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Why was he and many others knowingly sent to a known human rights violation country and torture / death prison in the first place? The Trump administration knew exactly what they were doing. They even paid that country six million dollars to take them.

Nonsense. You have become an environmental fanatic. There is no big threat from another oil pipeline. If there is the rare spill, it can be cleaned up. It is unlikely to affect a salmon run. A terminal in Prince Rupert is in the open ocean, not in the Skeena River. If a pipeline terminal is built in Kitimat, that is a saltwater inlet and not connected to the Skeena River. I don't think there is any threat to salmon runs from the TMX pipeline terminal in Burnaby or a future terminal if built at Prince Rupert or Kitimat. The B.C. coast is huge and the distances are huge. So a spill would likely be in a very small area and not affect the huge areas through the B.C. coast. The B.C. coast is made up of many islands and the area from the open Pacific to the inner coast from the southern border to the Alaska panhandle is probably thousands of square kilometers. So even if there was a spill somewhere in that vast area, it would be a drop in the bucket. That means it would be unlikely to affect any salmon runs. The Canadian coast guard also uses marine traffic control now to control freighters and oil tankers moving in and out of the seaports which further reduces the possibility of an accident. "Marine traffic control in Prince Rupert and Kitimat uses shore-based radar123. The radar provides extensive coverage from the Prince Rupert Harbour and approaches, past the Triple Island Pilot Station to the west1. The system aims to improve vessel visibility and monitoring3."

Yes, the subject is your lack of empathy. " Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia[a][b] is a Salvadoran man who was illegally[9] deported from the United States on March 15, 2025, in what the Trump administration called "an administrative error".[10] He was imprisoned without trial, initially in the Salvadoran maximum security Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), despite never having been charged with nor convicted of a crime in either country,[11][12] under the countries' agreement[13] to imprison U.S. deportees there for payment.[14] The administration has since defended the deportation, publicly accusing him of being a member of MS-13 (a U.S.-designated terrorist organization), an accusation based on a bail determination made during a 2019 immigration court proceeding, which Abrego Garcia contested.[15] Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador and then illegally immigrated to the United States in 2011 at the age of 16 to escape gang threats. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him withholding of removal status due to the danger he faced from gang violence if he returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he lived in Maryland along with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).[16] On April 10, 2025, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled, without dissent,[c] that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal.[19] The court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Supreme Court justice Sonia Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene." The Supreme Court required the U.S. to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release, but stopped short of a lower court's directive to both "facilitate and effectuate" his return, instead directing the lower court to clarify what it meant by "effectuate".[20] The administration interpreted "facilitate" to mean it is not obligated to arrange his release and return,[21] and can meet its obligation by admitting him into the U.S.[21] and providing a plane[22] if El Salvador chooses to release him, which President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador refuses to do. Bukele stated in an Oval Office meeting that he would not "smuggle a terrorist into the United States".[23] The case regarding facilitating Abrego Garcia's return continues to be litigated in district court. The government has argued that the case involves state secrets, and refused various discovery requests on that basis.[24] U.S. senator Chris Van Hollen met Abrego Garcia in El Salvador on April 18, 2025 where Abrego Garcia said he had been transferred from CECOT to another prison in El Salvador, and was being held in isolation.[25] On June 6, 2025, the Trump administration brought Abrego Garcia back to the US, and the DOJ announced that he had been indicted in Tennessee for "conspiracy to unlawfully transport illegal aliens for financial gain" and "unlawful transportation of illegal aliens for financial gain."[26] Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia[a][b] is a Salvadoran man who was illegally[9] deported from the United States on March 15, 2025, in what the Trump administration called "an administrative error".[10] He was imprisoned without trial, initially in the Salvadoran maximum security Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), despite never having been charged with nor convicted of a crime in either country,[11][12] under the countries' agreement[13] to imprison U.S. deportees there for payment.[14] The administration has since defended the deportation, publicly accusing him of being a member of MS-13 (a U.S.-designated terrorist organization), an accusation based on a bail determination made during a 2019 immigration court proceeding, which Abrego Garcia contested.[15] Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador and then illegally immigrated to the United States in 2011 at the age of 16 to escape gang threats. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him withholding of removal status due to the danger he faced from gang violence if he returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he lived in Maryland along with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).[16] On April 10, 2025, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled, without dissent,[c] that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal.[19] The court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Supreme Court justice Sonia Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene." The Supreme Court required the U.S. to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release, but stopped short of a lower court's directive to both "facilitate and effectuate" his return, instead directing the lower court to clarify what it meant by "effectuate".[20] The administration interpreted "facilitate" to mean it is not obligated to arrange his release and return,[21] and can meet its obligation by admitting him into the U.S.[21] and providing a plane[22] if El Salvador chooses to release him, which President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador refuses to do. Bukele stated in an Oval Office meeting that he would not "smuggle a terrorist into the United States".[23] The case regarding facilitating Abrego Garcia's return continues to be litigated in district court. The government has argued that the case involves state secrets, and refused various discovery requests on that basis.[24] U.S. senator Chris Van Hollen met Abrego Garcia in El Salvador on April 18, 2025 where Abrego Garcia said he had been transferred from CECOT to another prison in El Salvador, and was being held in isolation.[25] On June 6, 2025, the Trump administration brought Abrego Garcia back to the US, and the DOJ announced that he had been indicted in Tennessee for "conspiracy to unlawfully transport illegal aliens for financial gain" and "unlawful transportation of illegal aliens for financial gain."[26]" Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia - Wikipedia So it is a undisputed fact that the Supreme Court ruled that he had been deported to a notorious prison in El Salvador illegally. He was initially held in the notorious CECOT prison in El Salvador, but said he had been since transferred to another prison and held in solitary confinement. What for? He had not been convicted of any crimes.

