Infidel Dog
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3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:
There is no lie by me or the NYT. You have very poor reading skills The only lies are the non-existent claims that YOU are inventing and claiming are being “insinuated”
I admit, Beave sometimes your willingness to say, present a picture of an Aardvark and tell them it's a tomato impresses even me.
Here's what's currently up at the Studies Weekly Publishing website:
Now show where in there it claims their next text book will contain anything that suggests Rosa Parks was not a civil rights icon or black. Then show me how what doesn't exist was the work of Ron De Santis.
If you can't do that then what you appear to be claiming in the title of this thread is a lie. You should admit it and move on. But you won't. You can't. Liars can't admit they're lying.
Instead you want to blather on about unrelated tidbits that have nothing to do with your central claim or inference or whatever that is in the title.
And none of that matters because if there is nothing in the current revised curriculum as it will appear in their upcoming text book claiming Rosa Parks was just another bus passenger of unspecific race then what are you or your fellow, fringe, far left, numbskulls complaining about?
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36 minutes ago, Rebound said:
You are racist white trash.
See that?
You can't preach-teach garbage like that in Florida schools and public institutions anymore. Doesn't matter how you try to justify it.
That's all HB 7 says.
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17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:
No, dum-dum. You’re the one who is lying
No King of Lies. It's you again. They told you right to your face what happened but you seem to think if you just repeat the lie over and over again instead then what you want to believe becomes the truth. It doesn't.
This is what happened.
The Florida legislature was in the process of considering a bill that would make it illegal for schools or government to introduce policies mandating the preach-teaching of any kind of racism. Not even black against white. Not even the white woke against normal whites.
In the meantime there was a publisher of Florida curriculum that had been publishing textbooks for grade threes. Their next volume was coming up for review before publishing.
Just before the review somebody (either the New York Times) or an editor of the publishing house slipped an amateurish looking edit into the review and it appeared in the New York times. It marginalized Rosa Parks status as a civil rights icon and a black woman.
In a response to the New York Times that appeared to be claiming that would be the new Florida curriculum the Publisher called the Rosa Parks claim an "abhorrent historical inaccuracy" and would never make it past the final review. It would not be in the final curriculum. The insinuation was some part of staff was responsible for stuffing in the edit when it was too late to stop it. The publisher claimed those responsible had been identified and the situation was rectified.
As far as I know NYT and other leftist media lip servers never offered a retraction for their lie and their little fringe army of indoctrinated fanatics on social media started slinging out the inference of the edit as fact. That Ron De Santis had ordered a curriculum where Rosa Parks became a non-descript white woman. That never happened. It's not going to happen.
Beave is lying again. He seems to think if he just keeps lying and launching insults we'll stop noticing he's lying. Speaking for myself that's not going to happen.
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BTW, in case you missed it an "unapproved change" is not "an accident." It's incompetence or sabotage.
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1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:
^ LOL now THAT is a lie. The publisher didn’t say it was lie they said it was an accident.
Well if you seriously want to get into what the publisher did or didn't say why didn't you just go back to the other thread you want to lie about in this one and click the quote. It's easy. Here, I'll show you:
Quote"From: STUDIES WEEKLY RESPONSE TO THE NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE
We find the omission or altering of historical fact to be abhorrent and do not defend it.
Although it was too late, once we discovered the unapproved changes, as evidenced by the file discrepancies within our submission we planned to rectify the situation but could not edit it during the review. Those unapproved changes have already been removed from our curriculum. We had no intention of allowing those versions to become our official state versions..."
They also said they identified the individuals responsible and "rectified the situation."
Would you like me to show you how to quote that bit, King of Lies?
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Blather all you want Beave this title you posted for your thread is a lie.
"In DeSantis’s revised history curriculum, Rosa Parks wasn’t black or a civil rights activist"
We know it's a lie because the curriculum publisher says it's a lie. There is nothing in their current curriculum anything like that.
I'll give you credit for one thing, King of Lies, you don't disappoint. Your prevarications are still at 100%
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42 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:
“Don’t believe your lying eyes “ lol that implies that there’s convincing evidence in plain sight as opposed to your baseless made up nonsense about “liberal infiltrators” sleeper agents in school textbook publishers running false flag operations to discredit republicans.
Neat trick, Beave. I imagine you think that because that concerns a different topic you can just pull it out your butt in fantasy form and call it truth.
