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Race riots of the Floyd variety aren't really about racism. They're about race-baiting and race-baiting is done with lies. Chief among those lies is the idea that blacks are victimized by a special and unequal sort of systematic persecution. That's a lie. It needs to be defeated. Facts are the first line of defence. Blacks are responsible for vastly more crime than any other race in America. It's reasonable to expect them to get a proportional police reaction to their increased criminal activity. More than double the amount of whites are killed by police than Blacks. That's not proportional to blacks 12% demographic but because blacks are responsible for vastly more crime and therefore seeing more police the stat more than evens out. Blacks aren't being inordinately or unreasonably persecuted by police as a race. And I'll keep stating  that fact no matter how much it bothers some white guy who thinks it's clever to call me "Whitey."

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I sometimes get the impression that some don't know what I mean by media "race-baiting." Might as well offer up an example:

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On Monday, CBS This Morning lined up so-called “experts” on race relations to accuse “white Americans” of being “taught” to have “contempt for black life” and that racism was like “dust in the air,” something “ingrained in our society.” The nasty blanket statements were treated as objective fact rather than radical declarations.

“After the death of George Floyd, we’re taking a look at the history of the fear of black men in American society and how it often ends in violence against them,” co-host Gayle King announced as she introduced a segment in the 8:00 a.m. ET hour. The headline on-screen blared: “History of Fear; Experts Explain Why Some Conflate Blackness With Crime.”

https://www.lifenews.com/2020/06/02/cbs-news-claims-white-americans-have-contempt-for-black-life/

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14 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

Sound accurate, I can get behind this.

Just as long as you remember CNN and MSNBC are also cable news.

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7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Sounds like entertainment.

Cable news commentary is the WWE of news.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well... Doesn't Greg have a TV show of his own?  Weird statement...

Yes, but The 5 isn't investigative journalism. It's panel commentary.

I think he's hoping to shame one of these Democrat stenographers who use the label "journalist' into investigating the issue so he can comment on it.

I imagine he could pressure a Fox journalist but where would the fun be in that.

All BS aside though, he's just making a snide comment using an observation that should be obvious and is to some but not to all.

It's what he does.

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20 minutes ago, Rue said:

Of course you see no racism.

 

I think it's important to be technically correct here. I didn't say I saw no racism. I said there was no evidence of racism at the present time. The term racism has a specific meaning and there is no evidence of it at the present time regarding this Floyd case.

If you do have evidence to the contrary show it to me. Don't tell me how you feel I feel and why you disapprove of it. Making feels the point accomplishes nothing. Take race riots for example...

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18 minutes ago, Boges said:

See, this is why people riot and protest. 

The black guy always deserved it. He wasn't armed and there were four cops there. He was saying he couldn't breath. 

What did Breonna Taylor do to deserve death. 

No that isn't why blacks riot. They riot because the Progressive agenda has been feeding them this pablum of race specialness to excuse any lack of agency in dealing with their problems and heighten any external sleight they feel they endure. And on too many of them that seems to work.

Currently there is no evidence Chauvin's stupidity was race-based and I'll keep saying that until somebody proves me wrong.

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12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. You missed the part where I pointed it's about PERCEPTION.  Don't negate history and the fact that people are sensitive about things.
2. So the neck crusher has done this before and not got in trouble ?  And you think there shouldn't have been a riot ?
3. Sorry - what ?  Of course they do.  The president got elected on it.
4. Whites already do.  That's the status quo.  Let's talk about Canada - do you think that white girls would get the same treatment as aboriginal women who disappear ?  
5. Well, I'm talking to you aren't I ?  If you just hate blacks or think they're garbage, well that's fine with me but it will save us a long pretend session won't it ?
6. You can just look at history for a big reason.  
7. Because racists generate anger-tainment, don't you know ?  It's all about the outrage and it works nicely for getting people elected when they want to paint Mexicans as evil rapists and drug dealers.  Then a racist cop kills somebody (I'm not saying that happened THIS time of course) and everyone is like "JEEZ STOP GETTING SO EMOTIONAL AND LOOK AT THE DATA"
 

1. The only thing special about black history of persecution is the slavery bit might be more recent than what many of our ancestors experienced.  But blacks don't own slave history . Definitely not current occurrence. They don't get a pass on what we witnessed over the weekend, 'cause slavery.'

