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  2. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    In this explosive new video, Candace Owens explains why she does not support George Floyd and refuses to see him as a secular saint. She makes it clear that it is obviously wrong how Floyd was killed by the police and that she hopes that Officer Derek Chauvin gets the justice he deserves -- just as she hopes Floyd's family gets the justice they deserve through Chauvin's punishment. 

    Above all, Candace issues a robust and stirring warning to her fellow black Americans about the grave mistake of turning Floyd into a shining martyr. In her profound remarks, Candace dares to break numerous taboos and tell piercing truths that the leftist guardians of acceptable opinion don’t want told.

    Candace’s bold stance in these contentious times distinguishes her as one of the most courageous truth-tellers -- and freedom fighters -- of our time. Frontpage commends her for that.

    Don't miss this powerful video.

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/candace-owens-video-i-do-not-support-george-floyd-frontpagemagcom/

     

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  5. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    32 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

     

    He was detained and questioned for passing funny money, but appears to resist arrest in the back of the squad car,

     

     

    I've only seen video of where he was being frog marched across the street to the other squad car and the two cops call for backup because apparently something happened in a bit that was cut from the video, then the two are struggling to get him in the car and the video cuts out again.

    You say  you've seen video of them actually getting him into the back of the squad car? I'd like to see that. Do you have a link? I've been thinking they couldn't get him into the squad car so they wrestled him to the ground, pinned him and waited for the wagon.

  7. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    I wasn't going to post this one because it 's from an opinionator who does shamelessly manipulate emotion to push his argument.

    But it highlights a black girl arguing with a leftist agitator and deals with what she considers her personal truth. She doesn't believe she is a victim.

    So here ya go then Mike you wanted to know how an emotional argument could counter the "blacks are a special sort of victim" emotion based argument. Here ya go.

     

  8. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    3 hours ago, Boges said:

    It's entertaining watching people on the wrong side of history feverishly defend their ignorant position. 

    No racism here, NONE!  That's the same thing people were saying when they supported slavery, made interracial marriage illegal, segregated schools Etc etc etc. Yeah but those things were Different!

    4 years ago a black NFL QB was blackballed from the NFL for kneeling during the National Anthem to protest Police Violence. 

    Today a white NFL QB had to release a public apology for saying he wouldn't ever kneel during the National Anthem because it disrespected the Troops. 

    History changes quickly. 

    i could go through that lie by lie but there's one so egregious i want pull it out of the pack:

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    That's the same thing people were saying when they supported slavery

    The fact there was slavery briefly in America (it's been around in history ever since there's been history) proves nothing. It supports nothing. It has nothing to do with what happened to George Floyd and is only used to hyper-emotionalize an issue to get around the facts. Racial History is just that - history. There have been problems in all societies. Advanced societies evolve. America is not where it was in the 60s. Not twentieth century 60s or nineteenth. Historical bitches prove nothing about what's happening current day. But if they did you could blame Democrats over the white race in general. I'm not sure Democrats have evolved since they ran the southern slave states, created the KKK, wrote Jim Crow laws, or even when LBJ adopted the Republican push for civil rights while boasting "We'll have these N****ers voting Democrat for a hundred years."

     

  9. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    6 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

    1. I'm asking that you apply this principle: " The idea facts are bad when they interfere with people's feels is dumb. " to issues that you agree with politically, and see what happens.
    2. Yes, how about people feeling oppressed because of the Covid lockdown or because someone wants to put waiting lists in for guns, or some immigration thing ?  If you can't think of one then you are blind to partisan politics. 
    3.  I could probably think of ten on issues like this - in the area of politics that I agree with.  You should try to look at yourself for objectivity, it's like a mint on your pillow.

    I'm getting the feeling that you agree with me that prioritizing feels over facts isn't a good policy then.

    I never said only Democrats are ever victims of the stupidity that can arise from ignoring the facts. I would say your particulate examples are a false equivalency. Nobody burned their shops and other infrastructure down in the peaceful protest against Michigan governor, Gretchen Half-Whitmers excessive and inequitable Covid lockdown controls. The 2nd amendment debate is one a reasoned and well supported argument is possible for as opposed to the complete lack of evidence you or yours have been able to offer up so far suggesting blacks in America are currently a special sort of victim race justifying what we saw in inner cities last week.

