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HA HA HA I never lost the argument LOL Says the guy that insisted the Liberals would have to hold an election after the budget...well, you failed once again LOSER. Says the guy that has his man ways behind in polls of who would be the best Prime Minster. https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/carney-seen-best-leader-represent-canada-navigate-tough-economic-times So yes, you are the one that is defeated. You are the one constantly praising PP LePew and here his MP's are either defecting or resigning LOL. Another defeat of your position LOL You are a LOSER, along with PP LePew, the Leader of LOSERS LOL. And now your are looking forward to 2030??? LOL Your party will never win unless you dump that LOSER... PP LePew All your predictions have failed.... So yeah... you have admitted defeat LOL

Poilievere himself said politics should not b a career and here is is...24 years after he started , a career politician. He has no credibility and is a albatross over the necks of conservatives. I am not and have never been a liberal but I could no longer be a conservative because of him.

???? Seems you are admitting defeat. Seems your party has lost it's way. Seems your hero PP Le Pew has become a burden to the party. I will not pile on and understand the party has made some poor choices and the leader is not willing to make the changes necessary to make it better and viable.

Actually, the Libs would like an efficient helpful opposition but with PP all they get is constant stream of whining and complaining...no help in making things better. I have said numerous times, I wished Rona Ambrose stayed in politics and became the Conservative leader. She would have won...hands down. I abandoned the conservatives when PP became leader... I realized he was a problem way back when he was in Harpers cabinet.

The Liberals??? Seems his own party members are abandoning him. While the party is holding it's own....PP Le Pew is falling like a rock to Canadians and his own party LOL

My admission of defeat??? Seems it was you that just said there will be no election contrary of your constant whining about liberals won't last LOL And MP's departuing the cons party. And PP Le Pew is losing grip on his party. Seems the admission of defeat is all on you LOL HA HA HA

HA HA HA Sounds to me you are reading the writing on the wall about PP Le Pews future HA HA HA If the conservatives forced an election now...the Liberals would end up with a big majority.... and the cons would be LOSERS for the 5th time in a row LOL

Awww taximan is having a meltdown...poor puppy LOL Just another LOSER breaking down Yup...no election cause even the conservatives cannot buy their own leaders shit!! LOL Nope,...it is just proving others know your hero is a LOSER and only LOSERS like you follow him. The smart ones are bailing out LOL

I didn't write it..take up your suffering with the author LOL You and PP LePew.... LOSERS But you and PP lost.... close only counts in the horseshoes game LOL

Never said it was right. "Canada's credit rating is not in immediate danger, but a credit rating agency, Fitch Ratings, has issued a warning due to persistent government deficits and rising debt," "Standard & Poor's credit rating for Canada stands at AAA with stable outlook. Moody's credit rating for Canada was last set at Aaa with stable outlook. DBRS' credit rating for Canada was last reported at AAA with stable outlook." https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/rating Was Chretien not a liberal and was beaten by Harper??? Was Harper the beginning of the downfall?

