Hudson Jones

I have no problem acknowledging Turkey's role and double standards. I know about Turkey's role in the Armenian genocide and the atrocities they've committed towards the Kurds. I'm not going to defend it and would not stand it if someone tries to. Do you see anyone in this forum defending Syria's actions? No. Do you see anyone here defending Iran's actions against its own people? No. Do you see anyone here defending the Armenian genocide? No. Do you see anyone here defending Israel's human rights violations against the people in the occupied territories? Yes. Just because you have a need to pick teams and give unconditional support for the team, it doesn't mean others should too. If someone commits human rights violations and breaks international law, they should be condemned. Especially if my country, Canada, decides to succumb to Israeli lobby and fail to treat Israel with the standard that it should.

Yes. Yes. We may have contributed to the deaths.

It's odd that you say that since all I have posted is information from reports and articles, while you have sat here giving opinions and trying to figure out who I am by throwing around ridiculous accusations. You have failed in responding to the post I made which ruins your personal opinion about sewage dumping by settlers. When you gather the courage, try responding to and acknowledging the following: A 2004 report by Friends of the Earth Middle East found that only 6% of Israeli settlements adequately treated their sewage. The settlers account for only 10% of the population of the West Bank, yet produce 25% of sewage pollution, the study found. The group also found that sewage from settlements was polluting the underground water aquifer that serves both Israel and the West Bank. The Israeli Ministry of the Environment which is responsible for enforcing environmental standards in Israeli settlements only took steps against 14 of more than 60 colonies illegally discharging sewage, the FOEME report says. Link

What do you mean "may" have? They shot and killed. Don't be ridiculous. You can leave the court mumble jumble with the politicians. Can you inject some truth and reality into your rhetoric? Israel entered a boat in international water and assassinated people. "May" have. Grow up and stop playing these games. UN Report on what took place on the Mavi Marmara link to un.org Netanyahu “Operational Mistakes” The findings of external examinations carried out on the bodies of the deceased were summarized as follows: Body no. 1: Bullet wounds: two in the abdomen-chest on the left side, one tangential wound on the left side of the abdomen, on the back from the right, on the right elbow, in the right arm, on the left hand, two on the left thigh. Superficial lacerations on the face, abrasions and scratches. Body no. 2: Bullet wounds: on the right side of the head, on the right side of the back of the neck, on the right cheek, underneath the chin, on the right side of the back, on the left thigh. A bullet was palpated on the left side of the chest. Abrasion on the right arm. Body no. 3: Bullet wound on the right side of the back of the neck, two bullet wounds on the right side of the back of the neck, a bullet wound on the right side of the abdomen, a bullet wound on the right side of the lower back, a bullet wound on the left back-buttock. Body no. 4: Bullet wounds: on the left breast, the left buttock, the right shoulder, the right thigh, the right calf, two in the left thigh. Subcutaneous bleeding on the right side of the forehead. Lacerations on the forehead. Variousadditional abrasions. Body no. 5: Two bullet wounds in the left shoulder, bullet wound in the right side of the chest, bullet wound in the right shoulder, bullet wound in the right thigh. Body no. 6: Bullet wounds in the forehead and the back of the neck. Abrasion wounds on the right side of the forehead, the nose, the right knee. Body no. 7: Bullet wounds on the left side of the chest,subcutaneous bleeding on the back,the left calf, and right elbow joint. Body no. 8: Bullet wounds on the front of the right ear, bullet palpated under the skin of the torso on the left side, two bullet wounds on the right side of the back, bullet wound on the right buttock, various abrasions. Body no. 9: Bullet wounds in the area of the right temple/back of neck, bullet wound in the left nipple, bullet wound in the area of the scalp-forehead on the left side, bullet wound on the face (nose), bulllet wound on the left torso, bullet wound on the right side of the back, two bullet wounds in the left thigh, two bullet wounds as aresult of the bullet passing through toes four and five on the left foot "May" have.

Newsflash: Israel has apologized for its role and is paying compensation to the victims' families. That, to any person who is not trying to play your silly games, is an admission of responsibility.

Yes. The reaction and the behaviour being displayed towards Israel's apology to Turkey and the compensation for the killings is quite odd.

It's not about convincing. It's about Rue not missing the information that shows how wrong he is. With the response he made, he obviously didn't notice the information that the Israeli government only took steps against 14 of more than 60 colonies (settlements) illegally discharging sewage.

If Israel has apologized for the deaths of people and is going to give compensation to the family of the people it has killed... hm.. what does that say to anyone who has a sense of logic and rational?

What do you man that's it? ? Is this some kind of a monty python skit? It's bolded and in big letters. Let me repeat it for you. The Israeli Ministry of the Environment which is responsible for enforcing environmental standards in Israeli settlements only took steps against 14 of more than 60 colonies illegally discharging sewage

Your links does not respond to what I have posted. You are using the case of a malfunctioning pump which has caused sewage spilling onto Palestinian land somewhere else to say that the settlers are not dumping their sewage. There are dozens of cases of settler sewage contaminating Palestinian land. The article I posted above is just one of them. Environmentalists maintain that the Israeli authorities are not doing enough to prevent pollution in the West Bank. In April, Israel gave the go-ahead to settlers to convert a former Palestinian quarry into a dump for industrial waste from Israel and Jewish settlements in the West Bank. Settlement sewage often flows untreated onto Palestinian farmland Around 10,000 metric tons of waste are set to be dumped at the site each month. A 2004 report by Friends of the Earth Middle East found that only 6% of Israeli settlements adequately treated their sewage. The settlers account for only 10% of the population of the West Bank, yet produce 25% of sewage pollution, the study found. The group also found that sewage from settlements was polluting the underground water aquifer that serves both Israel and the West Bank. The Israeli Ministry of the Environment which is responsible for enforcing environmental standards in Israeli settlements only took steps against 14 of more than 60 colonies illegally discharging sewage, the FOEME report says. Link

Netanyahu apologized to Turkey for errors made that led to the deaths. That's not only the conclusion but it's a fact. I said that they didn't kill anyone and the attack on the ship was in the international waters. You said that's my opinion and I corrected you by saying those are not my opinion, but facts. You had several opportunities to show Israel's explanation and you failed in doing it. Either learn to back up your statements or stop spreading misinformation. No matter what you are trying to do here, Israel has apologized to Turkey for its role in the deaths of the Turks. Israel will now be paying compensation to the families. This shows that they are responsible for the deaths.