2. Yes and no. Mohammed Noor had previous problems in the force as well. Neither case required riots. Minneapolis police training policy needs a long look. BTW did you know this is the current police chief:

3. Your supposition is nonsense.

4. See 3

5. No you're talking at me and telling me what you want to think I think. You're not paying attention to what I'm actually telling you I think. All groups should be treated equal and there are current laws meant to insure they are. 

6. If you want to look at history let's consider it all then. Not just the cherry-picked bits that might support a race-baiting agenda. All races can point to bits of persecution. Including current whites.

7. There is currently no reason to believe race played a part in Choker Chauvin's stupidity that day. So there was no reason for the media and others to push it. But they did.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

The point was to say there is a different profiling going on than just by skin colour alone.

True. And myself I'd say profiling can have a purpose. If we put ourselves in a cop's shoes we would handle a six foot six muscle man different than a grandmother with a walker. That's exaggerated to show how basic the principle is. I understand that.

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2 hours ago, New World Disorder said:

Stop n Frisk. NYC is a perfect example of institutionalized racism.

Is it? That's an argument not a statement of fact.

I guess if you wanted to have that debate though I'd start by pointing out the reason more blacked are stopped to be frisked goes back to the stat Progressives don't want us to mention or even know about. Blacks commit a vastly larger percentage of the crime per capita. It might even be by raw numbers. I can't remember.

It's also worth remembering that the reason stop n frisk still remains as a crime prevention policy in New York is it has historically worked.

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3 hours ago, Boges said:

The George Floyd killer wasn't even charged with 2nd Degree Murder. 

And if you watch the trial and see the complete video you'll see why. The large, muscular, Floyd was resisting arrest. The white lady Mohammed Noor shot in her pyjamas wasn't.

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3 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

As I said about two posts up, what would cops do to an old grandmother black lady doing this instead, would they shoot her in the head right away? No. Probably not. I said other stuff earlier that was pretty good too.

Not sure what the point is there, but I think I might agree. It's worth noticing that George Floyd was 6'6", cut, and was resisting arrest. It doesn''t excuse Chauvin's choking knee but it would be a factor in sentencing. Such excess would be less likely in arresting a grandmother - white or black. Not impossible but less likely. I saw an older lady get smacked around by a cop one time. She was white though.

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16 minutes ago, Boges said:

Ahhh so protestors have to immediately disassociate themselves with rioters. 

Do cops have to speak out against racist murderers in their ranks to be considered not racist? 

There were protestors objecting to the activities of antifa, BLM, and the looters. I saw video of one old lady screaming at antifa to stop the vandalism because it might help Trump get re-elected.

It's apples and oranges comparing cops to protestors though. Cops have to be there. Citizens don't have to attend a riot. They can choose not to attend.

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4 hours ago, Boges said:

This narrative that white people are killed at a higher percentage is a red herring. 

No it's not. It's extremely relevant as a counter to the statistical argument from race-baiters like the Washington Post. They tell us there's nothing to see here when we notice there are more than twice as many whites killed in incidents with police as there are blacks. The statistical rationale to WaPo's argument is there are only about a third as many blacks in America as there are whites.

But now factor in the vastly superior numbers (per capita or any other way you'd like) of black crime and you see the probability a cop will be involved in a confrontation with a black criminal wipes out any statistical discrepancy regarding cop killings by race far past existence.

So there is no reason to believe cops are killing or persecuting blacks more than other races. If you think something should be done about a larger issue good for you but they won't be rioting in the streets over that one.

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2 minutes ago, Boges said:

Seems that these protestors are being stereotyped by the actions of a few. 

You don't burn a city down with "a few" and by Saturday anybody attending knew what to expect. Almost all condoned the actions by their presence. 