Did it not occur to you that I was there and can tell what really happened.
Beave, who I used to call King of Lies, posted a lie from the New York Times concerning what a publisher was going to publish as curriculum in Florida. We know it was a lie because the Publisher posted on the front page their website that it was a lie.
What he's trying to post as the story is not the central story we could call the point on what we were actually talking about. That was that he lied and the New York Times lied. That was the actual point.
However what Beave wants to move the goal posts to was something I told him about reading between the lines to conjecture as to what I suspected what might have been happening behind the scenes. It wasn't important. Just fun. You can do that and Beave has done a lot worse.
For example he uses that spin from an unrelated story to obfuscate from the issue of Ray Epps who has never been charged but is on video committing crimes. Crimes such as inciting the invasion of the capitol or participating in crashing a sign into a police line. Many J6 prisoners are doing serious time for less with less in your face evidence than the blatant right before your eyes evidence Epps committed crimes and they refuse to charge him.
And here's some more reading between the lines conjecture for you, Beave. If they won't charge Epps for crimes we can watch him commit on video that's suspicious. It cries out Fedsurrection over Insurrection.
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2 hours ago, NYLefty said:
Well if you're talking "woke" I prefer this one:
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Ray Epps was connected to the feds during the Fedsurrection. It's blatant. Get over it.
Tucker showed video showing Epps lied to the subcommittee. They knew. They had access to the same video. They didn't care. He became their pal.
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We need a Prog to English dictionary.
Something like...
Conspiracy theory: Name describing the condition where it becomes preferable to ignore the obvious.
As in...
'Don't believe your lying eyes, it's a conspiracy theory."
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Back on topic for a sec...
This one is worth a read:
Stopping “Woke”? Florida HB 7, The Bill That Attempts To Put Florida Employers’ DEI Efforts To Sleep
It's by a lawyer who's final message is "Stay Woke."
But it gives lots of useful information.
She prefers the label DEI (Diversity Equity and Inclusion) to CRT.
She gives a long list of behaviors that HB 7 will seek to outlaw.
Here's the first three:
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Members of one race, color, sex, or national origin are morally superior to members of another race, color, sex, or national origin.
An individual, by virtue of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin, is inherently racist, sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.
An individual’s moral character or status as either privileged or oppressed is necessarily determined by his or her race, color, sex, or national origin."
There are 4 more offered by her.
But she tells us there is hope. You can still get around the law by not mandating the "learning," proving it is objective or offering it only as choice.
On the other hand, here's what the other side is saying concerning what's in HB 7:
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Today, Governor Ron DeSantis signed House Bill (HB) 7, to give businesses, employees, children and families tools to stand up against discrimination and woke indoctrination. The bill includes provisions to prevent discriminatory instruction in the workplace and in public schools and defines individual freedoms based on the fundamental truth that all individuals are equal before the law and have inalienable rights. This legislation is the first of its kind in the nation to take on both corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in schools in one act. Read more here.
“No one should be instructed to feel as if they are not equal or shamed because of their race,” said Governor Ron DeSantis. “In Florida, we will not let the far-left woke agenda take over our schools and workplaces. There is no place for indoctrination or discrimination in Florida.”
“By signing this legislation, which is the first in the nation to end corporate wokeness and Critical Race Theory in our schools, we are prioritizing education not indoctrination,” said Lieutenant Governor Jeanette Nuñez. “We will always fight to protect our children and parents from this Marxist-inspired curriculum.”
So that's what actually is in HB 7 according to both sides and no, there is not any current curriculum denying the existence or race of Rosa Parks that came out of it. That was a lie perpetrated by the New York Times and The Hill.
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39 minutes ago, Rebound said:
First you said that the textbook photos were “heavily photoshopped” and now you show us evidence that the publisher admits they were actual passages from their books.
There is some heavy photo-shopping in at least one of the two pics the NYT used to produce that clip. Two separate photos were taken from different sources years in the past. They are the same picture but one has the skin lightened.
https://tineye.com/search/d8c14a77a38e946ebadfc31bd626f7b15686dc1e?sort=score&order=desc&page=1
https://tineye.com/search/796c091b6a448661aaada0905280b4d1ed05e253?sort=score&order=desc&page=1
The two pictures were then taken by the New York Times and produced for the public with hastily produced and in one case uneven text.
