Yzermandius19

Yes and that theory is based on faith that flattening the curve will keep the system from being overrun, but if that doesn't happen, and the medical capacity line is far lower than social distancing and shutting down the economy can flatten the curve, then the attempt to flatten the curve just made everything worse and increases the amount of time the system will be overwhelmed for. Most people around here don't seem to grasp the concept at all, and are just really sure they think they do. Also you can't shut everything down forever, and once you open things back up there will be nothing to stop the infection from spreading at a faster rate once that happens, so you are still going to get a spike after you are forced to finish stalling, all that happened was the inevitable was delayed and you wrecked the economy on top of it. Not great, Bob.

The evidence of reinfection has not shown up yet. The problem is, slowing down the rate people get infected by the virus keeps herd immunity low, and it's herd immunity that will kill the virus, the social distancing should only be used to protect particularily at risk populations.

Wrong, the amount of infections is the same, you simply spaced them out more, and hopefully the medical capacity won't be overrun, but if it is overrun anyway, all you did was destroy the economy and the virus will stick around for longer, with more viral generations also increasing the chances of mutation. Clearly you do not understand what "flattening the curve" is at all.

And shutting down the economy doesn't get us back on our feet the fastest, not shutting down the economy on the other hand does get us back on our feet the fastest. Social distancing stretches out the length the problem will endure for, it does not speed it up, flattening the curve means the problem goes on longer because the infections are spread out over time.

Except none of that is being done, there isn't enough time to make up for the lack of preparation, or lack of resources. Stalling for few weeks or months will not result in that problem magically going away, the system is still going to be swamped, all you did was change the timing on when that happens, and you destroyed the economy on top of it, to no useful effect. Not great, Bob. South Korea was smart enough not destroy their economy yet, proving that if you don't shut down the economy, the sky isn't going to fall like you think it is, or the sky would have fallen on South Korea already.

Methinks that you think I said something very different from what I actually said.

It's more on the people who are too afraid to go out to panic buy, and the governments who pander to them. The panic buyers aren't the panickers I'm talking about. People buying things is propping up the economy, extreme social distancing, especially the government mandated variety, is destroying it.

The ramifications of shutting down the economy on human life will be several orders of magnitude worse than the ramifications of the virus on human life, and it will be a double whammy, worst of both worlds scenario.

Your proposals are not wise, nor do they minimize suffering. It is being mishandled but for the opposite reason that you think it is. People can't handle uncertainty and in desperation makes stupid choices, and that goes double for governments who are pandering to these clowns on top of being incompetent.

Shutting down the economy is panicking. It's not preparing, it's not being sensible, it's stalling and engaging in wishful thinking. You thinking that stalling will make the virus magically go away is not supported by any trustworthy data.

I'm not being careless, I'm just not panicking, like you, and governments around the world. Nor am I engaging in dumb behavior and policies that will unnecessarily drag this out like y'all are.

Indeed the reaction to the virus is more dangerous than the virus itself. Panicking for the fail.

Reality will not line up with your SIFCLF delusions, just as it isn't as we speak.

When people use images or videos to help illustrate their point, that isn't garbage. There is a difference between images that clutter up the forum, and those that don't. If you don't want people posting images under any circumstances, then why even have the feature?

I have read your posts, and it's all Sky Is Falling Chicken Little F*ggotry, your posts are those of a complete panic monkey knee jerk nanny state rube.

That strategy isn't a strategy. It's a stall tactic to come up with a strategy, and yet all they are doing is tunnel visioning on stall tactics. You might have read a lot about this, but that doesn't mean your comprehension is any good, and your trust in China to report the facts to everyone is laughable. If you honestly believe the Coronavirus is gone from China and never coming back, I have bridge to sell you.

Everywhere that isn't China basically, and you're trust in China's data over Singapore's or Hong Kong's is laughable. Italy is trying the Chinese model, how's that working out for them? Not great, Bob. The same government that covered up the Coronavirus outbreak up is the government you trust when they say they have no new cases, and the government you trust to implement the most effective measures containing the outbreak. The sheer idiocy of that is next level, do you believe North Korea as well when they say they haven't had any cases? That's the next step in your idiocy spiral, we should all go with North Korea model of pretending the virus doesn't exist and be a 1984 totalitarian hell hole.

Once they return to work the virus will make a comeback and you can't keep everything shut down forever. Your faith in the Chinese model is misplaced, you seem to just assume there will only be one wave and if you just wait it out the virus will vanish, this is wishful thinking, not wise policy. We are already seeing that countries who shut things down are seeing a surge in cases once they open things back up, your plan is a miserable failure. Shutting things down does not kill the virus, it simply slows it down and kicks the can down the road, it does not clean up the can, it's entirely a stall tactic.

I'm not even talking about just travel lockdowns here, I'm talking about the locking down of most of the economy in general. The illusion of control is more important to the rubes than saving lives, because they think having the illusion of control saves lives, and support counter-productive measures as a result. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and the SIFCLF panic monkey's are paving that road real fast at the moment, all while imaging themselves to be heroes for helping destroy the economy.

In other words, for now, the rubes feel safer with idiotic draconian measures that kill the economy being put in place, even though they are no safer and might even be less safe in the long run because of those very measures. Pandering to ignorant rubes can backfire, and this is one of those instances.

Shutting things down simply delays the inevitable. If that delay isn't enough time to increase the capacity of the medical system and it's still going to get swamped no matter what, then shutting down the economy does no good whatsoever, while destroying the economy and reducing the speed at which herd immunity is acquired. A double whammy worst of both worlds scenario.

Yet South Korea didn't shut down it's economy, and the sky did not fall. All these other countries assuming the sky will fall if they don't shut down the economy are doing severe economic damage for no real gain on the health side of things. Moral of the story: Shutting down the economy is one of the worst ways to fight the virus. In fact the economy should be harnessed to fight the virus, not treated like the enemy, South Korea Knows.

South Korea did not shut down it's economy. It only quarantined the sick, not everyone. South Korea's approach was so successful because it was less draconian, not more draconian. The South Korean results were better than Chinese results, despite China locking everything down in a ridiculous fashion, meanwhile South Korea did not take the economic hit that China did. This assumption that draconian measures are the only effective ones, is simply not born out by the facts, and is an entirely faith based assertion by control freaks who want to feel like government crackdowns will wipe out the virus regardless of whether or not it's true.

That's the problem right there. Thinking that staying home and destroying the economy is going to save Canada, when quite the opposite is going to happen. People who think they are heroes for staying at home and sitting on the couch, and that doing so will save the world, are useless SIFCLFs who wish their actions are more important than they really are. They want to believe they have that level of control over nature, because it helps them sleep at night. Living in a world they have no or limited control is too scary for them to handle, so they pretend they live in some fairy and unicorn world instead as a control freak defense mechanism against a harsh reality.

Be like China is not how to be successful, that how to squander your potential by being communists.