POILIEVRE SHUTS HIS MPs UP, AND PUNISHES THOSE WHO DISAGREE Poilievre's office maintains tight control over what Conservative MPs say and do Party staffers monitor caucus for signs of message indiscipline and fraternization with other MPs Christian Noel · Posted: Nov 20, 2024 4:00 AM EST | Last Updated: November 20 Poilievre's office maintains tight control over what Conservative MPs say and do Radio-Canada's Christian Noel explains how Pierre Poilievre's office exerts tight control over Conservative MPs statements and actions. After two years of Pierre Poilievre as their leader, many CONSERVATIVE MPs SAY THEY ARE MUCH LESS FREE NOW THAN THEY WERE BEFORE HIS ARRIVAL. The man who promised during his leadership run to make Canada "the freest country in the world" maintains tight control over the actions of his caucus members. Normally loquacious Conservatives close up like oysters and DARE NOT SPEAK without their leader's approval. MPs are watched by Conservative staffers both inside and outside Parliament. Elected representatives are publicly called to order for deviating from the party line. Everybody is being watched. What we say, what we do, who we talk to. We're told not to fraternize with MPs from the other parties. And that's not normal. - Conservative Party source Conservative MPs' words and actions are closely scrutinized by the leader's office. Partisanship is encouraged. Fraternizing with elected officials from other parties is a no-no. Those who follow these rules are rewarded. Those who don't often have to suffer consequences. "There are always multiple people in the penalty box, there is always someone in trouble," one caucus member said. "You don't need to be told what to do. You watch the leader and understand what's expected from you," one Conservative source said. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre went blow-for-blow in the House of Commons on Wednesday. House Speaker Greg Fergus struggled to maintain order as Trudeau chided Poilievre over claims he's muzzling his caucus members, while the Conservative leader attacked the PM's leadership after some Liberal MPs called for him to step down. "The leader comes first. Do not undercut him," said another. Radio-Canada spoke with more than a dozen elected representatives, employees and members of the Conservative Party of Canada from three different provinces. The sources were granted anonymity so they could express themselves freely. All reported a tightening of caucus discipline under Poilievre's leadership. "Since Pierre became leader, you can feel the difference," said a source in the Conservative leader's entourage. "MPs don't get too comfortable. They're careful." But some in the Conservative ranks are beginning to chafe at the restrictions. Some elected officials feel they come to caucus "to be told what to do and what to think" by the leader, one Conservative source said. "Sometimes the leader listens to suggestions. But often, his mind is already made up. It's often a one-way conversation," another source added. "It's not ideal, but it works," one source said. The Conservatives have a 20-point lead in several polls. "When you're leading, it's easy to keep discipline within the caucus. But if there's a drop in the polls … well, then we'll see." If the leader invents a new slogan, "we know we'll have to use it," said a Conservative source. Catchphrases deployed by Poilievre in the House of Commons and at media events (axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget, stop the crime) and terms of derision like "wacko," "radical," "Justinflation" and "Sellout Jagmeet Singh" are often picked up and repeated by Conservative MPs. Take, for example, the word "wacko." Poilievre was expelled from the House of Commons in April for using this word and refusing to withdraw remarks he made about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Before that incident, the term had been used twice in the House of Commons in the previous 18 months. In the months since, Conservative MPs have repeated it more than 100 times in the Commons. Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre was kicked out of question period after he called the prime minister a "wacko" and refused to withdraw the language when Speaker Greg Fergus asked him to. "IF YOU REPEAT THE SLOGANS, YOU GET REWARDED," said a Conservative source. "You are celebrated in front of the entire caucus for being a good cheerleader. And you get more speaking time in the House and during question period." THOSE WHO REFUSE TO PARROT THE LINES LOSE THEIR SPEAKING TIME, another source added. It's radio silence at the entrance to Conservative caucus meetings these days. Every Wednesday morning, journalists throw questions at the arriving MPs. Almost all of them pass without answering; some avoid making eye contact with journalists. Every week when Parliament is in session, journalists wait at the entrances to the Conservative and Liberal caucus meetings to speak with MPs on their way in and out. The practice was established decades ago. Every week when Parliament is in session, journalists wait at the entrances to the party