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Republicans complain when Dems stage events and reject any argument that “both sides do it”. The. Republicans stage an event and say “both sides do it”

1) It is not almost certain that Trump bows out if he clearly loses. On fact that is highly unlikely 2) What about one of the most plausible scenarios, a close election that he barely loses where there are no clear issues or grounds for a challenge? Of course he will falsely allege there are issues and you will believe him. It’s almost certain that in either case he will claim fraud and whip out his new and improved 2020 election lie playbook 1) Pressuring election officials, state and federal legislators, forging fake electoral certificates, filing dozens of baseless junk lawsuits with fabricated and false claims as Trump did in 2020 and will likely do again in 2024 is not anything remotely comparable to Bush v Gore dispute over how a mandatory recount should be conducted 2) I didn’t say Gore “should have” won. In fact pointed out that if the recount had happened in the districts Gore had proposed he still would have lost. However I point out a simple fact that a state-wide recount, which he didn’t request, would have resulted in a Gore win. If he convinces swing states to certify his electors regardless on the actual vote count he could become president. As I said failing that he still will commit these acts just to cause as much damage to a Harris presidency as possible by causing a half of the population to falsely believe Kamala stole the election. Yeah exactly and MAGAs have been grooming, cultivating, and placing people at all levels of government for 4 years now. I will say it again: if it’s so far fetched for him to do exactly what he did last time the. put your money where your mouth is. When was she ever a middle class housewife?

On election night he will declare himself the winner regardless of the vote count. Do you deny it? Do you honestly believe he will not do exactly what he did in the past, like he learned his lesson last time and is sorry and promises to never do it again? He and his minions are already spreading 2024 rigged election conspiracies. Amd they’ve already placed 2020 election deniers and some of his 2020 fake electors in key positions. You think that’s all because they plan to concede on election night if they don’t win? I didn’t say he would declare himself king. If he doesn’t win he will do everything to make people believe the election results are illegitimate and Kamala Harris is an illegitimate president, regardless of whether that results in Trump being named president or not. Conspiracy-fuelled constitutional crises, insurrections, government obstruction etc that plague the Harris presidency would be a suitable consolation prize because Trump’s fragile ego can’t admit that he’s not god-like perfection incarnate And it doesn’t require “everybody” to go along with it, just enough people in the right places Again I challenge any one of you MAGAs to put your money where your mouth is. Join me in a bet. Is every one of you a coward?

I never said you have short posts. I said you demand OTHERS have short posts. Because you have a short attention span and think your opinions are more important than that of others 1) The article does not “radically embellish” anything. Give an example of what’s been embellished The article basically says he will do everything the did last time, with some tweaks since republicans have had 4 years to prepare this time, which includes having positioned some 2020 election deniers as county election officials, in state legislatures etc 2) The article clearly states that if he can get a state legislature to endorse his electors regardless of the vote results, then Kamala may have no choice but to certify them as there is constitutional requirement that the state honour the results of the popular vote. Furthermore he’s had 4 years to groom and pressure Republicans in congress to refuse certification just as he did in 2020 3) Even if he can’t convince Kamala or congress to certify him as the winner he will of course say that the certification is “rigged” because Kamala in her role as VP is overseeing her own certification. Even after it becomes clear he can’t become president will continue to delegitimize the election results and sow chaos…if he can’t be president nobody can. Do you honestly believe if he loses on November 5 he will gracefully concede defeat and support a peaceful transition of power? If so let’s bet money on it. I’m serious…loser donates money to the GoFundMe account of the winner’s choice. Last election I got sharmkan to donate $100 to Breonna Taylor’s GoDundMe over election denier bets. You wanna be next?

But the article suggests she may not have a choice if a GOP state legislature decides to endorse them

Its more or less what he did and tried in 2020

Cmon. Its not they like happened to say those works in friendly conversation, they were shouting it at her to shout her down and disrupt her event. They are Trump supporters shouting her down and that’s why they don’t belong there “Jesus is lord” is not a magic phrase which changes that fact.

It seems it was closed for the entire day until 4pm, Kamala at least let people enjoy the restaurant until 4pm.

Trump’s staged McDonalds event where he shuts down the restaurant, pretends to make fries and serve fake customers at a drive thru. See thread:

I know you like things to be short and simple and contain as little information as possible. But if you want to fool people into thinking you’re smart you shouldn’t complain about having to read, I only posted excerpts from the article instead of the full length out of kindness to you. Everything described in that article is a version of what he tried in 2020. It’s like you deleted the 2020 election from your memory. He did or tried all of the things described in the article in the last election. Look we all know that next month he is going to claim he won no matter what the election outcome is. And if the result is for Kamala we know he’s going to claim the vote is rigged and try to have himself named President. Does anyone really believe otherwise? Do you want to bet actual money on it?