Nonsense. The subject was not the victims of crimes. Go back and read the OP. The subject is the fascist type of behavior. Because some of the illegal migrants have committed criminal offences does not give the government the right to just swoop in and sent migrants to a torture and death prison in some foreign country. But you have shown you support it and don't respect human rights. Now you use the argument I lack empathy for the victims of crime. That was not the subject and you are just lying and smearing to try to get out of the mess you made for yourself.

When have you ever admitted you were wrong about anything?

You forgot to say that only a certain number of illegal migrants allegedly committed the crimes you listed. Why is it you don't believe in justice? What about the historic motto of innocent until proven guilty? Where were the trials to convict people? It is easy to make accusations without proof or due process in a justice system. Grow up kiddo. But Trump acted contrary to law and violated human rights by sending people to a notorious prison in El Salvador where people's human rights are violated, people are tortured, and many die. This was already done to many people. Many people had no due process, but even if there is a due process begun in the future, there is no right to send people to a torture and death chamber. That is capital punishment without a fair trial.

You like to make fake accusations. Shows you're desperate now. You don't believe in due process and respecting human rights. He was illegally sent to a prison in El Salvador known for torture and death and had not been charged with anything. Trump ignored court rulings repeatedly. Yet you support that kind of thing.

That could be true. Will have to wait and see what the courts decide. All I was pointing out was he was illegally sent to a cruel prison in El Salvador. I was not talking about some allegations that have now been brought up against him after Trump was ordered to bring him back. What you are saying was not known or reported when they sent him to that prison. He had not been charged with anything. Hindsight is great if you have it, but you never knew any more than me. So don't pretend you have all the answers now. So why wasn't he charged before being sent to a torture and death prison in El Salvador? He already had his rights violated. How many other people have been sent to that place? The people running this kind of system are in violation of human rights. The fact is he was illegally sent to a prison in El Salvador known for torture and hadn't been convicted of anything. Trump ignored the court orders. I don't have much respect for people that send anybody to a notorious El Salvador prison that tortures and kills prisoners. The people that support sending them there have serious mental issues. That is not how Canada operates at all.

He's being charged for something. Trump says he will deport him. That should make you happy. You sound like a MAGA guy. "Jong-Fast, who frequently comments about Trump, was asked by the host about the "indiscriminate nature" of Trump's second-term immigration raids, which have resulted in several protests. "Look, there are unintended consequences are going to be sort of, I hope not, but I think there are a lot of unintended consequences for every Trump action, right," she replied. "Like for example, I mean, I was just listening to your block before this about the steel tariffs. So the steel tariffs are actually cutting American manufacturing, right. The due process stuff. They say they can't bring a Garcia back. Well now they brought him back. So you know this administration keeps sort of having... it kind of can't get itself together." She added, "And so it does things like this which ultimately end up having tons of unintended consequences." Jong-Fast then suggested voters could turn on the GOP over the backfires." Trump put on notice over 'tons of unintended consequences' from his latest moves He seems irrational and extremely unpredictable. Lots of what he does has resulted in court action against what he is doing. A court just ruled against him prohibiting foreign students from attending Harvard University.