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6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

And the difficulties have nothing to do with racism, of course... am I right ?  They are just ... I don't know finish the sentence ... genetically inferior ?  Unhealthily focussed on their poverty and lack of resources allocated to ....

I don't know... What do you think ?

Do you really care what I think? I doubt it. If you did you wouldn't be prefacing that question with what you want to think, I think.

Just for the Hell of it though, I'll tell you what I actually think. Race in America is a large and complex issue but we're talking about a specific incident. In the Floyd case I have no reason to believe racism was involved. A bad cop appears to be at the center. But evidence of racism is not there at present. It was however race-baited loud and everywhere as a race issue. Why was that, do you think?

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6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I can take this example back to you - why don't people complain that people are shot in their pajamas too often ?  Maybe because it's not perceived as something that happens so often that it's a problem.
2. And yet the same media gets a pass if they play up a single murder from an illegal immigrant ?  

Which racial group should get the luxury of being over sensitive about their people getting murdered, do you think ?

1. Let's not get too clever. You know what I mean. Don't pretend you don't. The woman Minneapolis cop, Mohammed Noor shot in her Pyjamas was white. There was no riot. They're shouldn't have been. They're shouldn't have been in the Floyd case either. Minneapolis police training procedures should get a long, hard look though. This wasn't the first time the neck crusher in the Floyd case got into trouble.

2. The media don't play up or cherry pick illegal immigrant murders for race-baiting the way they do with some white on black incidents. Maybe they should call more attention to these cases where illegal immigrants are repeatedly getting kicked out of the US for criminal activity then returning to eventually kill Americans though.

No racial group or groups should get special treatment from the media, universities, politicians or anybody else is my actual opinion as opposed to the one you're trying to foist on me. 

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What are the facts about the extremely high rate of African American victims? One might get the impression from the energetic campaigns of Black Lives Matter that African Americans are murdered by white racists, especially police. But, according to the FBI, in 2013, of the 2,491 “Black or African American” murdered, 189 were murdered by “whites,” 20 by “other,” 37 by “unknown,” and 2,245 by “Black or African American.” In other words, in 2013, 90.12% of African Americans murdered were murdered by other African Americans.

The years since are much the same, e.g. in 2018 , of 2,925 African Americans murdered, 2,600 or 89% were murdered by other African Americans. It is difficult to attribute this to white racism. And while in 2013, 189 African Americans were murdered by whites, 409 whites were murdered by African-Americans. In cross-race murders, more than twice as many whites have been murdered as African Americans. 

The other side of the coin is that 48% of all murders are committed by African Americans, more than three times what would be expected from African-Americans’ 13% of the population. So African Americans are involved in the most serious crime, either as victims or perpetrators, at a rate that far exceeds other American communities. This cannot be considered a direct effect of anti-African American racism.

African Americans, like all Americans, have choices and make decisions. They are not automatons mechanically reacting to an adverse environment. African Americans have agency, select their goals, and act to achieve them. Most African-Americans do not choose to engage in crime; most choose to become productive citizens. 

But too many African Americans do choose to engage in crime, and too many African-Americans have been their victims. How has Black Lives Matter addressed this sad fact? What campaigns are they carrying out to correct this catastrophic loss of their fellow citizens?

Why is Black Lives Matter shouting “racism” rather than looking at the difficulties in their community? It is the African-American community that needs emergency aid. How will increasing race bating and fueling the fire of race hatred contribute to healing the black community? 

https://pjmedia.com/columns/philip-carl-salzman/2020/05/31/who-kills-african-americans-n472072

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This was mentioned earlier by somebody but why didn't the case of Minneapolis cop Mohamed Noor shooting the  women in her pyjamas cause a race riot?

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6758077/Minneapolis-cop-killed-Australian-woman-pointed-gun-driver-traffic-stop.html

I already know the answer, of course, and so do those of you who are honest with yourselves. It wasn't because blacks are a special sort of victim. It was because they're told they are.

 

 

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There is racism in America (and Canada too, for that matter) and sure, that sucks, but it isn't institutionalized. White cops aren't cruising the streets looking for blacks to shoot as a matter of policy or even as a general rule.