What do you mean aren’t probable? He did or attempted all of these things mentioned n 2020. This article just describes how they’ll be refined for the current election.

The Very Real Scenario Where Trump Loses and Takes Power Anyway If Trump overturns the 2024 election, here’s how it could happen. Dozens of interviews with people deeply familiar or involved with the election process point to a clear consensus: Not only could Trump make a second attempt at overturning an election he loses, he and his allies are already laying the groundwork. …. The answer, according to lawmakers, congressional investigators, party operatives, election officials and constitutional law experts, goes something like this: — He will deepen distrust in the election results by making unsupported or hyperbolic claims of widespread voter fraud and mounting longshot lawsuits challenging enough ballots to flip the outcome in key states. — He will lean on friendly county and state officials to resist certifying election results — a futile errand that would nevertheless fuel a campaign to put pressure on elected Republican legislators in statehouses and Congress. — He will call on allies in GOP-controlled swing-state legislatures to appoint “alternate” presidential electors. — He will rely on congressional Republicans to endorse these alternate electors — or at least reject Democratic electors — when they convene to certify the outcome. — He will try to ensure Harris is denied 270 votes in the Electoral College, sending the election to the House, where Republicans are likely to have the numbers to choose Trump as the next president. Some of the necessary ingredients for this extraordinary campaign are in place. Trump has already embarked on a clear mission to stoke as much uncertainty as possible about the results of the election. He claims that the only way he can lose to Harris is if Democrats cheat — despite no evidence that any significant fraud occurred in 2020 or is underway in 2024. Dutiful allies have amplified these messages. And many of the officials who stood in Trump’s path four years ago have been ousted or retired, ceding power to more compliant Trump-aligned successors. … It’s possible Trump and his allies won’t make a sustained effort to overturn his election defeat. An overwhelming Harris victory would make it harder for Trump to rally Republicans to his side. (If Trump wins, no one expects a comparable effort by Democrats to subvert the election.) But to a person, election observers, elected leaders and some of Trump’s own allies agree on one operating premise: On election night, no matter what the results show, how many votes remain uncounted and how many advisers tell him otherwise, Donald Trump will declare himself the winner. And from there, he could embark on a risky but plausible challenge to overturn the legitimate election results and install himself in the White House. Here’s how it could happen. Breeding Distrust What Trump will do first is what he’s already doing: stoking deep, unfounded doubts about the integrity of the election. Trump has spent weeks promoting unsupported claims of mass voter fraud by Democrats, suggesting they’re illegally registering thousands of non-citizens to vote and soliciting unlawful votes from foreigners. He’s also raised doubts about the Postal Service’s ability to process mail ballots, even as he’s worked to reverse Democrats’ edge in the format… … Pressuring County and State Election Boards … In 2020, Trump leaned on state and county election officials, pressuring them to refuse to certify the results. He personally called officials in Arizona, Georgia and Michigan but made little headway. Since that failed attempt, Trump allies have won seats on county and state election boards across the swing states likely to decide the 2024 contest. He recently identified by name three members of the Georgia State Elections Board at a rally, calling them “pitbulls” fighting for his “victory.” (In recent weeks, the board adopted a slew of changes to election procedures that state officials warned could wreak havoc on the counting of votes on Election Day, including requiring poll workers to hand-count ballots within hours of the polls closing. Democrats are suing to block some of those policies, and earlier this week, a state judge struck down the changes as unconstitutional.) In this new atmosphere, it’s easy to envision a perilous scenario: A key swing state takes several days to finish counting votes. Harris edges Trump by a few thousand ballots, appearing to clinch the election. Trump then blankets the state with ads exhorting officials to “stop the steal,” sends top allies to rail daily outside counting facilities about a crooked process, files a blizzard of litigation urging judges to throw out ballots being counted after Election Day and spreads claims that the vote was swung by non-citizens. Threats rain down on election officials and vote counters, with protests driving up the local and national temperature. Then, Trump allies on a handful of county election boards resist certification, threatening to disenfranchise thousands of voters and disrupt the state’s effort to finalize an accurate count.… … The Role of Lawsuits … In 2020, as the Trump campaign’s lawsuits failed or stalled, he increasingly pinned his hopes on fringe lawyers who mounted improbable, easily refuted claims of fraud — a bid to keep his election hopes alive months after Election Day. In those cases, the points won or lost in the courtroom are beside the point. In 2020, as courts turned aside Trump and his allies’ litany of lawsuits, they became fuel for his attacks on the legal system and traditional processes for resolving disputes, further evidence for his supporters that the only path to power was through statehouses and Congress. … Convincing Republican-led state legislatures to appoint alternate electors to send to Congress … The Constitution empowers state legislatures to deliver the electoral votes for their state in whatever manner they choose. And every swing state has, by law, chosen to designate their presidential electors according to the results of the statewide popular vote. In 2020, however, some Trump allies argued that legislatures have unilateral, incontestable power to change their minds — and could simply claim lack of faith in the results to snatch the decision back for themselves. Conservative attorneys like John Eastman and Kenneth Chesebro, who have both been criminally charged for their roles in the 2020 election process, developed this theory and lobbied for such an outcome. Under their theories, state legislatures would send their own competing slate of electors to Congress — alongside the slates submitted by governors — and urge Congress to choose between them. Trump increasingly leaned on these fringe ideas as his traditional routes to power began to close. At the time, Republican-led legislatures in six swing states rebuffed Trump’s entreaties, though some showed signs of