  10. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    2 hours ago, Rue said:

    My point is the fact it also happened to a white person does not poof make the act on the black man's act conveniently not  racist and therefore an excuse for you to trivialize its significance. Oh I get it.

    And your picture of a black man being victimized by excessive force in an arrest (when this sort of thing can happen to any race, including whites) does not show systematic racism or necessarily suggest any racism at all as you suggest it does. 

    Statistical facts show blacks are not persecuted by police or anybody else worse than other races. I'm willing to listen if you have any facts supporting the idea blacks are currently victims of a special broad sort of persecution by whites or any other race. Your picture wasn't doing it. That was my point.

     

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  11. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    4 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

    2. Facts don't care about Republican feels either. 

    Who said they did? So is that what you're asking for then? Something comparable to the Democrats, Progressive agenda - only from Republicans - where identity groups are manipulated by feels over facts into believing they have a special sort of victim status? I can't think of one. Nothing like what happened last week where black feelings of entitlement to victimhood convinced them it would be a good idea to tear down the shops and infrastructures of their cities. Why? Can you?

  12. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

    I'm trying to explain the value of emotional group response in politics.  You seem to think that it's ok to feel emotions sometimes and not others?

     

    But I'm not sure.  Maybe give me an example of the Republican base violating the principles you're invoking towards BLM?

    Actually what I'm saying is "facts don't care about your feelings."

    As to - and I quote - the "Republican base violating the principles you're invoking towards BLM". Huh? What on earth are you talking about?

  15. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    27 minutes ago, Rue said:

    Some responses only need pictures.

     

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    And here's one from another previous post on this thread you missed. Tony Timba was a white guy who suffered the same fate as Floyd. So unless your point is police in general and with all races - no single race more than another - need to handle these kinds of cases differently I'd like to know what your point is.

     

  18. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    1 minute ago, Boges said:

    You can equivocate all you want regarding past incidents.

    The point is that the protest that happened then had no where near the traction the Floyd and Taylor protests have had. 

    Well Michael Brown had the Ferguson riots and Freddie Gray had the Baltimore riots, but if your point is the race riot response has been growing, I agree. The growth of antifa and other far left riot instigators might be a factor. There's also the increasing and now almost fanatical need of the media to hype any identity politics problem in hopes of using it to get Trump.

  21. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    21 minutes ago, Boges said:

    The more people who think like this. The more these protests will keep happening. 

    It was pointed out to me that when Trayvon Martin got killed or when Eric Garner got killed or when Micheal Brown got killed, you didn't see organizations en masse release statements decrying violence against POC. 

    The times, they are a changin' 

    My God, I can't believe you want to bring up the race-baited cases of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. Trayvon Martin was a young thug who attacked a neighborhood watch, latino guy, beat on him and tried to grab his gun. Michael Brown was not a "gentle giant" with his hands up crying "Please, don't shoot." He was a large, violent criminal who had just used intimidation to steal from a grocery clerk. He rushed a police vehicle to try to get the cop's gun. At the trial a black witness said he would have shot sooner.

    Eric Garner is the closest to Floyd. He was a large guy with pre-existing conditions who was the victim of an over-reaction by police officers while being arrested for a possible misdemeanor. That one really should never have happened. The cops were hassling street people selling single cigarettes under orders from the Socialist mayor because he thought he was being gypped out of cigarette tax money. Is Deblasio a racist then?

    The real problem is more people don't know these basic facts.

  22. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    6 minutes ago, Boges said:

    Directly related to the idea that people on the right actually give two shits about the property of poor people in the inner city. They'll never vote for them. 

    Surely you're not suggesting that the property rights of people in the districts that were burned to the ground during last week's race riots were better cared for by the Progressive Socialists they did vote for. 

    Feel free to use New York as an example to make your point.

  23. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

    If you say so. 

    "Blue lives matter" should be shelved, then, and we should pay attention to the problem of roofers dying on the job.  Please attend the latest funeral of a dead cop with your clip board and slide rule and explain to the grieving widow that she is stupid.  Of course I'm being hyperbolic and emotional, but that' because I'm a snowflake...