Nature emits far more CO2 gas into the atmosphere than mankind. Look at all the forest fires burning. Each one is emitting a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere. There are at least 100 fires burning in CAnada. I wouldn't lose any sleep over CO2 emissions. CO2 is a normal part of the environment contrary to what radical environmentalists say. There is no "climate emergency". That is all nonsense.

No, I didn't vote lieberal. I have been a conservative for 33 years and supported them financially as well. I also didn't just talk the talk; I walked the walk for the Conservative party over the years, working for them, holding positions and putting in a lot of time and effort. I have done more than my share.

It looks like Carney doesn't want to remove the C69 law, the no more pipeline law. Also, if a province like the BC NDP opposes a pipeline and they do oppose it, he won't allow it to be built even if it is in the national interest. He will give a real boost to Alberta separatism. He doesn't know what the job of a PM and federal government is.

The biggest problem is the Liberals themselves. PM Carney made no announcement yet to abolish the no-more-pipeline law, C69. He made no announcement to abolish the tanker ban on the B.C. north coast. No promise to do what he can to build pipelines east and west in Canada to get our huge oil reserves onto the international markets. Carney may be planning to just continue Trudeau's anti energy policies with caps on the energy industry, regulations to force the energy industry to spend billions of dollars to de-carbonize, and keep carbon taxes on industry. We will see how Carney's government does to get our energy industry going in the next couple years. Also, does Carney have a clear plan to eliminate all the hurdles to developing our natural resources and get projects going? We will see. Many FNs chiefs are already squawking against speeding things up. I also have a feeling that Liberals are big fans of so-called "social licence" to approve any project. This is also something the Premier of Quebec talked about. What a dumb belief. Social licence means do nothing if enough ignorant people oppose a project or projects. How can a country prosper when millions of people follow Greta Thunberg and think they know what is best for Canada? Nothing will get done if that is how politicians operate. This is the kind of thinking I believe is taught in public schools now, that is, Mother Earth worship.

The reason pipeline construction companies are not anxious to build in Canada because of the all the hurdles that make it almost impossible to build. There are so many roadblocks including the application process, studies, hearings, dealing with all the opposition groups such as environmentalists, and FN groups. Some provinces like Quebec and B.C. oppose pipelines and fight against them. The federal regulations, decarbonization regulations, caps, and carbon taxes also discourage companies from doing anything. If the federal government does not change the regulations and get rid of C69 and the tanker ban, there may be no new pipeline to the B.C. coast. Canada lost tens of billions of dollars in revenue and taxes under Trudeau's ban on pipelines. Not sure if Carney will change anything.

You show your total ignorance on this topic. Many illegal migrants were just fleeing from a dire situation in the countries they came from. Poverty, violence, and gangs are common. People are also threatened by gangs. So many of these people were just trying to find a safe place for them and their families. You would do the same thing in their situation. That's why your comments show you just don't understand the situation of many of these people. If you are a Christian, you should show it with a little more empathy and love for downtrodden and desperate people.

Only a simpleton thinks like that. There are lots of extenuating factors. Every case is different. There are laws and courts and human rights that play into it.

I hope you remember your words when the government does something unfair to you. Maybe the Canada Revenue Agency fines you for something you didn't do or maybe the RCMP arrests you for a crime you didn't commit. Then we will see how you oppose due process won't we.

You are lying. "On April 10, 2025, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled, without dissent,[c] that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal.[19] The court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Supreme Court justice Sonia Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene." Many people have been apprehended and deported to the notorious prison in El Salvador without any trial or due process. That is a simple fact.

" Matthew 7:16-23 King James Version 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." The issue is really quite simple, but you can't seem to understand. Deporting people without due process is against human rights and sending people to a notorious prison of torture and death is even worse. Alleging people are gang members when it is questionable or unproven and then sending them to a notorious foreign prison in defiance of court orders is horrendous, as in the case of Abrego Garcia. It defies logic as to why you would find all that acceptable.