softening after weeks of pressure. Some of the leaders who resisted him — like Arizona’s then-House Speaker Rusty Bowers — are no longer in office. In hindsight, the resistance of Republican state legislators may have been the most significant bulwark against Trump’s bid to subvert the election in 2020. After they balked, the Trump campaign assembled informal slates of electors and had them sign paperwork claiming to be the legitimate slate. Then-Vice President Mike Pence, who presided over Congress’ counting of electoral votes on Jan. 6, 2021, refused to consider those fake slates of electors because they hadn’t been endorsed by a government authority. But a little-noticed memo sent by Pence’s top legal adviser suggested Pence’s choice might have been different — in fact, it may have had to be — if legislatures had endorsed the pro-Trump slates…. Presidential electors meet in an atmosphere of threats State election officials across the country say they are already bracing for the possibility of unruly protests and violence at every phase of the election process — but especially when it’s time for the electors to meet. Given the tight deadlines set out in state and federal law to finalize and deliver election results, disruptions that cause state officials or electors to miss key steps in the process could cast a cloud over the results. … Civil unrest could have a direct impact on election procedures before Dec. 17 as well. Special counsel Jack Smith’s evidence against Trump included a text conversation between an unnamed Trump campaign aide and an ally inside a Detroit ballot-counting facility. The campaign aide, described as one of Trump’s alleged co-conspirators, encouraged the other to “make them riot” after he was told the scene was a tinderbox. This year, law enforcement at all levels have described unprecedented levels of threats targeting every phase of the process. These days, the Justice Department routinely announces arrests of people sending vile messages to lawmakers, election officials and judges. Persuading a GOP-led Congress to endorse Trump’s electors and spurn Harris’ set Even if they manage to mount challenges, Republicans will not have a chance at overturning the election results unless they have a majority in the House. In the event of a Democratic House takeover, the House would brush aside challenges to Harris’ electors and, if necessary, shoot down alternate slates. Likewise, if Democrats hold the Senate, they’ll easily approve the slates of electors for Harris. And even if Republicans narrowly take the upper chamber, at least a few key GOP senators seem certain to resist any effort to depart from the state certified results. Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), for example, helped author the Electoral Count Act reforms meant to prevent a repeat of Trump’s 2020 gambit. But if Republicans retain the House and affirm their grip on key state legislative chambers in the swing states, a slim and dangerous path remains. Leading up to Jan. 6, Trump and his allies would be engaged in a relentless pressure campaign to convince House GOP lawmakers to block Harris’ victory. The existence of alternate slates of electors sent by Republican-led legislatures would be a tool in their arsenal. Some Democrats are nervous that even if they narrowly appear to take back the House, enough races could remain locked in recounts or legal protest to ensure that Republicans hold the majority when the new Congress convenes on Jan. 3, 2025. Though Congress was the target of violence after the 2020 election, federal officials have taken pains to avoid a recurrence. The Biden administration recently labeled the Jan. 6, 2025, session of Congress a “National Special Security Event,” which unlocks resources akin to the Super Bowl or presidential inauguration. Expect the U.S. Capitol to look like a fortress soon after Election Day. … The final move to seize power at the joint session of Congress …It begins with whoever is the speaker of the House. Though Rep. Mike Johnson holds the job today, he’s no lock to win renewed support from his restive Republican conference. Trump would once again likely play kingmaker, with the power to extract promises for his endorsement. In a scenario in which Trump is still challenging the election, a commitment to side with him during the Jan. 6 session of Congress would be at the top of his list. … If Johnson believes, like Eastman, that the laws governing the joint session are unconstitutional, he could assert unprecedented authority to affect the process — all under the guise of following the Constitution. That could include taking steps to ensure that pro-Trump electors embraced by state legislatures get an up-or-down vote, even if they conflict with slates endorsed by governors. It could include permitting hours of floor time to air theories of voter fraud, while holding the presidency in limbo. It could also include lobbying allies to reject pro-Harris electors in order to prevent either candidate from receiving 270 Electoral College votes. And it could also include simply gaveling the House out of session to prevent the joint session from continuing. Each move would likely trigger intense legal battles, putting the courts — and most likely the Supreme Court — in the position of deciding how to resolve unprecedented power plays by the most prominent actors in government. This phase would mark the culmination of Trump’s ceaseless campaign to cast doubt on any election defeat and lay the groundwork for an alternative reality. After all, Republicans would say, there’s real uncertainty about the outcomes in the swing states, with millions of voters convinced Trump was the rightful winner — the very uncertainty Trump had been stoking all along. …. The House Picks a President If Republicans, through the speaker’s maneuvering, prevent either candidate from garnering an Electoral College majority, it would trigger what’s known as a contingent election in the House, with each state delegation getting a single vote. Republicans control 26 state delegations to Democrats’ 22, with two others evenly split. The GOP is favored to maintain that advantage, and Republicans would almost certainly choose to elect Trump president. … Ultimately, a handful of key pieces would have to fall into place to prevent the certification of a Harris victory: It would require a good election night for Republicans and significant complicity among Trump allies at virtually every level of government. And it would be a brazen display of power that would outstrip the multifaceted gambit of 2020. “Then you’re really getting into the realm of lawlessness,” said Rick Hasen, an election law expert at UCLA. “If people are going to be willing to just ignore the law and declare someone the winner, then you’re talking about a real coup.” https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/10/20/trump-overturn-2024-election-plan-00184103?utm_source=flipboard&utm_content=topic%2Fu.s.politics