I never said either of those NYT productions were in the current curriculum. That's a lie based on the lie told originally by NYT. Why do you pathetic types keep on insisting on believing the lie even though the actual facts have been laid out before you?
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34 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:
The story of Rosa Parks or the civil rights movement is not CRT. The new conservative tactic of labelling anyone and anything as “woke” or “CRT” and claiming unlimited license to ban them and even jail them is just fascist censorship, period
Except the revisions to the curriculum as described in your NYT piece isn't true. It's a lie. The publisher says so. The curriculum was not revised to take Rosa Parks out nor to make her white. You're basing your thesis on proven lies.
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8 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:
Hilarious claim completely invented by you with zero evidence. Nowhere in this company’s backpedaling denial do they claim to have been “infiltrated”.
No they don't. Nor did I claim they did. I claimed that reading between the lines I sensed dirty deeds. Specifically infiltration of the editing process then using it to post a false story in a legitimate publication that the easily persuaded would repeat as evidence the curriculum was being corrupted by the Governor and state and not themselves.
I got the idea from this passage in the original source. Not the lies from partisan sources like NYT and the Hill that have been proven false but you still cultishly insist on nodding your head and obediently agreeing with:
"Typically our quality assurance processes would have flagged and denied edit approval. Unfortunately during the final hours before the deadline they circumvented the established protocols in an attempt to submit their revisions on time.
We have identified those individuals, taken corrective action and implemented additional safeguards to avoid any issues in the future.
And I find it interesting that you insist on supporting the second hand telling of the story by partisan sources to the testimonial from the original source on what is currently in the curriculum.
I get it though, you as king of lies must always support the lie or what's left in your kingdom.
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But thanks Beave, you're right I didn't bother with the body of the OP because the title was such obvious BS it was all I saw.
But OK, now that you've pointed me to it how would you like to hear the rest of the story?
Start from the first page of Studies Weekly's website:
https://www.studiesweekly.com/
I can't copy and paste from there so I'll type you out a paragraph and you can click the link to the actual source (not some leftist rag) if you like.
"From: STUDIES WEEKLY RESPONSE TO THE NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE
We find the omission or altering of historical fact to be abhorrent and do not defend it.
Although it was too late, once we discovered the unapproved changes, as evidenced by the file discrepancies within our submission we planned to rectify the situation but could not edit it during the review. Those unapproved changes have already been removed from our curriculum. We had no intention of allowing those versions to become our official state versions..."
https://www.studiesweekly.com/
So if you go read the whole thing it sounds like a couple of progressive leftists decided to infiltrate Studies Weekly and do a little sabotage. They got caught and apparently they got fired. So at least another one (maybe two) bite the dust. So some good came of it.
And Beave you should know by now my bullshit detector is deadly. Doesn't matter if I miss something I'll keep going until the whole truth gets out there.
I see why your compatriots were so desperate not to post links though.
I was going to do an image search on their photoshopped quotes to see where they originally came from but then I thought, 'no let's see how deep they want to dig their hole first.'
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10 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:
Show me.
Aren't you part of team evidence? The ones always demanding evidence from everybody else? Surely the 2 of you (if there actually are two) can produce evidence of a Florida curriculum that denies the existence of Rosa Parks.
That's what I asked you for. You offered up two tiny, heavily photo-shopped clips that lacked any kind of context or indication of where they came from. I know I didn't ask for that.
You and me have a vastly different idea of what I asked for.
Very well, let me put it so clear that even both you and your siamese twin thinker can understand.
I'd like to know who this publisher is, why you seem to think he speaks for what he believes the Florida curriculum requires. Why he claims that curriculum doesn't want Rosa Parks race acknowledged. Why you want to claim him for a truth-teller and why you want us to believe this fantasy is a fact originating with Ron DeSantis.
Actually don't worry about any of that secondary stuff. Just give me the name of this secret publisher of yours and I'll find out the rest for you.
But you won't will you? You really, really don't want anybody to know. Let's guess why that is.
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1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:
Hilariously you’re at it again demanding “evidence” while spouting conspiracy theories to dismiss the evidence provided AND THEN JUST COMPLETELY MAKING SH-T UP WIITH NO EVIDENCE with your “actually what probably happened” statement
Now thanks to Rebound you’ve been provided actual photos that show once again the NYT claim was true and the nonsense you made up in your own head just now was just your usual gibberish lies.