Yet somehow we're being brain-trained to believe that's the case. If we could somehow put the kibosh on that lie the commies of BLM would be neutered and the commies

of antifa wouldn't have race riots to hide in. That's my point.

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5 hours ago, Rue said:

Good luck on that one. You make a lot of assumptions about a hell of a lot of people and what they have experienced in their lives.. Read it back. Where do you get off telling any black person how they should feel?

I wasn't aware I did any of that so I'm thinking it's not me who's "assuming."

Here's an assumption for you though. I'm assuming you don't actually know what race-baiting is. I'm assuming that because that was what I was talking about. Not assumptions of what the black race was feeling.

Blacks in America are race-baited  (look it up) into believing they're some special sort of victim. No statistic supports that. Many races could put their race's history up against blacks' for incidents of persecution. These race hysteria incidents cherry-picked out of the news are nothing special. There have been at least 10 white on black incidents more radical than the Floyd incident in the last month. They just didn't make it to the top of the news cycle.

For example. Are you familiar with the Jayden Hayden assault case. If not you should ask yourself why not. There are aspects to it that would at one time make it what was called at one time "front page news."

I imagine you've heard of Michigan governor, Gretchen Whitmer. Trump and I call her Gretchen Half-Whitmer. Her administration jumped on board with fellow Democrat Governor Cuomo of New York in thinking it would be a good idea to send Covid patients back from the Hospital to long term elderly care facilities but Gretchen's genius crew put a wrinkle on it. They weren't just sending elderly covid patients to old folks homes. People like 20 year old psycho Jayden Hayden were getting the ol' 'c'mon down' too. He beat the crap out of the 75 year old covid patient sharing a room with him and shared the video of his brave deed on social media. As you may know Gretchen Half-Whitmer is on the short list for being Joe Biden's running mate for the presidential election. So why isn't that story receiving George Floyd levels of attention? Where are the riots. There is all kinds of video showing Hayden to be a raging white-hating racist.

And if you want an example of one of the white-hate cases that involves murder, here ya go:

https://theredelephants.com/breaking-black-male-hunts-assassinates-elderly-white-couple-in-delaware-cemetery-with-scoped-rifle/

My point was  black people are being race baited with false information. And it's working. I don't have to ask black people what they're feeling to know that. I just have to watch the news.

"This poor black people being victimized by the evil whites" myth the race-baiters push is a boil on America's ass that needs to lanced.

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I think if just the race-baiters would "cool it" that would stop the problem before it happened. 

Maybe we should start with education. Blacks are no more victims in current society than anybody else. Every race (including whites) gets some racism but Institutional racism doesn't exist.

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20 minutes ago, Rue said:

No they happen in all black communities regardless of their political beliefs and financial levels. 

I've heard some blacks who have escaped those (the ones the riots come out of) refer to them as "the Democrat plantations." CL Bryant goes into it in his documentary.

I've heard Candace Owens use the phrase "Democrat Plantation" a lot too, but I'm told by somebody here at MLW I can't consider her black because she's not dark enough. Caramel then? 

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7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. ANTIFA isn't an organized group, it's a principle of resistance with whatever means are necessary.  I guess you could cause them alt-left.

"Antifa, the extreme anarchist-communist movement, has rioting down to an art. The first broken window is the blood in the water for looters to move in. When the looting is done, those carrying flammable chemicals start fires to finish the job. Footage recorded in Minneapolis and other cities show militants dressed in black bloc— the antifa uniform — wielding weapons like hammers or sticks to smash windows. You see their graffiti daubed on smashed up buildings: FTP means ‘Fuck the Police’; ACAB stands for ‘All Cops Are Bastards’; 1312 is the numerical code for ACAB."

Once we get the above information straight I don't really care how you want to excuse them. If they don't have an organizational headquarters it just makes them a little harder to root out of their rat-holes is all.

BTW that quote is from an article that's worth a read:

https://spectator.us/andy-ngo-antifa-american-insurgency/