blackbird

So you just can't answer the questions proving you don't know what you're talking about on immigration. You obviously don't believe immigration should be tightly controlled and people screened for the benefit and protection of Canada. You believe in a free-for-all falsely claiming the Bible defends it. You are the one that said "And now, you want to keep out homeless needy refugees... and hiding behind some sort of "bad for the country" bush LOL" The world is full of "homeless needy refugees". You make it sound like Canada should just open its doors and let the rest of the world come in without any controls and you use the Bible to try to support that silly claim. You don't understand Canada cannot solve the poverty situation of the world. Poverty is a reality that always existed and taking taxpayer's money by force to redistribute it is evil Socialism. It is stealing. Therefore it is not the right of government to impose Socialism. "thou shalt not steal". Liberals are evil Socialists. Canada does do a certain amount of immigration, but every country has the responsibility to protect its own citizens first and not destroy the country with uncontrolled immigration. I will make it clear; I believe Canada has a duty to carefully control immigration. I believe that is biblical. I believe in some immigration as long as people are properly screened and the harmful people are kept out of Canada. Immigrants that can assimilate, and can contribute to Canada should be given the main priority. Then I would agree to allow a certain number of refugees and relatives as long as they are not a risk to Canada and are properly screened. But this is a particularly difficult issue to resolve because of the problems associated with it. I don't have all the answers. The priority must be the protection of society and law and order. Law and order is a Biblical principle and evil doers do not have the same rights as law-abiding people. This is where liberals and left fail. There are hell holes in the world that are full of bad characters. Places such as Haiti that are controlled by armed gangs. Yet how many immigrants did Canada bring in from Haiti in the last 50 years and how much gun crime around Toronto is done by offspring of Haiti immigrants? Those figures are not revealed because that would be considered "racist". Another hell hole is the middle east which is full of Muslims whose beliefs are contrary to western values and beliefs. A percentage are terrorist supporters as well. The west has tried to keep Muslims from taking over the west for 1,500 years for good reason, but in the last 50 years liberals have changed that and are now not bothering to protect the west. They operate under the false ideology of multiculturalism believing it is good. This is leading to all kinds of problems, divisions, and strife in many places. Mexico, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, and various other countries are also full of lawless and risky people and extremists.

Not every foreign culture or religion fits into Canadian society. What you claim is false. There is nothing racist about wanting a country made up of people that share the same values and culture. Some of these immigrants are only interested in fighting for their causes in the places they came from. How is that assimilation in any way?

Just wondering then... what number of immigrants should Canada take in per year? Do you believe that no immigrants are bad for the country? Is there no maximum number that should be allowed in? Should immigrants be categorized as to whether they can support themselves and their families or whether they must be supported by the government? Is that important? Does the government have the right to screen immigrants on various categories? Would some be good for the country and some bad? Or do you believe immigrants should not be screened? Should numbers be limited?

Are you saying that other religions are just as valid as Christianity or the Bible? Is there some religion that you believe is correct?

That's a falsehood at the least. I express my opinion; you express yours. You choose to disagree with me, call me a Bible thumper (which is fine. I take it as a complement) but you see it as being "pushy". We all have our vocabulary on here and by your definition, quoting the Bible is being "pushy" when it isn't. It is simply speaking truth because the Bible is truth. It also depends how you take it. You may be taking it as an insult when in fact it is correction. I have periodically quoted verses in Psalms and Proverbs that teach that those that receive wisdom (word of God) are wise and those who reject wisdom (word of God) are fools. So if one rejects quotes from the Bible in a general sense, what category does that put them in? Also, anyone is free to reply and explain why such and such a quote does not apply in a particular situation or a particular individual.

Trying to discuss something like this subject with someone like that is futile from what I've observed. Perhaps the best solution is just to humour him a little. I know it's difficult. I hate to say it, but I think you guys are wasting your time trying to reason with him.

Why? Because I don't believe in open borders and mass immigration from the third world. Protecting one's country from third world aliens who have completely different beliefs than Canadians is not contrary to the Bible. It is love for Canada and Canadians. Destroying Canada with the wrong kind of immigration is not love. You take a different view and seem to believe Canada should let in anybody from anywhere and a vast number of them. We will have to just agree to disagree. Sovereign countries have a right to protect their country from people who would cause harm or have a negative effect on it. Some countries allow very few immigrants and only certain people are allowed to come in.

