TreeBeard

That Jesus is merciful and compassionate? I have a lot of passages about that! In John 15 there is no greater love than to sacrifice yourself for your friends. MAID is like that. A sacrifice to end your own suffering for you and your loved ones. Jesus approves. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Is there an atheistic reason to have social disruption? I always thought atheism was an answer to a question about belief in gods. Why would you think atheism has tenets, or prescribes views on social interaction?

That’s why He approves of MAID.

But He loves them.

Except you’re discussing the topic by making a false analogy. Not useful at all.

If we’re going to boil it down to a meaningless slogan like “don’t waste money”, then I agree; government debt is the same as household debt. But…. Is that really all that useful?

Your reference to the death penalty is out of the Old Testament. There are certainly wars today. Why not take the virgin women? Absolutely. It matches Jesus’ intentions, if you interpret it that way. Plenty of passages discuss mercy and God being merciful and compassionate. Ending suffering is a mercy. 7 Blessed are the merciful, iFor they shall obtain mercy.

As a general statement, God is not against killing. He loves it sometimes! He even needed people to sacrifice animals to him. MAID is an exception too. Jesus spoke about mercy and compassions. That’s where MAID aligns with Jesus’ word. Are you for taking virgins as spoils of war, as per God’s command?

The difference is not the value judgement we make on whether it’s frivolous or not, it’s how the debt is serviced and how government funds are different from household funds. Like servicing a debt over many decades, or being able to raise money via taxation, or the debt becoming lessened by GDP growth. Thats a value judgment still, and not how government debt actually works vs household debt. Saying “this is wasteful” tells me nothing about how the debt is actually handled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-Household_analogy

How can you tell when it’s “bigger” or whether you’re still just having a chat with yourself?

Why just libel and slander? You seem to be exactly in favour of what already exists and no more. I’m wondering what’s special about those. I edited my post to correct you on slander not being criminal; it is in many states.

First, you’re incorrect. In the USA, some states criminalize slander. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_defamation_law#Criminal_defamation But, if hate speech was civil law, you would be in favour of that?

Yes, I agree. I was trying to meet them at the “household debt is the same as government debt” argument. It’s a terrible argument, but conservatives use it a lot.

I read the 2nd part incorrectly. Ignore the yelling fire part. What about libel and slander?

So when you say “killing is contrary to God’s word” you’re wrong. He likes killing as a punishment. God also ordered keeping virgin women as spoils of war. Are you in favour of that too?

You’re right. Both are sanctioned by the state. I should have said capital punishment is the state choosing to kill someone, while MAID is the individual choosing for themselves. Still apples and oranges. Are you in favour of the death penalty?

How so?

What about libel and slander? I think the analogy is about the consequences of such speech. If someone is trampled to death, was yelling “fire” still ok in your opinion?

Because they chose to. Apples and oranges. One is an individual choice to end their own suffering, the other is the state sanctioning killing someone. If you don’t see the difference there, I’m not sure what to tell you.

Why in the future? Why do’nt they put your scenario, that you claim they want, into legislation now?

What if your grandchildren benefited from the widget you borrowed money to build? Say one of them was poor, so he only had to pay back a little, and the other was rich and he had to pay a bit more? But neither paid for the whole thing, as it was also being paid for by their children or grandchildren as well? Multiple generations benefitting from the widget that the original loan built, paid off over generations based on how wealthy they were. That would be a better analogy.

Until they’re separated on a ballot, there’s only the 2 parties.

The folks who cannot make rational decisions are not eligible for MAID.

Same logic applies if I don’t want to live any longer due to intolerable suffering. MAID is available old fella, therefore it is a route to go if I choose. But you didn’t answer my question, old timer: If God values dying naturally when you’re suffering with terminal cancer, why doesn’t He value dying naturally if you have treatable pneumonia?

Then your argument about a “natural death” is rather silly, as we don’t apply that standard to anything else. If God wants a natural death for you when you’re suffering at the end of your life, why wouldn’t he want a natural death for you when you get pneumonia when you’re 25?