving technologies. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/commentary/article-yes-canada-should-mostly-end-our-temporary-foreign-worker-programs/

No. Most came from surrounding Muslim countries when they were forced/chased out. The majority of Jews in Israel are them and their descendants. Arab hatred of Jews is eternal because their books have many passages that tell them to hate and kill Jews. We aren't the past, as much as Liberals like to pretend otherwise. We've grown beyond that. The Muslim world has not. Twenty years ago I never read anything or heard anything about how Jews on campuses here were harassed, threatened and intimidated. Now I read it all the time. Now I read of Jewish union members suing their own union for demonstrating antisemitism towards them, Jewish students suing their universities, Jewish parents suing schools and schoolboards, groups of haters taking their demonstrations out to Jewish areas, picketing Jewish hospitals, Jewish businesses, vandalizing Jewish stores. This has all come from the Left's adoption of the Islamist agenda. The Left and Islam, joined hand in hand to destroy Western culture, each thinking they will take over and bring about nirvana. Except, of course, nirvana for the Muslims is an Islamic state where all those Leftists who they regard as perverts are thrown off tall buildings.

No, I talk like someone aware of life's realities. There are a lot of absolutely shitty people out there who will steal anything they can and beat you to a pulp for fun and giggles. Did those six black girls need to kill that Chinese man to steal what little he had? No. They were feral savages exulting in their group's ability to harm another. For fun. Like these people. https://x.com/MarkHeath45/status/1964729441357353296

And again, they will apply for the jobs if the employer makes those jobs worth applying for. Boot all the immigrants out and what do the employers do? They raise their offers and make working for them more pleasant. Yes, they may have to accept lower profits or raise their prices. So be it. And if the alternative is going out of business, then that community clearly didn't value that service enough to pay what that employer needed to stay in business. Creative destruction. Something else will arise. Rural areas have always gotten by. Their biggest problem has always been that there aren't any good jobs, so young people drift into the cities. There's no reason we should allow that. And I don't see how the TFW program makes a difference as to whether that happens or not. You saw that situation in the US where ICE raided a Hyundai factory and carted out 300 South Korean workers. Now they'll have to hire Americans, even if that means training them and paying more. Maybe we Canadians don't want more foreigners here just now. There are far too many as it is. Including many with Canadian passports who are no different at all from their kindred 'back home' and have no intention of changing their ways.

Business says government bureacracy and red tape is more of a threat to their survival than Trump and his tariffs. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/businesses-rank-being-stifled-by-red-tape-as-more-of-a-threat-than-trump-tariffs-report-finds?taid=68bb0ee2a85f2e0001baceff&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Just gonna put this here for those who think the Liberals have done any sort of decent job with the economy, OR for those who insist hyper-immigration has been a boon to our economy.

You don't know anything about my history. Do I talk like someone who can't imagine danger or violence?

Obviously. Yes, London UK is a mess, largely because it's full of bloody foreigners. None of whom seem to have much interest in integration. Not a lot of crowds or heavy traffic in London either, but much better weather. Well, Carney's mentors at the Century Initiative, two of whom he's put on his council of advisors, want 100 million Canadians, and that's going to mean the population of Toronto would be, if I recall from the document, about 20 million.