What you mean by that is I must agree with you and your beliefs and not say anything against it. That is not how love works. According to you it has to be one way, your way. It is ok for you to falsely accuse but if I speak back and call you out, it's not love. There is such a thing as love. But on a debating forum, people disagree. You often called me names. If you think you know what love is, you don't show it. I think if you were to compare the times you called me names and insulted me as opposed to the number of times I did, you would you win the race for insults and name calling. I generally have avoided name-calling as much as possible on the forum. I do quote the Bible which is a proper thing to do and is applicable in cases where I do. Name calling, no, I don't indulge in that except perhaps on rare occasions. You now claim you don't disagree with the Bible. Hate to have to tell you but if you disagree with everything I say from the Bible or based on the Bible, it is hard to believe you don't disagree with the Bible. If you really believe it, you need to confess your faith and stop trying to silence me and keep me from quoting it. Telling someone they shouldn't be quoting it or calling them a Bible thumper repeatedly doesn't really show you believe it.

Is that the only word you know?

That has nothing to do with immigration to Canada. If the government brings in 100,000 migrants or immigrants that can't support themselves, then Canadian taxpayers end up supporting them as has been done often. It requires millions of dollars of taxpayer money to support immigrants if they are unable to support themselves. You are mixing up and trying to use verses that have nothing to do with immigration. When government uses taxpayer money to support vast numbers of immigrants that arrive here, that is Socialism, not charity. Charity is an individual thing when people voluntarily help someone or give to a charitable cause. When government just takes taxpayer money (by force) and re-distributes it to support massive immigration that is forced wealth redistribution or a form of Socialism (social assistance). It is not voluntary charitable giving. How do you see those verses as having anything to do with immigration and taxpayer funded support of immigrants?

What a farcical comment you make. Everyone knows you hate Bible believers - Christians. You have made lots of comments proving your hatred of the Bible and Christianity. You only quote the Bible when you think you can use it against a Bible believer because that is your main goal. You love to be an accuser of Bible believers. That is your interpretation of the Bible and you think it applies to your Socialist beliefs, which is a lie. It cannot be used to support Communism or Socialism. In all your insulting and accusatory comments to me and rebuking me for preaching the Bible, you prove you don't believe the Bible at all. So how is it you are suddenly preaching to love your enemies etc.? That is pure hyprocrisy. Everyone knows you don't believe the Bible to begin with. You only cherry pick something that you think you can use to throw dirt with. It's pure fakery.

Canada spends billions of dollars of taxpayer money on the rest of the world. Every country has the right to protect itself from excessive immigration. Sounds like you don't believe in immigration controls and think that Canada belongs to the rest of the world. So we should just open the flood gates and forget about the well-being of Canadians. You are a good NDP-Liberal type because that is what they believe. They believe Canada is a post-national state. We are no longer a sovereign country and no longer have a right to protect our own country from the like of foreign criminals and terrorists. No, Liberals and NDP can't even protect our country from a housing crisis because liberals and left don't care about Canadians. They only want to bring in more votes for themselves. That's what it is all about. Votes. As for helping the needy, that is an individual responsibility. Nothing stopping you from donating to charitable organizations to help the needy. Using taxpayer money and immigration is Socialism or Communism which is robbing Peter to pay Paul. It is not charity. It is theft. Just because Canada has more prosperity than many other countries doesn't mean Canada has to open its border to the rest of world and swamp Canada with foreigners who are hostile to our traditional values and culture. Where did you come from that makes you think our country of Canada belongs to the rest of the world? Must be some kind of Communist/Socialist ideologue.

There are tons of reasons to be opposed to Trudeau, not just his leanings toward Cuba and China in the past. "Canadian government officials, such as Foreign Minister Mélanie Joly, regularly accept Hamas’s accusations that Israel is targeting civilians as accurate news that’s worthy of repeating. And when evidence proves those accounts to be biased or outright lies — as in the case of the many civilian deaths in a camp near Rafah, which appear to have been caused by exploding munitions hidden in the area and not the Israeli airstrike itself — Joly does not retract her accusations. One might also note that neither she nor our prime minister has ever declared unequivocal support for Israel’s right to respond to the October 7 attack and defend itself against the ongoing existential threat of Hamas, a declared genocidal, and inhumane, terrorist organization operating next door to it." Letters: Political leaders are giving Canadians a license to hate (msn.com) Canada is in a mess now and a cost-of-living crisis for millions of Canadians.