caucus meeting rooms to speak with MPs. The practice was established decades ago. MPs from the other parties seldom hesitate to answer journalists' questions. And when Erin O'Toole and Andrew Scheer led the Conservatives, many Conservative MPs stopped by to chat with reporters every Wednesday. In the early days of the Poilievre era, a press secretary for the leader was seen on a few occasions signalling MPs not to stop in front of the cameras. Like a policeman directing traffic, he seemed to be beckoning them to enter the room without responding to reporters. More recently, press secretaries from Poilievre's office have been supervising the entrances to Parliament and monitoring journalists' scrums with MPs, with the goal of recording the exchanges. The Conservative Party is the only federal party that currently does this. SAM LILLY, spokesman for the Leader of the Official Opposition, is often present at the entrance to the caucus, DOCUMENTING MPs' COMMENTS TO JOURNALISTS. As a result, many Conservative MPs who used to be very outspoken are now reluctant to grant interviews to journalists without first receiving the go-ahead from Poilievre's office. "It's not that unusual to act that way," said Yan Plante, a former Conservative adviser under Stephen Harper. "The leader's staff wants to limit the risks as much as possible and let the leader, the group's best communicator, do the heavy lifting." He said holding the leash too tightly can also lead to problems. "It can demoralize caucus members," Plante said. "Over time, it can become an internal threat, where you also have opposition within your own caucus." The ones who watch caucus Sources told Radio-Canada that Conservative Party staffers keep a close eye on MPs' activities — who's talking to reporters, who's deviating from the party line, who's fraternizing with MPs from other parties. Journalists have spotted party staffers taking notes and sources say these activities are reported to the leader's office. "EVERYBODY IS BEING WATCHED. What we say, what we do, who we talk to. We're told not to fraternize with MPs from the other parties. And that's not normal," a Conservative source said. "To be a good MP, it's important to build relationships with colleagues from other parties. That's how Parliament works best for Canadians. But the leader's office won't let us." Sources say Conservative staffers monitor MPs' interactions not only in the Commons chamber but also in the corridors of Parliament and at social events such as the Press Gallery dinner and the Speaker's garden party. Poilievre's press attaché was even spotted jotting down the names of Conservative MPs attending the Press Gallery dinner this spring. It's an event that Poilievre — who has strained relations with the Parliamentary Press Gallery — and most of his MPs have avoided for the past two years. "We don't get told not to go, but we can see that the leader doesn't go, so we do the same. Otherwise, it would be frowned upon," said one Conservative source. Plante said that if Poilievre's office is maintaining this kind of tight control over MPs, it's going too far. "Political employees were not elected by the people," he said. "If I were a member of Parliament and this concerned me, I'd go to the leader to denounce the situation and say I'm not going to stand for this." Personal discipline Poilievre imposes iron discipline on himself. He works hard. He works late. "We've been telling him for months that he needs to take a vacation, but he just won't listen," one source said. "He's the one who decides everything. His main adviser is himself … The people around him are only there to realize the leader's vision." Every message that bears Poilievre's name on social media must first receive his approval, the source added. "He's not a dictator," the source said. "He has a vision, he knows where he's going and how to get there." Poilievre's chief of staff "doesn't decide much," the source added. "He manages his calendar more than the party's policies." "Pierre Poilievre went to the Harper school," said Plante, referring to the former Conservative prime minister in whose cabinet Poilievre served. "His entourage is made up of several people who went to the Harper school, where message discipline was important." Poilievre follows his mentor's example in leading his troops. Unlike his predecessors, he can afford to do so. Erin O'Toole needed three rounds of voting before being declared Conservative leader; he ended up with 57 per cent of the vote. Andrew Scheer needed 13 rounds and finished with 51 per cent. Both had heavily courted different factions of the party to gain the necessary support. Poilievre won the leadership decisively on the first ballot, with 68 per cent of the vote. "He doesn't owe anything to anyone," one Conservative source said. "He is not beholden to the religious wing of the party, or the social conservatives or the progressives." "He has the credibility to keep people disciplined and to call delinquents to order," another source said. "IF YOU STRAY TOO FAR FROM THE MESSAGE, YOU GET TOLD PRETTY QUICKLY," a third source said. Recent examples