This is the third time you or your heroes have been asked to identify the publisher of this one book you want to imply represents the whole of Florida's history curriculum and Governor DeSantis's personal input. It's curious none of you want to or so far don't seem able to provide a link. The little clip R&R were able to find sounds childish. Grade 3, maybe.
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5 hours ago, Rebound said:
Here’s the before and after, from the text book publisher.
Before (Current Textbook):
After (Textbook revision to comply with Florida censorship):
Which textbook? "THE" textbook, right? Is that all there is. No context, of course. No name of publisher as requested. Pretty amateurish text arrangement in first link. Some obvious photo-shopping to lighten the skin in the second which makes me suspect some cowardice as to why you didn't want to post a link.
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Oh and Beave, let's be clear we're talking about a single publisher who we're being told to assume told an NYT writer that he would no longer talk about Rosa Parks. Or maybe she got that info from somebody who knew his uncle's dental hygienist or something. Actually what's more likely is some critical theorist who's been able to stuff any kind of CRT BS into the curriculum up until now finds out he can't do it anymore and pulls Rosa Parks denial out his butt.
It would be nice to know who exactly that one publisher was and what exactly his historical connection was to the Florida curriculum.
An actual reliable reference source would have included such "evidence." The fact "what's- her-name" from the NYT didn't offer it makes me distrust her.
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17 hours ago, Rebound said:
As a result of the law and the censors that DeSantis has appointed, Rosa Parks is being portrayed in Florida textbooks without mentioning her race.
Show me.
Aren't you part of team evidence? The ones always demanding evidence from everybody else? Surely the 2 of you (if there actually are two) can produce evidence of a Florida curriculum that denies the existence of Rosa Parks.
If you think "according to the New York times" is going to do it, assume you're hearing rigorous laughter in reply. I'm not even sure what exactly that girl from NYT is saying. Seems to be some sort of coded message for the NYT NPCs to attach prog inferences onto.
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In DeSantis’s revised history curriculum, Florida textbook altered to remove references to Rosa Parks’s race:
Really? Did they now? Who says so?
Oh wait...the BS alert just went off in my head. All I had to see was this:
Quoteaccording to The New York Times.
So I had to know what they actually said so I searched past the paygated article in the Slimes that was linked in the OP.
Here ya go:
Here's what they actually said about Rosa Parks.
QuoteA prominent conservative education group, whose members volunteered to review textbooks, objected to a slew of them, accusing publishers of “promoting their bias.”
At least two publishers declined to participate altogether. And in a sign of how fraught the political landscape has become, one publisher created multiple versions of its social studies material, softening or eliminating references to race — even in the story of Rosa Parks — as it sought to gain approval in Florida
Now they tried awful hard to lead easy believers in a direction they'd like to lead but nowhere did even the much litigated against New York Slimes try to claim that Ron DeSantis is mandating against teaching Rosa Parks is black.
If that's what you took from the bogus title of this thread you're believing a lie.
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Oh will, you please stop talking from this high level you've created for yourself in your imagination.
Again. You're better than nobody.
So...NYL enjoying yourself yet? See how much power a lefty noob has to make an existing member like Reason a pariah? Not much, eh?
I'll give you credit for one thing. You've attracted my attention. I didn't notice you before.
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Your idea of a free market is simply a globalist/socialist monopoly of the woke where your choice is agree or be attacked.
And to that I simply say...
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See how quick that happened, NYL?
The guy pretty much lives here.
And here you are worried about poor ol' Reason10.
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In DeSantis’s revised history curriculum, Rosa Parks wasn’t black or a civil rights activist
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Let's check that out. Here is how my very first post in this thread began.
My god, Beave you have finally said something that may be correct. Was it an accident?
I began asking you to justify the title of your thread and I'm still doing it. We're precisely where we started. Where the snake first began to swallow its head.
Well can you then? Can you show me in the Publisher's response to the New York Times. Where they say the current textbook will be altered to say Rosa Parks was just some woman of non descript racial origins?
Still can't do it, eh?
How about showing me how it's possible for Ron De Santis to be responsible for something that's not going to happen?
Is that proving to be too much even for the King of Lies?
And also one more time. If you can't show me where the curriculum will be minimizing the race or importance of Rosa Parks to the civil rights story, what are you complaining about?