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May i assume you speak french fluently? That you understand the difference between the words, souveraineté association, souverainiste, nationalistes, and indépendantiste? Because if you don't, your in no place to comment on Quebec politics Don't get me wrong, I in NO way, shape or form support the separation of Quebec, but having now lived in Montreal for almost 20 and speaking fluent french i can now appreciate the nuances of the movement, and the fact that many of their reasonable "demands"( not all their demands are reasonable) for more autonomy whould be supported by other provincial governments. As far a survival, the french language is worth protecting, and again though it can most definitely go to far in some areas, bill 101 overall is net positive, and will prevent a Catalonia situation here Not to mention the original "souveraineté association", proposed by René Levesque (that was actually the name he wanted and not the "Partie Québécois" that was finally decided upon against his will)gave us things like campaign finance laws and nationalized(that what they call province run here) enery, things now taken for granted by most Canadians.

Did you ever see the tv series "Hunting Hitler" ? It offers no actual solid evidence, and was obviously dramatized for TV, but it did raise some interesting questions about if he really died in that bunker

Seriously, read a little Canada takes in more migrants percapita than the US and has for a long time Wait! Do you not understand percapita either? 10-15 million? You realize that's almost half our population, right?

Any evidence to contradict the link i provided or are you just talking out your ass again? If its the latter, i just won't bother to respond, no point in discussion with someone that doesn't even follow the basic laws of logic

How long we live or how many babies die, objective Math and reading skills, objective Ability to change jobs and move within your own borders while still maintaining the same standard of living, objective Crime rates and murders percapita, objective Income median or average, even adjusted to purchasing power, objective I could go on but I'll stick with the objective examples i already gave Abstract concepts like freedom of speech, or even the concept of "freedom" in general, completely subjective.

Apparently I was wrong we have a higher average and median income. Seriously brother, try doing at least a small amount of study before just shooting off your mouth, it just makes you look silly and any valid point you may make is easily disregarded csls2019-01.pdf

Agreed pressure must be applied to resolve this, but again bringing it back to vocabulary used, non confidence vote applies to budget matters exclusively and arguing it as a potential solution only wastes time going down a dead end road.

Here's a small grade 7(?) Math lesson If there a 3 people person 1 makes one dollar, person two makes one hundred dollars, and person three makes ten thousand dollars, that's and average income of around 3500$, but a median income of 100$ Hope this helps you out of that veil of ignorance you live under

Yes like freedom of mobility. So you don't understand the difference between median and average

As per the banks, I don't think we're that far apart. So we can put that aside As for the current issue( the blockade) the idea of a non confidence motion to deal with it doesn't really make sense(Though I do agree it's a problem) because non confidence motions are generally reserved for thigs pertaining to budgets

Subjective? Learn how to do some independent research, lets just take health, life expectancy and infant mortality rates are the internationally accepted matrix, and we score better than the states that's objective. You seem to have a problem with some pretty basic vocabulary, you already showed in another discussion you don't understand the difference between assets and liabilities, now you seem to be confusing median and average. If you don't even understand the words you write, there seems no point in me continuing to engage in discussion with the willfully ignorant

Don't have a higher standard of living? What are you on about? We're better educated, healthier, safer, happier, have a higher median incomeand more economic mobility. How do you define standard of living?

This is again a far cry from the US bailed us out, though in this conversation i realize you haven't made that direct claim others here have. Please do not confuse me with the average partisan hack on this website, I design my debate style(or at least try) on the Socratic method, meaning if im provided evidence contrary to what i think I not only welcome it but consider it a win much more than "scoring points" for the peanut gallery, I'd muxh rather make myself smarter than make others look stupid. Though often the former is much more difficult than the latter in most cases

I'm not sure who you're arguing with, but it's not me Again, I essentially agree with what your saying My point was, is and has consistently in almost every interjection I've made on this forum, revolve around the choice of vocabulary employed by many here. If the comment was phrased as, Canada is over dependant on the states, not only would I tend to agree, this is a valid claim and certainly warrants discussion, but the statement " Canada is propped up by the US, is not a valid(or even sound) claim and warrants nothing but refutation

I'll need to read it a little more, but it seems that its talking about Canada buying loans from the bank to have liquidity, and nothing to do with US intervention. I am aware that the CMHC did intervene, what that has to do with the states im not sure, but will definitely look into it. My goal is always to know what is true, and not win an argument.

Perceived being the operative word, we have one of the best trained ground forces in the world, and examples like the D.A.R.T unit are recognized around the world for the work they do. Honestly, propped up seems a little strong, we self identify as peace keepers, have no real enemies as we don't try and police the world and geographically are not easy to attack, how much military do we need. Costa Rica has no army, in a higher conflict area and does fine. Again the size of our economy has nothing to do with its independence, also the WTO and other trade bodies tend to find in our favor over the states in many disputes,and we conduct trade deals between other nations without aid from the US, so again implying economic independence. Because they're our neighbor and largest(by far) trading partner. If the house beside me(lets say its ten times bigger than mine) burns down and i get smoke damage, does that mean my house is propped up by thiers? Or im dependant on him to fix it? No I have my own insurance, it will of course affect me, I may not be able to park on the street because of emergency vehicles, I may have to live through the mess of construction if i suffered damages, what it won't do after all the inconvenience is diminish the value of my property, nor will it affect my ability to pay my mortgage, quite analogous to the US Canada relationship

really? Citation please We didn't invest in subprime mortgages(or more specifically those that insured the bad loans) so why would we need to be bailed out? And why would the states give money to our banks when ours were fine and theirs were flailing?