Quite a number of migrants have been sent to the notorious CECOT prison in El Salvador, where many people have died due to inhumane conditions. It is a place of systematic torture where people die even though they were not sentenced to death by any court. The Trump administration pays El Salvador six million dollars a year to put migrants in this place. " Terrorism Confinement Center [edit] Main article: Terrorism Confinement Center Salvadoran justice minister Gustavo Villatoro (left) and U.S. homeland security secretary Kristi Noem (right) observing inmates inside a cell in CECOT, March 2025 Prisoners are held in large concrete cells that the Associated Press reports can house 65 to 70 individuals, but in videos lack enough bunks for everyone.[92] The BBC reports that with access severely restricted and journalists only allowed on choreographed tours, the number of inmates per cell is not clear, that some rights groups put it at 80 while others say it can go above 150, and that when asked, the prison's director responded "where you can fit 10 people, you can fit 20."[93] The cells are furnished with four-story bunks of bare metal without mattresses or sheets, two toilets, two sinks[94] (reported by CNN as a cement basin and plastic bucket for washing, and a jug of drinking water)[95] and two Bibles.[96] The cells are artificially lit 24 hours a day[96] and the temperature can reach 35 °C (95 °F) in daytime.[94] Prisoners are allowed to leave their cells for 30 minutes a day for group exercise in the hallway.[93][94] There are no visits, letters,[97] workshops, or prison educational programs, and prisoners are not allowed outside.[92] Food is served without utensils, to keep them from being fashioned into weapons.[94] Occasionally, prisoners who have gained a level of trust give motivational talks,[92] which CNN reported as Bible readings during the hallway half-hour.[97] CNN said two sources told it the deportees' situation is less regimented, but with the same facilities. The prison director said of the deportees, "there are no privileges."[95] El Salvador's Minister of Justice has said those held at CECOT would never return to their communities,[92] and the BBC in 2024 cited Miguel Sarre, formerly of the United Nations Subcommittee for the Prevention of Torture, as warning that CECOT appeared to be used "to dispose of people without formally applying the death penalty," referring to the fact that no-one had so far been released from the jail. Cristosal [es], which the BBC described as El Salvador's primary human rights organization, has documented torture and more than 150 deaths in custody in the country during the ongoing state of exception. Amnesty International has accused Salvadoran authorities of "a systematic policy of torture towards all those detained under the state of emergency on suspicion of being gang members," leading to deaths in custody, and of other prisoners dying due to inhumane conditions and denial of medical care and medicine.[94] Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia - Wikipedia

quote Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia[a][b] is a Salvadoran who was illegally[9] deported from the United States on March 15, 2025, in what the Trump administration called "an administrative error".[10] He was imprisoned without trial in the Salvadoran maximum security Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT), despite never having been charged with nor convicted of a crime in either country,[11][12] under the countries' agreement[13] to imprison U.S. deportees there for payment.[14] The administration has since defended the deportation, publicly accusing him of being a member of MS-13 (a U.S.-designated terrorist organization), an accusation based on a bail determination made during a 2019 immigration court proceeding, which Abrego Garcia contested.[15] Abrego Garcia grew up in El Salvador and then illegally immigrated to the United States in 2011 at the age of 16 to escape gang threats. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him withholding of removal status due to the danger he faced from gang violence if he returned to El Salvador. This status allowed him to live and work legally in the United States. At the time of his deportation in 2025, he lived in Maryland along with his wife and children, all American citizens, and was complying with annual check-ins with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).[16] On April 10, 2025, the Supreme Court of the United States ruled, without dissent,[c] that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador was illegal.[19] The court rejected the administration's defense, which claimed it lacked the legal authority to exercise jurisdiction over El Salvador and secure his return. Supreme Court justice Sonia Sotomayor noted that this argument implied the government "could deport and incarcerate any person, including U.S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene." The Supreme Court required the U.S. to "facilitate" Abrego Garcia's release, but stopped short of a lower court's directive to both "facilitate and effectuate" his return, instead directing the lower court to clarify what it meant by "effectuate".[20] The administration interpreted "facilitate" to mean it is not obligated to arrange his release and return,[21] and can meet its obligation by admitting him into the U.S.[21] and providing a plane[22] if El Salvador chooses to release him, which President Nayib Bukele of El Salvador refuses to do. Bukele stated in an Oval Office meeting that he would not "smuggle a terrorist into the United States".[23] The case regarding facilitating Abrego Garcia's return continues to be litigated in district court. The government has argued that the case involves state secrets, and refused various discovery requests on that basis.[24] U.S. senator Chris Van Hollen met Abrego Garcia in El Salvador on April 18, 2025. Abrego Garcia said he had been transferred from CECOT to another prison in El Salvador, and he is being held in isolation.[25] unquote Deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia - Wikipedia

Nonsense. There are enough examples of the Trump administration outright ignoring court orders to show this is a lawless administration. This short ten minute video talks about some of that. Bing Videos