PP and the Conservatives voted for it probably because it makes sense to do so. The unions are a significant voting base and the Conservatives know they must get their support to win the election. Ordinary working people are really the people the Conservatives must win over these days so it makes sense. The idea the conservatives only favour business has been false for a long time. There are also essential workers who must cross the picket line to keep essential services going, such as power companies, telephone companies, hospitals, etc. This should not affect essential workers.

For a start, I would change the immigration system and would not bring in all the people from the third world whose beliefs and culture are totally contrary to our historic culture. It is destroying Canada.

Christianity is the only religion that stands clearly and strongly for the sanctity of human life. It is opposition to the killing of unborn babies, and assisted suicide. These things are killing a lot of people in Canada. Christianity is a strong defender of law and order. Liberalism is a disaster for society as criminals are constantly caught and immediately released on bail. Dangerous offenders are constantly being released on bail. Four dangerous offenders escaped this year from a healing lodge in Edmonton putting society in serious danger.

The influence of Christianity on society over time is a very positive influence. I wouldn't call it "religious supremacism" but that's your choice. You are trying to paint something good as a negative influence. Many of our laws and system of government are rooted in Judeo-Christianity Christian teachings for example say sex should be reserved for within marriage between men and women. The foundation of a stable family is a father and mother. I think outside that you have anarchy. Sex between unmarried young people can have disastrous consequences. You have children that have no father in a large proportion of America for example. This means the family has no husband and father. You have to admit this is not good for the children involved. Women have to struggle to try to earn a living as well as raise the child or children. That is difficult. Kids get involved in trouble and many end up in prison or drugs and crime. That is just one subject of many. Honest dealings between people are a part of Christian teaching. Individual charity is another quality promoted. Helping the poor and underprivileged.

I see. That clarifies it. Thanks.

There is a difference. Biblical Christianity it the absolute truth. All other religious beliefs are false.

"7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. " Proverbs 1:7

" 1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. {ungodly: or, wicked} 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. {wither: Heb. fade} 4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. " Psalm 1 KJV

No, but I thought the topic here was about whether Pierre Poilievre was un-Canadian. Am I wrong? Incidentally both Trudeaus seemed to have a particular interest for Castro and China. It is not a common Canadian trait.

Never heard Bible belief or Christianity described as "supreme". It sounds like it is meant more like a slur of some kind. The Bible is not an invention of men as some believe. It is a revelation from God to man given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It is truth. The word "supreme" is a misnomer. Using the word "supreme" sounds like it is meant to paint it as an invention of men to rule over people. That is false. God is sovereign and what he says in his word is absolutely true. If the King James Bible is studied properly and understood, at the least the central teachings understood, and it is compared with other religions, it will be seen to be true and the others false. I say the King James Bible (1611) because all the modern Bibles can be proven to be corrupt. They are based on corrupt manuscripts. The KJV is the only Bible, in English, based on the Received Text. I would recommend you take the time to study it and learn the central teachings. That might help to clear up some misunderstandings. The internet has countless websites that would help with that. There is a difference between truth and error or true and false. I wouldn't describe it as supreme. That kind of word seems to give other religions some legitimacy which is not deserved. The Bible is not just another religion. The world is full of false religions.

If anybody was "untypical" Canadian I would say it was PM Pierre Trudeau and his son, PM Justin Trudeau, who both seemed to love Communist leaders like Castro. PM Pierre Trudeau was the leader of the first country to establish diplomatic relations with Communist China in 1970 when Chairman Mao was in power. Both Trudeaus squandered taxpayer money like it grew on trees. They both seemed to oppose support for NATO. Both Trudeaus won power with large support from their home province of Quebec. This was not the greatest choice to make for Canada as we have seen and demonstrates a glaring weakness in the democratic system.

The worst thing Hamas did besides murdering 1,200 Israeli citizens on Oct. 7th, was to take aprox 230 or 250 hostages and then start killing them. The Oct. 7th attack was an extremely inhumane thing to do and proved Hamas are nothing more than savages. What did they accomplish? For some strange reason, they got a lot of sympathy from the world's reprobate countries and populations. But that is worthless. They destroyed Gaza in the process. On Oct. 6th there was no war going on. Hamas made their choice.