If a drunk driver kills people unintentionally, he is still guilty. Israel made mistakes that led to the deaths of people and this is why they apologized. They were guilty of errors which led to deaths of people. It's very simple. Twisting and turning won't change that. The people on the boat not killing anyone is not my opinion. It's a fact. Their ship being boarded in international waters is not my opinion. It's a fact. That's okay. I don't expect you to admit to the false information you spread on here. You have done it many times and every single time you are questioned, you either try to twist and turn or you simply run away and not respond. Which is what you did again this time in the thread I've linked to above. You ran away and did not respond. This is who you are.

He is apologizing for the errors that were made. Israel was guilty of making mistakes that lead to deaths. This is why Bibi apologized. Those on the flotilla didn't kill anyone. They were in international waters and were defending themselves from piracy. This is why there was no apology made and this is why Bibi was the only one who apologized. Oh and once you get around to it, show some courage and answer yet another post you failed to respond to. Either explain your comment or admit that your comment was misinformation.

Okay? And? A person apologizes for making a mistake. Netanyahu voiced regret for the loss of life in the 2010 Mavi Marmara incident, apologizing for any mistakes that led to the death of nine Turkish activists. Link This is admitting that Israel made a mistake and the apology is proof of this. It doesn't get any simpler. You and Lieberman have the same views. Yisrael Beytenu chairman MK Avigdor Lieberman blasted Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Friday, over Netanyahu"s apology to Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Earlier, Netanyahu spoke on the phone with his Turkish counterpart and apologized for the deaths of nine Turks in a 2010 raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla. Link

Why would a person apologize for something if they were not guilty of doing something wrong?

It's important to realize that many groups from different backgrounds also agree that Israel practices apartheid-like policies, especially in the occupied territories. Some of the loudest voices against Israel's human rights violations and arrogant and immoral treatment of Palestinians are Jews both inside Israel and outside Israel.

At the risk of another incoherent, long-winded, personal opinion about who I am, my agenda and the white-washing of Israel's actions and the history of the region, I must say; You are not able to have a proper debate. This is why you rarely get a response from people. When a person tries to brush aside and pretend that numerous human rights reports, international court of justice opinions and other expert organizations, because he doesn't like how Israel is being criticized, then there is no point in communicating with that person.

I don't understand what Rue is talking about now. Can someone translate his latest rant? Did Bibi apologize or not?

It's not just the Israeli government who has a habit of stinking up the situation. The settlers, as shown in a previous link, continue to dump sewage onto Palestinian land. Of course, the Israeli government does nothing to stop this. Sometimes it's difficult to tell the Jewish settlers apart from the Israeli government. Palestinians demonstrate against sewage settlers spill onto their land About 100 Palestinians from the ancient village of Sebastia and their supporters held a demonstration today to protest against settlers spilling their sewage onto the village’s agricultural lands. Link

Okay then. Bringing up the fact that Carrey is a Canadian who received his American citizenship is a moot point. Your personal hurt feelings about Canadians and their thoughts on America has nothing to do with what Carrey can or cannot do. Carrey can talk about his negative feelings towards the gun laws in U.S. and he can try to influence the American culture even though he decided to become a U.S. citizen. Getting your U.S. citizenship does not mean that you need to agree with everything in the U.S. culture.

At one point, slavery was part of the culture as well. The gun laws will be changed just like many other laws have changed in the past.

One must understand then deal with the legality of Israel's actions before going into long emotional rants and personal opinions Here is the International Court of Justice's opinion on Israel's wall, East Jerusalem and the settlements in the West Bank. Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian TerritoryThe Court responds to the question as follows: - “A. By fourteen votes to one, The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law”; - “B. By fourteen votes to one, Israel is under an obligation to terminate its breaches of international law; it is under an obligation to cease forthwith the works of construction of the wall being built in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated, and to repeal or render ineffective forthwith all legislative and regulatory acts relating thereto, in accordance with paragraph 151 of this Opinion”; - “C. By fourteen votes to one, Israel is under an obligation to make reparation for all damage caused by the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem”; - “D. By thirteen votes to two, All States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction; all States parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 have in addition the obligation, while respecting the United Nations Charter and international law, to ensure compliance by Israel with international humanitarian law as embodied in that Convention”;

Meaning that one cannot look into changing and influencing part of the culture that he does not agree with?

Oh and this: GOP lawmaker calls Hispanic workers ‘wetbacks’ During a discussion about ongoing challenges to the economy Thursday, Alaska Republican Rep. Don Young referred to Hispanic workers as "wetbacks," an ethnic slur used to describe migrant workers. He has since apologized. “My father had a ranch; we used to have 50-60 wetbacks to pick tomatoes,” Young told Alaska public radio station KRBD.

The RNC outlined plans Monday for a $10 million outreach to minority groups as part of a strategy to make the GOP more "welcoming and inclusive" for voters. You think there will be any traction? How will they be able to reach the minority group, considering their, what many call, anti-immigration policies?