Actually, you responded directly to " Propped up? Please explain" Propped up is defined as to stop somthing from falling by placing something under it. Interdependent is defined as two or more things dependant on each other, a clear difference. Of course we're a little more dependent on the US they're the biggest consumers on the planet with a population and economy 10x our size, and yes it is a potential problem that we are so reliant on the strength of a foreign states economy, but that is a far cry from being "propped up" Never did I "hold Canada up as the best for anything" our banks are given a better credit rating than the states that's just a fact, and i use it as an example because the strength of a nations banking system is a pretty good indicator of their financial independence and sovereignty, and that we made it through a crisis caused by the US that did very little damage to our economy (in fact it allowed many snow birds to acquire real estate at rock bottom prices) shows we can and do thrive independent of what the US does

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you said, i would add some nuance though. I feel you're diverting from my original objection to the statement that "Canada is propped up by the US" Of course we are interdependent with the US, and Canada is undoubtedly more dependent on the US for our economic strength, there are other factors that contribute to this also, including the fact that we sell raw materials to then rebuy those same materials but processed when we should invest in processing those things here, the bce(mad cow) issue we had a while ago prove that when forced we can process raw materials and when we do so it's better for our economy. Again the issue I had objection to was we are "propped up" by the states and you have yet to provide a justification for that statement. I will return to the same example as i feel it accurately represents my view, not only did our banks make it through the US caused 2008 financial crisis, we were lauded internationally for the strength of our banks, and we continue to be higher rated than our US contemporaries. If Canada was propped up by the US it would stand to reason that if the states were in a major financial crisis we would not make it through unscathed. Though you're obviously not obliged to focus on the banking issue(i do feel not addressing it specifically, as it is a totally relevant and possibly the best matrix to the topic at hand, should be seen as a cop out) Please stick to the issue at hand

The question is not how Canada can or should compete in a global market, but if the US is some how propping up Canada, and the success of our banks during the subprime mortgage crisis exemplifies how our system is independent of the states. The fact that the US invest in our banks and the reverse is not true supports my argument, and the idea that the states willfully decided to prop up Canadian banks at the expense of their own is just silly

So explain, are you saying that the US owns our banking system? A small market compared to other G7 nations yes, but big enough to be part of the G7

You like to make this claim alot, do you even know what a confederation is? Seriously! Propped up? Please explain how we can have a higher standard of living than the foreign state that props us up, or even easier how this failed country can manage to have a better credit rating internationally than those who prop us up? Maybe you can do it without resorting to threats of gun violence like the last time i asked you to provide any evidence for your ridiculous assertions.

I think I may have missed the mark with my original post, based on the responses. Let me try again, I in no way blame America, in fact appreciate many of the aspects of American culture. My point was(and is) that political differences in Canada are based on regional disputes mostly due to a centralized gov't(unlike the US where each state has a much broader autonomy) and not on a right /left dichotomy that is omnipresent south of the border. Again as an example of this the right/left axis in northern Alberta is much different then that in Montreal on the plateau and regardless where you fit on that spectrum in either place your problems are much more often than not due the decisions taken by that same centralized gov't On the idea we don't have a defined Canadian identity, allow me to respectfully disagree, i will grant you we lack the patriotic fervour displayed by our neighbors , and that when it comes to many cultural things(music, art, etc..) In can be hard to draw a definitive line between us, though sometimes its us that influences them. There are also many fundamental major differences when it comes to politics. One example for the purpose of this conversation is campaign financing laws. The difference between the two countries on this point alone illustrates a clear distinction on how politics are done In conclusion when i say American style politics, im speaking solely on the extreme polarization that is built in their system, that has never been part of ours and does nothing but cloud our abilities to solve real problems. Politicians in the states only care about reelection and not dealing with issues, and because we don't do it that way, today we have a higher standard of living and i want to keep it that way

I feel your pain. NB has a generally poor selection. Pump house isn't bad. Distillerie Fils du roy makes amazing gin, ive never tried the beer but i know they brew some, have you tried that? Can't get it here

I like this thread, and some of the names Mill house, driftwood etc.. Bring back memories of my travels. Always found it weird how different each provinces "beer store" inventory was, and not even just in local products but imports as well Im in Montreal now, great microbrewery culture, one is Dieu du ciel that's available in stores. Personally im a lightweight when it comes to beer(though as my name suggests I have other vices), i like stuff like Steam whistle, clean, simple pilsner, four ingredients, hops, barley, yeast, water