This is mentioned in a news article I posted earlier on here. Guess you never read it. "After Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 in March and prepared to fly planeloads of accused gang members to El Salvador and out of the jurisdiction of U.S. courts, Boasberg ordered them to turn the planes around. This demand was ignored. Boasberg has found probable cause that the administration committed contempt of court after the flight landed. El Salvador President Nayib Bukele posted a taunting message on social media — reposted by some of Trump's top aides — that read “Oopsie, too late.” Name one. "Trump confronted for defiance of court orders across series of cases The Trump administration is ramping up its feud with the judiciary even as the courts fire back, accusing the executive branch of defying court orders. On Tuesday, a federal judge in Maryland admonished Justice Department lawyers for failing to provide meaningful updates on their effort to secure the return of a man mistakenly deported to El Salvdaor. On Wednesday, a federal judge in D.C. found probable cause that the administration had willfully disobeyed his order to halt or turn around flights carrying some 200 men to a Salvadoran prison. The same day, a watchdog group accused Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director John Ratcliffe of defying a judge’s order to preserve communications in a now-infamous Signal group chat used to share sensitive military information. And on Friday, another judge paused mass layoffs at the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) over concerns they ran afoul of her previous order. Experts say the unusual moves signal an administration willing to be more combative with the courts — and that they raise concerns about whether the dynamic will escalate over the rest of President Trump’s term. “What you’re witnessing is a kind of adversarial stance that is unusual for government lawyers to take,” said Rebecca Roiphe, a former federal prosecutor now teaching legal ethics at New York Law School." Trump confronted for defiance of court orders across series of cases

In Canada, there is a process whereby migrants may appeal deportation. According to this news report, Trump just ignored due processes and deported many people. Also, many were sent to a notorious prison in El Salvador, under the allegation that they were gang members, even though this has been strongly disputed by many. quote WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that the Trump administration must give more than 100 migrants sent to a notorious prison in El Salvador a chance to challenge their deportations. U.S. District Court Chief Judge James Boasberg said that people who were sent to the prison in March under an 18th-century wartime law haven’t been able to formally contest the removals or allegations that they are members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua. He ordered the administration to work toward giving them a way to file those challenges. The judge wrote that “significant evidence” has surfaced indicating that many of the migrants imprisoned in El Salvador are not connected to the gang “and thus languish in a foreign prison on flimsy, even frivolous, accusations.” Boasberg gave the administration one week to come up with a manner in which the "at least 137" people can make those claims, even while they're formally in the custody of El Salvador. It's the latest milestone in the monthslong legal saga over the fate of deportees imprisoned at El Salvador’s notorious Terrorism Confinement Center. After Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 in March and prepared to fly planeloads of accused gang members to El Salvador and out of the jurisdiction of U.S. courts, Boasberg ordered them to turn the planes around. This demand was ignored. Boasberg has found probable cause that the administration committed contempt of court after the flight landed. El Salvador President Nayib Bukele posted a taunting message on social media — reposted by some of Trump's top aides — that read “Oopsie, too late.” The U.S. Supreme Court later ruled that anyone targeted under the AEA has the right to appeal to a judge to contest their designation as an enemy of the state. Boasberg, in his latest, ruling wrote that he was simply applying that principle to those who'd been removed. Boasberg said the administration “plainly deprived” the immigrants of a chance to challenge their removals before they were put on flights. Therefore, he says the government must handle the migrants cases now as if they “would have been if the Government had not provided constitutionally inadequate process.” The Department of Justice did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The administration and its supporters have targeted Boasberg for his initial order halting deportations and his contempt inquiry, part of their growing battle with the judiciary as it puts the brakes on Trump's efforts to unilaterally remake government. The fight has been particularly harsh in the realm of immigration, where Trump has repeatedly said it'd be impossible to protect the country from dangerous immigrants if each one has his or her day in court." Judge says migrants sent to El Salvador prison must get a chance to challenge their removals Also, the right to deport migrants apparently, according to an article I saw, becomes weaker the longer a migrant has been in the country. If they have a wife and children who were born in the U.S. for example and have established themselves in a trade or career and years have passed, the argument to deport them becomes weaker also. There is no simple rule such as Trump digging up some 200 year old Alien Enemies Act and using that as justification to deport any migrant. Trump has also been ignoring court rulings.

No, that's not how it works. There is a justice system, laws and processes that must be followed and everyone has the right to the due process. You sound like you don't believe in a legal framework with rights and due process for everyone. I have a surprise for you. Due process is how it works in Canada. What is going on the U.S. would never happen in Canada under our system. I corresponded with a cabinet Minister, possibly the federal Minister of Justice, a long time ago about a case and I was told everyone has the right to appeal and follow the due process before they are deported. That is exactly what he told me.