    I definitely say so. The idea race riots are acceptable (even recommended) because of an imagined persecution of blacks is idiotic. Facts reveal it to be a blatant fabrication. It's something so dumb only progressive socialists could come up with it. It's born out of their belief that everybody else is so dumb they'll believe anything they tell them. And there are enough gullibles in the world, or unfortunates desperate to have their misfortunes excused by a fairy-tale of their special persecution, that the lie succeeds from time to time.

    And what that has to do with Blue Lives Matter I haven't a clue. The cop who was killed last night was the victim of the  lie not support for it. Suggesting anything else isn't hyperbole. It's another lie.

  24. Wet Got Bigger Problems Than George Floyd

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    Several times on this thread I've heard complaints against bringing up statistical facts showing blacks have no reason to feel they're being persecuted worse than any other race by the police or anybody else. The idea facts are bad when they interfere with people's feels is dumb. Generally when I hear something so dumb as a command to stop noticing facts my go to move is to post more facts. So here ya go...

    From here:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/06/truth-about-police-violence-and-race-john-perazzo/

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    • A Washington Post opinion piece framed Mr. Floyd's death as “yet another reminder of how black people are killed by law enforcement in disproportionately high numbers.”

    The singular theme that runs through every one of the statements cited above – and serves as the subtext of the riots and street protests – is the perception that what happened to George Floyd is emblematic of the type of brutality that police in America routinely, selectively, and disproportionately inflict upon black people. Thus, the vital question we must answer is whether or not that perception is founded in truth, or in fiction.

    Over the course of many years, mountains of empirical evidence regarding this subject have been accumulated.

    Some of the most comprehensive information we have comes from a 2001 Bureau of Justice Statistics report examining incidents where police in the United States used deadly force to kill criminal suspects between 1976 and 1998. During that 23-year span, 42% of all suspects killed by police were black – a figure that comported precisely with the percentage of violent crimes committed by African Americans during that same period. This is enormously significant because we would expect that in police forces not plagued by systemic racism, officers would shoot suspects of various racial or ethnic backgrounds at rates closely resembling their respective involvement in the types of serious crimes most likely to elicit the use of force by police. And indeed, that is exactly what the evidence shows.

    Moreover, in nearly two-thirds of all justifiable homicides by police during 1976-98, the officer’s race and the suspect’s race were the same. When a white or Hispanic officer killed a suspect, that suspect was usually (63% of the time) white or Hispanic as well. And when a black officer killed a suspect, that suspect was usually black (81% of the time).

    How about the rate at which officers killed suspects of other racial or ethnic backgrounds? In 1998, the “black-officer-kills-black-felon” rate was 32 per 100,000 black officers, more than double the rate at which white and Hispanic officers killed black felons (14 per 100,000). That same year, the rate at which white and Hispanic officers killed white or Hispanic felons (28 per 100,000) was much higher than the “black-officer-kills-white-or-Hispanic-felon” rate of 11 per 100,000.

    In 1999, criminologists Geoffrey Alpert and Roger Dunham confirmed once again that police officers were more likely to use force against suspects of their own racial group, than against suspects from another racial group.

    A 2011 Bureau of Justice Statistics study which covered the period from 2003 to 2009 sheds further light on the issue of police use of force against people of various racial and ethnic backgrounds. Of all suspects who are known to have been killed by police during that 7-year time frame, 41.7% were white, 31.7% were black, and 20.3% were Hispanic. It is also worth noting that during the 2003-2009 period—when blacks were 31.7% of all suspects killed by an officer—blacks accounted for about 38.5% of all arrests for violent crimes, which are the types of crimes most likely to trigger potentially deadly confrontations with police. These numbers do not in any way suggest a lack of restraint by police in their dealings with black suspects. On the contrary, they strongly suggest exactly the opposite.[1]

    In 2015, a Justice Department study of the Philadelphia Police Department found that black officers were 67 percent more likely than their white colleagues to mistakenly shoot an unarmed black suspect, and Hispanic officers were 145 percent more likely to do the same. That same year, a study of the New York Police Department by criminology professor Greg Ridgeway found that black officers were 3.3 times more likely than their white peers to discharge their guns in the course of their work. So much for the notion of trigger-happy white cops.