abound. Conservative MPs who have expressed their opinions in public, or who have strayed slightly from the party's central message, have been swiftly called on the carpet by Poilievre's office and forced to course-correct. If a Conservative elected official brings up a subject that contradicts or embarrasses the leader, "the message gets through pretty quickly," one Conservative source said. Some MPs have lost speaking time in the Commons or in committees as punishment. "It's a way for Pierre to point out who he likes and who he doesn't," a source added. Here are several recent examples of Conservative MPs called out by Poilievre: November 2024: Seventeen Conservative MPs who pleaded with the government to ensure that cities in their ridings received their share of a federal housing fund were publicly rebuffed by the leader's office. In a news release distributed to the media without their consent, Poilievre forced those MPs to renege on their commitment to mayors in their ridings. Conservative MPs frustrated after Poilievre bars them from promoting housing fund: sources At least 17 Conservative MPs advocated for money from a housing program Poilievre vows to cut Conservative MPs backed communities seeking Liberal housing fund Poilievre vows to cut September 2024: As Poilievre tabled a confidence motion to bring down the government, Conservative MP Kevin Waugh questioned the utility of holding a federal election just as Saskatchewan voters were heading to the polls for provincial and municipal elections. Shortly thereafter — in a press release issued under his name but sent by the leader's office — Waugh wrote, "We need a carbon tax election now." July 2024: Conservative MP Pierre Paul-Hus said that a Conservative government would not fund the Quebec City tramway project but that if "agreements are signed, we won't redo what's been done. We won't start undoing contracts ... we'll respect them". A few hours later, he was forced to retract his statement on X after a call from the leader's office: "A Conservative government will NOT invest federal money in a tramway, no matter what Justin Trudeau promises." June 2024: In an interview on a Liberal MP's podcast, Conservative MP Arnold Viersen said he looks forward to a day "when abortion is unthinkable." He also said he would vote against gay marriage if given the opportunity and hinted that he's banking on the strength of the Conservatives' religious caucus to change laws once in power. Poilievre's office quickly issued a correction in the MP's name, saying his comments "don't represent the positions of the leader, nor the policies passed by Conservative Party members themselves." Pierre Poilievre disagrees with Conservative MP who wants to vote against same-sex marriage Liberal MP 'surprised' social conservative felt 'ambushed' by questions on abortion A number of Conservative sources said they're not bothered by this degree of top-down control. "It avoids missteps and distractions," one said. Earlier this year, Ontario Conservative MP Karen Vecchio lost her chairmanship of the status of women committee under mysterious circumstances. Anita Vandenbeld, a Liberal MP on the same committee, claimed Vecchio "was punished because she collaborated too much with the other parties." "She didn't subscribe to the Conservatives' idea that everything should be blocked in committee, especially not on issues like the Status of Women," Vandenbeld said. Vecchio did not respond to Radio-Canada's request for her version of events. Poilievre's office said it's common practice to change committee chairs. But sources told Radio-Canada that Vecchio did not take the change well. Liberal and NDP MPs lament departure of longtime Tory MP as status of women chair In January, MP Leslyn Lewis supported a petition calling for Canada to withdraw from the United Nations. As a result, her speaking time was reduced to question period. According to Radio-Canada's calculations, the frequency of her statements and questions in the Commons was cut in half in subsequent months. Lewis and Poilievre's office did not respond to requests for comment. Prime Minister Poilievre? Will Poilievre's iron discipline and tight control of Conservative troops last if he becomes prime minister? "His personal challenge, I think, will be not to control everything," said Rodolphe Husny, a former Conservative adviser under Scheer. That will be hard for Poilievre, he said, "because I don't think it's in his personality to delegate." Several Conservatives agreed. "THERE'S A VERY SMALL CIRCLE AROUND THE LEADER. THERE'S A LACK OF VARIETY OF OPINION. THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE," SAID A CONSERVATIVE SOURCE. "Once in power, it's important to give some slack so that people feel freer ... to see a little more of our team members out in the media," Plante said. But until then, the discipline Poilievre imposes on his MPs enables him to avoid most pitfalls and issue a consistent message. It's a method that may merely generate resentment against an opposition leader, but can quickly become a pebble in a prime minister's shoe. Christian Noel Reporter, Radio-Canada

