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Yes like freedom of mobility. So you don't understand the difference between median and average

As per the banks, I don't think we're that far apart. So we can put that aside As for the current issue( the blockade) the idea of a non confidence motion to deal with it doesn't really make sense(Though I do agree it's a problem) because non confidence motions are generally reserved for thigs pertaining to budgets

Subjective? Learn how to do some independent research, lets just take health, life expectancy and infant mortality rates are the internationally accepted matrix, and we score better than the states that's objective. You seem to have a problem with some pretty basic vocabulary, you already showed in another discussion you don't understand the difference between assets and liabilities, now you seem to be confusing median and average. If you don't even understand the words you write, there seems no point in me continuing to engage in discussion with the willfully ignorant

Don't have a higher standard of living? What are you on about? We're better educated, healthier, safer, happier, have a higher median incomeand more economic mobility. How do you define standard of living?

This is again a far cry from the US bailed us out, though in this conversation i realize you haven't made that direct claim others here have. Please do not confuse me with the average partisan hack on this website, I design my debate style(or at least try) on the Socratic method, meaning if im provided evidence contrary to what i think I not only welcome it but consider it a win much more than "scoring points" for the peanut gallery, I'd muxh rather make myself smarter than make others look stupid. Though often the former is much more difficult than the latter in most cases

I'm not sure who you're arguing with, but it's not me Again, I essentially agree with what your saying My point was, is and has consistently in almost every interjection I've made on this forum, revolve around the choice of vocabulary employed by many here. If the comment was phrased as, Canada is over dependant on the states, not only would I tend to agree, this is a valid claim and certainly warrants discussion, but the statement " Canada is propped up by the US, is not a valid(or even sound) claim and warrants nothing but refutation

I'll need to read it a little more, but it seems that its talking about Canada buying loans from the bank to have liquidity, and nothing to do with US intervention. I am aware that the CMHC did intervene, what that has to do with the states im not sure, but will definitely look into it. My goal is always to know what is true, and not win an argument.

Perceived being the operative word, we have one of the best trained ground forces in the world, and examples like the D.A.R.T unit are recognized around the world for the work they do. Honestly, propped up seems a little strong, we self identify as peace keepers, have no real enemies as we don't try and police the world and geographically are not easy to attack, how much military do we need. Costa Rica has no army, in a higher conflict area and does fine. Again the size of our economy has nothing to do with its independence, also the WTO and other trade bodies tend to find in our favor over the states in many disputes,and we conduct trade deals between other nations without aid from the US, so again implying economic independence. Because they're our neighbor and largest(by far) trading partner. If the house beside me(lets say its ten times bigger than mine) burns down and i get smoke damage, does that mean my house is propped up by thiers? Or im dependant on him to fix it? No I have my own insurance, it will of course affect me, I may not be able to park on the street because of emergency vehicles, I may have to live through the mess of construction if i suffered damages, what it won't do after all the inconvenience is diminish the value of my property, nor will it affect my ability to pay my mortgage, quite analogous to the US Canada relationship

really? Citation please We didn't invest in subprime mortgages(or more specifically those that insured the bad loans) so why would we need to be bailed out? And why would the states give money to our banks when ours were fine and theirs were flailing?

Actually, you responded directly to " Propped up? Please explain" Propped up is defined as to stop somthing from falling by placing something under it. Interdependent is defined as two or more things dependant on each other, a clear difference. Of course we're a little more dependent on the US they're the biggest consumers on the planet with a population and economy 10x our size, and yes it is a potential problem that we are so reliant on the strength of a foreign states economy, but that is a far cry from being "propped up" Never did I "hold Canada up as the best for anything" our banks are given a better credit rating than the states that's just a fact, and i use it as an example because the strength of a nations banking system is a pretty good indicator of their financial independence and sovereignty, and that we made it through a crisis caused by the US that did very little damage to our economy (in fact it allowed many snow birds to acquire real estate at rock bottom prices) shows we can and do thrive independent of what the US does

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, i would add some nuance though. I feel you're diverting from my original objection to the statement that "Canada is propped up by the US" Of course we are interdependent with the US, and Canada is undoubtedly more dependent on the US for our economic strength, there are other factors that contribute to this also, including the fact that we sell raw materials to then rebuy those same materials but processed when we should invest in processing those things here, the bce(mad cow) issue we had a while ago prove that when forced we can process raw materials and when we do so it's better for our economy. Again the issue I had objection to was we are "propped up" by the states and you have yet to provide a justification for that statement. I will return to the same example as i feel it accurately represents my view, not only did our banks make it through the US caused 2008 financial crisis, we were lauded internationally for the strength of our banks, and we continue to be higher rated than our US contemporaries. If Canada was propped up by the US it would stand to reason that if the states were in a major financial crisis we would not make it through unscathed. Though you're obviously not obliged to focus on the banking issue(i do feel not addressing it specifically, as it is a totally relevant and possibly the best matrix to the topic at hand, should be seen as a cop out) Please stick to the issue at hand

The question is not how Canada can or should compete in a global market, but if the US is some how propping up Canada, and the success of our banks during the subprime mortgage crisis exemplifies how our system is independent of the states. The fact that the US invest in our banks and the reverse is not true supports my argument, and the idea that the states willfully decided to prop up Canadian banks at the expense of their own is just silly

So explain, are you saying that the US owns our banking system? A small market compared to other G7 nations yes, but big enough to be part of the G7

You like to make this claim alot, do you even know what a confederation is? Seriously! Propped up? Please explain how we can have a higher standard of living than the foreign state that props us up, or even easier how this failed country can manage to have a better credit rating internationally than those who prop us up? Maybe you can do it without resorting to threats of gun violence like the last time i asked you to provide any evidence for your ridiculous assertions.