Intelligent people understand that she was mocking protesters not Jesus What are you referring to now?

Oh there’s a magic rule that id yourre being trolled and heclkled at an event youre not allowed to respond if theyre yelling religious slogans? Anyway as an Atheist if the story were true I would be only be more impressed.

The only grade above the odd C either of you have ever received in your life ….of course it’s for being an internet troll.

Both of your statements are lies. There was a McDonalds in Alameda California in 1983 and her campaign stated she worked the register, as well as the french fry and ice cream machines there.

And yet Trump closed a McDonalds for a staged event. Where’s the outrage now @Nationalist@WestCanMan; @gatomontes99 @CdnFox

1) There is ZERO evidence to the claim that Kamala never worked at McDonalds this claim appears to he another thing that Trump randomly made up 2) Trump has never heated a scrap of food in his life or been able to focus on a single task for more than few minutes let alone “work a full shift” at a restaurant 3) As pointed out, the entire event was staged while the restaurant was closed. Remember the fake republican outrage when a restaurant closed for a staged Kamala event recently?

It’s Putin’s, you gullible dumbass. More lies, you gullible dumbass No, putin puppet. You’re just repeating kremlin propaganda again. Euromaidanwas prott against the Kremlin-installed brutal and corrupt puppet who had his opponents and journalists jailed, beaten up or killed, and unilaterally vetoed the EU Association Agreement which had been supported by Ukrainian parliament and most Ukrainians, replacing it instead with an association agreement with Russia and its shitty satellites, all of whom have backwards corrupt economies. Most Ukrainians want to travel and trade with the advanced economies of Europe not fuking Kyrgyzstan, outer Siberia and the Russian mafia. The whole rest of your diatribe is pathetic copypasta from the Kremlin. Hilarious when I first educated YOU about the recent history of Ukraine you admitted that you didn’t know anything about it and didn’t care. Now you think you’re some sort of expert. Typical of your type: dumb and ignorant > gullible > self-taught expert > even more dumb and ignorant. You self-lobotomized mor0n do you not recall that in Feb 2022 Russia invaded Ukraine on multiple fronts and was on the outskirts of Kyiv before they got their asses handed to them and that summer they were pushed all the way back across the Dnipro or into Belarus? That was definitely a heavily reported event and heavily discussed on this forum that you were definitely aware of at the time. Your ability to delete inconvenient facts from your memory is astounding. As for the rest of your diatribe, where you not only get wrong what I said but also basic facts about the war: While Russia is recapturing very small amounts of territory in Eastern Ukraine - largely thanks to help from pro-Putin Republicans in congress who choked off military aid - they are losing an enormous amount of liberal doing so: human wave after human wave. Russia has suffered thousands of casualties per square mile gained, 1,200 per day. 675,000 casualties to date. These casualty rates aren’t sustainable. Russia still holds significantly less Ukrainian territory than they did at their peak of the 2022 invasion BTW Bakhmut is a village, not a city. While Russia barbarically and deliberately targets civilians by bombarding cities, it hasn’t flattened any actual cities, only villages. Putin started this war. This is his war you ignorant brainwashed dope.