    In any given year, a mere 0.6 percent of black men report that physical force of any kind – including mild actions like pushing and grabbing – is used against them by the police. The corresponding figure for white men is approximately 0.2 percent. Though both figures are infinitesimally small, critics of the police are quick to complain that the figure for blacks is three times higher than the figure for whites. But as National Review points out, that disparity is fully accounted for by the fact that “black men commit violent crimes at much higher rates than white men,” as evidenced by data from the annual National Crime Victimization Survey.

    Moreover, the available data indicate that a mere 0.08 percent of black men and white men alike are injured by police in any given year. This figure includes injuries sustained as a result of police actions that are legally justified, and often necessary, in order to thwart criminal behavior.

    In a 2018 working paper titled “An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force,” Harvard economist Roland Fryer, who is African American, reported that police officers in Houston were nearly 24 percent less likely to shoot black suspects than white suspects. In a separate analysis of officer shootings in three Texas cities, six Florida counties, and the city of Los Angeles, Fryer found that: (a) officers were 47 percent less likely to discharge their weapon without first being attacked if the suspect was black, than if the suspect was white; (b) black and white individuals shot by police were equally likely to have been armed at the time of the shootings; (c) white officers were no more likely to shoot unarmed blacks than unarmed whites; (d) black officers were more likely to shoot unarmed whites than unarmed blacks; and (e) black officers were more likely than white officers to shoot unarmed whites. There is no evidence of anti-black racism in any of these findings, though some of them do seem to suggest an anti-white bias.

    A 2019 study published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that white officers are no more likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot black civilians. “In fact,” writes Manhattan Institute scholar Heather Mac Donald, the study found that “if there is a bias in police shootings after crime rates are taken into account, it is against white civilians.” Specifically, Mac Donald adds, the authors of the study compiled a database of 917 officer-involved fatal shootings in 2015 and found that 55 percent of the victims were white, 27 percent were black, and 19 percent were Hispanic.

    Each and every year, without exception, whites who are shot and killed by police officers in the U.S. far outnumber blacks and Hispanics who meet that same fate. In 2017, for instance, 457 whites, 223 blacks, and 179 Hispanics were killed by police officers in the line of duty. In 2018, the corresponding figures were 399 whites, 209 blacks, and 148 Hispanics. And in 2019, the totals were 370 whites, 235 blacks, and 158 Hispanics. There is not a hint of racism anywhere in these figures.

    When we compare black rates of violent crime, with the rate at which blacks are shot and killed by police officers, we find that blacks are represented among those shooting victims at rates significantly lower than we would normally expect. For example, in 2017, blacks were just 23.6% of all people shot dead by police, even though they were arrested for 37.5% of all violent crimes. The following year, blacks were 26.3% of those fatally shot by police, even as they were arrested for fully 37.4% of violent crimes.

    According to Heather Mac Donald: “The per capita rate of officers being feloniously killed is 45 times higher than the rate at which unarmed black males are killed by cops. And an officer’s chance of getting killed by a black assailant is 18.5 times higher than the chance of an unarmed black getting killed by a cop.”

    In sum, there is a veritable Everest of evidence demolishing the fake, phony, fraudulent narrative of systemic police abuse aimed at African Americans. But the one trait that the raging rioters, the fervid protesters, the sanctimonious civil-rights leaders, and the preening celebrity tweeters all have in common, is their deep and abiding commitment to their own righteous rage. They very much want – and very much need – to believe that police brutality against black Americans is widespread and systemic. And they reflexively, indignantly rebel against any suggestion to the contrary, as though the foundational dogma of their holy faith were being called into question by blasphemous heretics.

    But in the final analysis, they are all quite full of it. No matter how deeply their hearts may be seared by grief in response to the latest unnecessary loss of an innocent life, and no matter how organic may be the wellspring of the tears that now moisten their eyes, the pained and pious countenances that they dutifully bear cannot transform their lies into truth.

    It is possible, you know, to do two reasonable things at once. That is, one can be outraged by the injustice that was done to George Floyd, without falsely portraying it as a microcosm of systemic racism by police officers across America. It is nothing of the kind.

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    [1] The annual violent-crime arrest statistics for 2003-2009, broken down by race, can be found here: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009.

     

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