I think I may have missed the mark with my original post, based on the responses. Let me try again, I in no way blame America, in fact appreciate many of the aspects of American culture. My point was(and is) that political differences in Canada are based on regional disputes mostly due to a centralized gov't(unlike the US where each state has a much broader autonomy) and not on a right /left dichotomy that is omnipresent south of the border. Again as an example of this the right/left axis in northern Alberta is much different then that in Montreal on the plateau and regardless where you fit on that spectrum in either place your problems are much more often than not due the decisions taken by that same centralized gov't On the idea we don't have a defined Canadian identity, allow me to respectfully disagree, i will grant you we lack the patriotic fervour displayed by our neighbors , and that when it comes to many cultural things(music, art, etc..) In can be hard to draw a definitive line between us, though sometimes its us that influences them. There are also many fundamental major differences when it comes to politics. One example for the purpose of this conversation is campaign financing laws. The difference between the two countries on this point alone illustrates a clear distinction on how politics are done In conclusion when i say American style politics, im speaking solely on the extreme polarization that is built in their system, that has never been part of ours and does nothing but cloud our abilities to solve real problems. Politicians in the states only care about reelection and not dealing with issues, and because we don't do it that way, today we have a higher standard of living and i want to keep it that way

I feel your pain. NB has a generally poor selection. Pump house isn't bad. Distillerie Fils du roy makes amazing gin, ive never tried the beer but i know they brew some, have you tried that? Can't get it here

I like this thread, and some of the names Mill house, driftwood etc.. Bring back memories of my travels. Always found it weird how different each provinces "beer store" inventory was, and not even just in local products but imports as well Im in Montreal now, great microbrewery culture, one is Dieu du ciel that's available in stores. Personally im a lightweight when it comes to beer(though as my name suggests I have other vices), i like stuff like Steam whistle, clean, simple pilsner, four ingredients, hops, barley, yeast, water

First off, what are you going on about? Cant answer if you give no context Second, anyone who at the same time claims they're both a Christian and a trump supporter exhibits such cognitive dissonance that futher conversation is pointless

Could you possibly put more words in my mouth? Dude if the best you can do is argue against points,that not only did I not make but don't even agree with, im not even sure responding is worth it, but im a glutton for punishment so here goes All i said was that following a man that claims to be an authority on everything but can't offer any supporting evidence. Ie; im rich but won't show comprehensive financial statements can't and shouldn't be trusted. But you keep making straw men so you can tear them down, but my head is in the sand? Silly little man

And your citation supports my claims. You've provided zero evidence that he succeeded without daddy's money, or do you not agree that orangealy, orangey, at the beginning( maybe if i speak like him you'll understand better) it was his father bankrolling him? The fact is that without comprehensive financial statements, neither of us have any idea what he has or doesn't, but i don't know very many successful business men with multiple bankruptcies, lawsuits, and court rulings against them, and none that can't even run a charity above board. I started a small foundation for foster kids in my area( i was one) and even though ive never claimed to be a billionaire, my charity has given more then the trump foundation

You provided a reference that said he bought some buildings in the 80s( in new york where it waa most definitely a buyers market with his daddys money), and another about a licensing deal in the early 2000s, along with a a slough of failures. That was exactly what i said

I already said he was a brilliant self promoter. Still waiting on what business ventures he succeeded with on his own merits. Playing a business man on a scripted tv show means nothing, do you remember the old commercials with the guy that says " im not a doctor, i just play one on TV" ? Same thing with trump. Trump hater? Please! Facts don't have political agendas

What? You can't have any credibility if you're not only anonymous, but you're historical sources aren't even written in the language that was used by the person you're supposedly reporting on. Willam lane Craig is a hack that misrepresents things including but not limited to the kalam cosmological argument, and has been destroyed by many actual philosophical scholars, Do you know whar pascals wager is? It's the video you put forth, if you don't understand your own argument nothing i can do for you Your argument against pi being an estimate is simply ridiculous. If your God was all knowing why would he give an approximate? Again, if he can't communicate simple math, why would you think the rest of the book has any truth?

Hmmm a guy with cheney in his name talking about bias, funny No im sure you're right being given tens if not hundreds of millions in the 80s in new york with connections the real estate market that his father was in, then using his fathers reputation to license his name takes real skill. Again can you show any success he has had in business that was not dependent on his fathers money or reputation? Forget business the man can't run a charity

Daddy buying you things does not a successful business make So what? That's your retort? So apparently you have nothing substantive or intelligent to asd Yes the irs does, and taxes show the entire situation, not to mention the returns we have seen show him losing money unparalleled to his contemporaries at the time. That you see no issue with his demonstrable untruths, shows nothing but your inability to understand basic principles in life not to mention a complete ignorance to politics