Hudson Jones

When there are no recorded physical violence towards non-Muslims by Muslims in England and all there are a few videos by a group of kids who have been arrested, verbally (not physically) abusing and intimidating a few people, and the group of kids have been condemned by the Muslim community, then yeah, the point has been proven: The fear is unjustified.

Okay? And? What's your point?

The fear is as unjustified as someone who has a fear of spiders. A few kids videoing themselves verbally bullying people on the streets is nothing compared to the violence that happens outside of the Muslim community in England or the violence the Muslim community receives because they are Muslim. There is more violence on Muslims in England than this make belief picture that you and your ilk try to sell from the so-called Muslim extremists.

Spare me the 50/50, pathetic fence sitting bull crap to try to make yourself look like some kind of a hero. You want to feel like a man? Then, first, learn about the history of the region by getting through the whitewashing, the lies and the distortions presented by the Zionists, then, without shame, admit the truth. What has happened in the region is a simple case of colonialism. What has followed is despair, desperation and more injustice.

- No one has been physically harmed - There is no evidence that the video was recorded after the arrests - Muslim communities and their leaders have all condemned and distanced themselves from these people The fear of going to these neighbourhoods for not being Muslim is unjustified. Attacks and violence on Muslims, because they are Muslim is a bigger problem in England. Why? Because they are more rampant and they include physical violence and property attacks. Right wing groups such as English Defense League and BNP are two of the larger groups who attack and abuse minorities, especially Muslims on a regular basis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4FPsCdDOK0 Violence against Muslim is also happening in your own back yard, American Woman. A Quiet Campaign of Violence Against American Muslims - Peter Beinart

Tragically, that's how Nazis and their supporters try to justify the killing of innocent civilians they did not need to kill.

This is how the state of Israel was built--on the mass grave of Palestinians: Skeletal remains of dozens of Palestinians killed by Israelis during 1948 have been found in a mass grave in Tel Aviv The remains of dozens of Palestinians killed by Israelis in fighting during the war of 1948 which led to the creation of the state of Israel have been found in a mass grave in Tel Aviv's Jaffa district. An official at the Muslim cemetery there told AFP news agency that the grisly find occurred on Wednesday when ground subsided as workers carried out renovations, revealing six chambers full of skeletons. Jaffa fisherman Atar Zeinab, 80, says that as a teenager during the final months of fighting in 1948, he helped to collect the Arab dead in the area south of Jaffa and bring them for hasty burial in the cemetery, the area's main graveyard. Link

Those involved in what I brought up are a very small number of people who have been condemned by Muslim groups and they have been arrested. Not only that but they were not found to be violent. They used verbal intimidation. What they did was/is not a regular occurrence, so to try to make it sound like it's a regular occurrence, instead of what it really is, is incorrect. So the videos and the amount of times these things happen do not legitimize the fear of going into those neighbourhoods because of the so-called Muslim extremists.

Monstanto spends millions a year doing their own favourable research, buying research labs in order to control their findings, paying millions to doctors to come out as experts who support Monsanto, paying millions to squash unfavourable internet links and pushing up favourable pro-monsanto links into the top 10 pages of google. Let's not forget the millions they pay political prostitutes around the world in order to protect them from those pesky 'tree huggers' and 'leftists' and 'liberals' and 'vegetarians' and 'sean penn'. I wonder why there are people here who are being their mouth piece for free.

Next, in a few years, some people will be up in arms because others will be asking and expecting companies to label meat that have come from animals which have been genetically modified and pumped with steroids. Like chickens with 6 breasts. Mmmm!

Furthermore, London has several violent neighbourhoods and none, except for maybe Tower Hamlets, would be considered predominantly Muslim: London is home to the UK's ten most violent places to live - Lewisham is the most violent place to live in the country - Plagued by youth knife crime, murder and public disorder - Lambeth, Hackney, Newham and Tower Hamlets also among the lease peaceful - Study also shows sharp drop in crime over last ten years Link The main cause for the violence? Social division and extreme poverty, and not religion. Which is a theme all around the world.

When it comes to safety, going into those neighbourhoods is not like going into Harlem in the 70's and 80's or going to Southcentral in the 90's. Not to justify their actions but what they did was harass and intimidate people verbally. No one was physically abused by any of these self-proclaimed Muslim vigilantes.

They are a very small number of people who have been condemned by Muslim groups. What they did was/is not a regular occurrence and there have been arrests. Sixth arrest in ‘Muslim patrol’ investigation Link

Their fear is not justified. This is what I'm trying to say.

Due to privacy reasons? You don't have to mention any names. I'm white and I've lived in England before moving back to Canada. There is certainly a noticeable difference in population of Muslims, especially religious Muslims in cities in England when compared to Canadian cities. Last year I spent some time in London, walking in many Muslim neighbourhoods while helping a friend and his group doing research in regards to the impact of immigration and religion in Europe. Coincidentally, this was around the time a few videos were released showing "Muslim Patrols" in East London harassing and intimdating people who were drinking or were wearing so-called revealing clothing. I didn't run into any of these patrols myself, even though we looked for them, but there is no denying that they do exist. From what we gathered, majority of the Muslims do not see them as their representative. Even one of the top imams made a speech, condemning these kids and speaking out against their actions. Published on 18 Jan 2013 This Friday sermon presents an Islamic response to the so called Muslim vigilantism being carried out by a minority of Muslims who claim to be implementing a 'shari'ah patrol' in the London borough of Tower Hamlets. I recommend checking this link, which covers the Muslim Patrol issue and the perspective of Muslims on it. I should mention that the only time I felt unsafe in England was after attending a couple of football matches. One in Manchester and the other in London. All of them involved drunk hooligans who didn't like the jerseys I wore. Good thing I was traveling in groups.

segnosaur sure put me and the study I posted in our place by posting a study done by none other than Monsanto.

Tim, you are in denial and you are contradicting yourself.

At the bottom of the chart, it specifies that the GMO corn is GMO/Roundup Ready. One of the most widely used corns. Are you going to continue to deny that there is a huge nutritional and chemical difference between the GMO corn and non-GMO corn as shown in the study? This is what you said: Are you going to admit that you're wrong?

There is no such thing as genetically modified corn and non-genetically modified corn? What the heck are you talking about?

By the way, Tim? How come you didn't respond to my post in regards to the difference between GMO and non-GMO corn? Is this part of the stubbornness to acknowledge the truth? Source

My father-in-law is around 60 and he used to complain about people complaining about what goes into their food. He was also allergic to strawberries. He would get a terrible rash and his throat and neck would inflate. Someone recommended that he would try organic strawberries. He did and there was no allergic reaction. This experience made him finally admit that there is a difference between organic and non-organic food. The resistance that some people put forth in acknowledging the difference between many chemically sprayed, gmo food and organic food is a sign of stubbornness and unwillingness to acknowledge research, studies and facts that are right in front of us. Next resistance? Not admitting that processed food is bad for you. "But but but.. i've been eating bacon and sausage all my life!"

Did they go into detail in how and why they were in fear to go into these neighbourhoods? Had they experienced something to justify this fear?

You said their fears do exist and they are justified. How are they justified?

Harper vs Harper He is his own biggest critic:

This goes to show who shares the same ideas and beliefs as you when it comes to Muslims When did I defend radical Islam? Speaking out against your tribalism and zealotry does not mean that I defend the fanatics and extremists on the other side. Is there some news piece you can link to show that people's lives are in danger if they travel to these predominantly Muslim neighbourhoods because they are non-Muslim?