Donald Trump's Intel Chief Suspected Putin's 'Blackmail': Bob Woodward Journalist Bob Woodward said in an interview with podcaster Tim Miller on October 17 that Dan Coats, Donald Trump's former director of national intelligence, suspects Russian President Vladimir Putin is blackmailing the Republicannominee … Coats, who has previously issued warnings on Trump's behavior since leaving the former president's employ, was the director of national intelligence from 2017 to 2019, before being let go from the position after disagreeing with the then president on several issues. Woodward raises this conversation with Coats in his recently published book, which also details behind-the-scenes accounts of how President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harrisdealt with the Ukraine-Russia war and the conflict in the Middle East, as well as Trump's "conducting a shadow presidency and seeking to regain political power," according to publisher Simon & Schuster.… https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-intel-chief-dan-coats-suspected-putins-blackmail-bob-woodward-1971807?utm_source=Flipboard&utm_medium=App&utm_campaign=Partnerships

You root for Russia and help disseminate its propaganda. That’s support.

Meanwhile in reality you’re simping for North Korea who has now sent 11,000 troops to Russia some of whom have already defected. It’s amazing how you can’t understand that your support for Russia is support for the China, Russia, Iran and North Korea (CRINK)alliance and by extension Hamas and Hezbollah. You think you can pick and choose which CRINK members you root for but it doesn’t work that way, a victory for one is a victory for all.

What I find hilarious is that on a different thread, the same people who are saying here that Trump is the toughest on Putin and Dems are weak, are on a different thread s saying the Dems are bloodthirsty warmongers and that Trump’s friendly relationship with Putin will bring peace in our time These fukin brainwashed hacks will say anything.

LMAO its not colluding for politician in their lame duck phase and running for reelection to accurately state that he would have more flexibility to negotiate treaties once he’s reelected. A person making a single statement is not “collusion” by any definition, especially not when that the statement is simply stating the obvious and done in front of the global media as opposed Trump’s secret meetings and plotting. I love it when you try to equate trump’s disgusting behaviour with something a democrat did that’s absolutely nothing like it Lol ok if you want to play that game: Who knows what secret deals Tump made that weren’t caught? Or other crimes he may have committed? For that matter who knows how many murdered children you have under your bed? I mean “who knows” right? Trumps people were repeatedly meeting and scheming with Russians in secret and repeatedly lied about it. Obama met Medvedev openly at an international conference in full view of the press. Medvedev was pushing him on points of contention and Obama told him to give it a rest because he can’t do anything politically one way or the other until after the election. How much kool-aid does a MAGA need to drink to claim those are the exact same things. And can you MAGAs please get your story straight on democrats and Putin? Are the democrats war mongers who are too hard on Russia and trying to start ww3 or are they pushovers who are too soft on Putin , which was the Republican criticism of Obama’s statement at the time. You folks talk out of both sides of your mouths . Trump’s people said the whole thing was a lie. At best half of it was true. But now Trump’s saying “If I did call him it was a very smart thing to do” which is obviously an admission. It’s not like he’d go out of his way to tell us about a very smart thing he didn't do. As for why Kremlin only half-corroborated the story, it’s obvious Putin is playing Trump and making him dance on a string. Trump didn’t come out with his backhanded admission until AFTER the Kremlin debunked his campaign’s initial blanket denial

Putin started the war, you dumbass Putin puppet. And it’s really a question how much more powerful is considering that after 3 years they’re nowhere near victory and the Ukrainians have actually now seized Russian territory amd Putin can’t push them out.