LOSERS. LOSERS LOSERS HA HA HA

as suspected....deflect and take no responsibility for being obnoxious LOL Oh and I do not care what anybody thinks...as you've been told numerous times.

Caucus in Crisis: Conservatives in Turmoil as Pierre Poilievre Poilievre Faces Growing Pressure What began as a chance to define the budget narrative quickly spiraled into a week of internal damage control, defections, and whispered doubts about the Conservative leader’s future. The trouble started just before Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne tabled the Mark Carney government’s first budget, a massive spending plan the Conservatives had been eager to oppose. But within hours, headlines shifted. Long-time Nova Scotia MP Chris d’Entremont announced he was crossing the floor to join the Liberals. Party insiders say senior Conservatives rushed to his office in a last-minute attempt to stop him. It didn’t work. Standing beside Prime Minister Mark Carney the next day, d’Entremont said he no longer felt represented by the tone and direction of Poilievre’s leadership, and hinted that other MPs felt the same. Resignation Adds to the Fallout Within 48 hours, another blow hit. Alberta MP Matt Jeneroux, a four-term Conservative, suddenly announced he would resign from federal politics, citing family reasons. But his departure, coming amid rumours that he, too, had been approached by Liberals, deepened the sense of instability. By Thursday evening, the focus in Ottawa had fully shifted: not to the budget’s numbers, but to the Conservative leader’s future. One senior strategist described the mood bluntly: “It’s not rebellion, but it is anxiety. A few more surprises like this, and members will start asking if he can win.” From Attack Mode to Defence For a party that had planned to spend budget week criticizing Liberal spending, the script flipped completely. Internal sources said the Conservatives went from “attack mode to containment mode overnight,” as senior aides scrambled to ensure no more caucus surprises before the next sitting week. Poilievre’s leadership team insists the caucus remains “united and focused.” But privately, organizers acknowledge the pressure has intensified ahead of the mandatory leadership review next year. Leadership Review Looms Large Following the 2025 election, which left the Conservatives with 144 seats to the Liberals’ 169, Poilievre must face party delegates at a leadership review convention in Calgary. Until recently, insiders believed he could secure more than 80 percent support. Now, amid defections and uncertainty, that number is less certain. Party organizers are now monitoring delegate selections riding by riding, an unusual level of vigilance this far out from convention season. A Missed Opportunity Budget week is usually a golden opportunity for the Opposition to control the message. Instead, the Conservatives spent it explaining internal turbulence while the Liberals strengthened their footing in the House, just three seats away from a majority. Former Tory strategists now warn that the next few weeks will be crucial. If even one more MP crosses the floor, it could shift the balance of power, and possibly Poilievre’s political future. “This was supposed to be the week they defined the budget,” one senior operative said. “Instead, it’s the week everyone started asking if Pierre can survive his own caucus.” Your Turn What do you think, can Poilievre hold his party together, or are the cracks showing? Drop your comment below. Keep it respectful, strong opinions welcome, personal attacks not.

Wow...2 LOSERS agreeing...what a surprise...NOT HA HA HA

What a LOSER you are ... LOL

You know, it is one thing to debate and discuss and even argue and disrespect the person you are posting with. It is totally another when you get caught in a lie, called out, proven to be wrong and you insult and call names (which you do with everyone, not just me) but when you resort to being disrespectful to a person who's had parents pass away, well, it indicates what type of person you truly are. You are a disgrace to conservatives everywhere and to your cohorts here on this forum. Even people on this forum do not nor would not be disrespectful to family, dead or alive except for you...and I have read many many posts and you are the only one that stoops so low as to invoke family in an attempt to distract their failings as you do. There is no other poster, regardless s of how much we disagree or argue that would stoop as low as you. I truly hope your parents are still alive and you see them and respect them and I also hope that you are not a parent as your attitude, demeanour and behaviour is not something you kids should see or experience. I can hardly wait to read your denial, deflection and excuse for your despicable behaviour...and it will surely come.

HA HA HA. Look in the mirror to see who keeps coming back for more.... Oh yeah...it's always you LOL

Nope, but thanks for giving yorr attention to me LOL Disrespect to those that passed away is a clear indication of what kind of person you are....a sad sad little man

Yeah, the confux 1diot alarm keeps waking me up LOL Do you ever have anything intelligent to add to any conversation...and bringing up my dead Mom is absolutely demonstrative of how much of a A hole you truly are

HA HA HA still in your head and continuing to make you retort... HA HA HA

Nope....snoozing at your banter.... which is all it is worth LOL

Oh, you're back LOL Still in your head I see LOL As I said once before, you or your ilk's opinion of me is absolutely immaterial. I could not, in any way , care what you think of me....and I keep trolling you fools to prove it as you keep coming back for more and more.

U Huh...keep trying. Wasting time with you has become boring. I retort only because it is fun watching you battle with me in you head. As I said once before, you or your ilk's opinion of me is absolutely immaterial. I could not, in any way , care what you think of me....and I keep trolling you fools to prove it as you keep coming back for more and more. It seems to me that puberty is a age you have yet to achieve as you keep up your childlike tantrums over and over .... and will again because little me in your head makes you do it LOL

I agree and would like to add that it is not just government that has access to you and your life but anyone that has computer skills.... for good or bad reasons. Almost every day we learn about one company, corporation, government agency being hacked and personal information is stolen. All because we already have our lives within the Digital ID world.