TreeBeard

I never said there was currently the political will. There will need to be eventually though.

Your contention was that nothing can be done…. That’s not actually true, is it? There needs to be political will. Maybe choose your words more carefully.

You probably got your hand slapped for your copy/paste sermons, not for actual discussion. Don’t hide behind the moderators to avoid discussion.

You said competition shooters don’t get robbed…. How does the burglar know where competition shooters live? Simple question…. Stay focused…. Try not to go off on a loony ranting tangent.

Why would I believe you about what can be done and not experts in the field of study?

You can be defeatist and say there’s nothing we can do about it, but there’s no denying that it’s actually happening. But, pollutants can change and damage the environment, like acid rain…. I didn’t say pollutants WERE the environment.

You’ll have to find other ways beyond MAID for that. So, they have a say how MAID is used, not necessarily a “final say” in your decision.

He said “thou shalt not kill but…”. You have mentioned many exceptions to this Commandment. Soldiers can kill…. Police can kill…. we can kill defending ourselves…. He won’t mind us easing suffering, as that’s what those other medicines do that extend our lives beyond what is natural…. they both ease suffering.

He also gave us the same knowledge, science and medicine to help ease our suffering at the end of life. There’s no difference there.

This would be a boring forum if all we ever did was agree on everything…. it would be more like “preaching to the converted”. He’s not in charge though. People created medicines made of chemicals to keep us alive much longer than He intended. Isn’t that “playing God” as well?

“It never changes, but….” If it never changed, there wouldn’t be a “but”. And the exceptions would be clearly laid out and not open to interpretation. There are exceptions depending on the circumstances and what you believe. So, the Commandment changes. But it only changes ever changes in your favour. Never against. Odd.

No, it has nothing to do with why He allows suffering. The argument was that we should die a “natural” death. But God approves of us living unnaturally long. So, I put no stock into the argument about natural deaths. It makes no sense that we should die a natural death when He allows us to live unnatural life.

So God even changes on His Commandment “thou shalt not kill”. You had to backtrack on “God does not change” to God doesn’t change the big things But even the big things, God changes all the time! A Canadian can’t go over to Afghanistan right now and shoot Afghanis. That would break the Commandment and be a grave sin. But, if Canada declares that the Afghanis should be shot, then God approves. I find it quite an odd coincidence that God always sides with what the believer determines is correct. In this case, God will always be on the Canadian side, if Canadians determine that killing Afghanis is just. God just nods His head…

Well, if He intended us to make medicines to keep us alive beyond what is natural, then why couldn’t he have intended us to make ways for us to ease suffering and to pass into His arms earlier than is natural?

Do you believe that God would allow killing someone in a just war, for instance? Like the Canadian troops in Afghanistan, for example. Did God allow them to kill Afghanis during the war?

If this was actually a concern, we wouldn’t take man-made medications like vaccines or cancer fighting chemotherapy because those things are not natural in any way. We should just allow cancer to kill us…. naturally…. like God intended.

I know why you might see trickery in it and want to avoid answering it. It’s a tough question for someone who claims God never changes. In fact, it completely destroys the claim that God does not change. At some point in time, God endorsed killing gay people. It’s right there in the bible. In this day and age, as your copy/paste said, God does not command gays be put to death. Even this answer implies that, at some point, God did command gays be put to death. You said “God does not change”. The fact that it was permissible at one time, but not now, is evidence that God does indeed change.

How does a burglar tell that a competition shooter owns a particular home so they can avoid it?

You didn’t really answer the question…. Is it ok for a 13 year old to have an abortion, say at 5 weeks, due to rape/incest? Or is she an irresponsible lying slut by then as well?

I didn’t ask about this day and age. I asked: was it permissible by God, at any point in time in the past, to kill gay people?

Pregnancy is dangerous. You and I believe the same thing, but just draw the line in a different place. If the pregnancy is from rape or incest, then you have no issues with forcing a woman to remain pregnant?

So you believe that chemicals released by people can cause acid rain, but you don’t believe that chemicals released by people can cause the atmosphere to warm up. You don’t think rainfall is part of the climate? Why believe one and not the other? The science behind each is the same…

Was it permissible to kill gay people at some point, as it is written in the bible to do?

Why would we need to accept both if one is consensual between adults, and the other clearly is not? Thats the same as saying “if we accept killing in self defence, then we must accept murder too”.

Did you know there’s an international treaty that has reduced acid rain significantly by countries agreeing to not use certain chemicals? Do you believe this to be true, or do you think that is made up?