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Ask it and they will come.

Why do you have time for tangents that, while they talk about science, they don't address the science involved surrounding the events of 911? Nero fiddled while Rome burned. How did US, military scientist invented, US patented, non-commercially available nanothermite come to be at WTC on 9-11-2001? A material that CAN produce the temperatures that were needed to melt the steel, Mo, vaporize the lead, vaporize the steel.

Wilber, twice you have said that you are going to flee and now you are back, AGAIN. Making all sorts of silly sounds about science. Do you want to try again, Wilber? Ot will you run away again?

What a ludicrous argument!. Advancing a lie for which you have zero proof. A child wouldn't make such a silly argument. But you are. We aren't talking about history, we are talking about science. That you unscientific folks want to make it personal illustrates just how desperate you are. You know the deep deep evil that this has caused and here you are, defending the equivalent of the Holocaust. The science that Professor Leroy Hulsey is doing at UofA-F. The science that says NIST's investigation is a fraud. The science that other scientists have done that that NIST won't even look at. The lies and the cover ups of NIST and you folks keep defending the deep evil.

Betsy, you are the one that brought the videos, and the Trump interview.

Please do explain, Betsy.

There were explosives where ever explosives were needed. Had it been a real gravity collapse, the top sections would not have been turned into powder before they even contacted the lower, much much stronger section. There would have been jolts, following Newton's Conservation of Momentum. Do you find it strange that the "scientific paper" that the whole US government official conspiracy theory is based on was first published on September 13, 2001, when the WTC dust was still floating around in the air. A "scientific paper" that is totally at odds with Newtonian physics? Just look at the way WTC7 collapsed - free fall. Not possible without a controlled demolition. CD at WTC 7 means the same at the other two.

The US government official conspiracy theory says no bombs, no explosives, no explosions despite reporters, firemen, first responders describing those, videos of explosives going off. Firemen's testimony to a secret NY city "commission" describing the explosions. Residues of high grade US military, Lawrence Livermore Labs developed, US patented 1996/97 nanothermite, built from the atomic scale up, not your average everyday thermite where the materials are ground down to fine powders, found in WTC dust. How did it get there, Betsy?

Matthew "there's a god damn commie under my bed I tell you" Fisher?

I've noticed that you don't follow a lot of things, Betsy. Trump stated that when he had had zero information about any conspiracy.

That's what you said last time, Wilber. How does a 47 storey office tower fall all of a sudden at free fall speed for the first 2.5 seconds, 105 feet, 8 floors when the same structural steel had held it up since 1987? Did the steel wear out instantaneously?

B_C was the person who provided the quoted material. I strongly suspect that you know what quotes mean. Do you know that Trump believes explosives were used on the twin towers? Do you think that he is a "conspiracy theorist"?

So patently dishonest. So shameful. And yet no shame.

I'm willing to dance with you for a wee bit, Wilber, which will show that you are the one who refused to answer the salient questions.

I provided many sources, many different sources, many different news sources, which you seemed incapable of reading or comprehending. You have provided no sources whatsoever. Now I can understand that you have a great deal emotionally invested in this, but exactly that and the complete abscence of you providing any sources is very telling. You maligning people is highly illustrative of just how deep your emotional investment is. Your absolute refusal to look at the science is also very telling. The scientists who went to WTC with FEMA, the ones who described the absolutely impossible molten/vaporized steel [4,000+F] are not conspiracy theorists. The RJ Lee Group, who described vaporized lead [3,180F], molybdenum [4,700F], molten iron [2,800F] are not "conspiracy theorists". http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/ The thousands of scientists, architects, engineers, lawyers, scholars, firemen, ... are not "conspiracy theorists". The scientists who independently discovered active thermitic material in the WTC dust, not to mention others after them who back their findings, are not "conspiracy theorists". Niels H. Harrit*,1, Jeffrey Farrer2 , Steven E. Jones*,3, Kevin R. Ryan4 , Frank M. Legge5 , Daniel Farnsworth2 , Gregg Roberts6 , James R. Gourley7 and Bradley R. Larsen3 1 Department of Chemistry, University of Copenhagen, Denmark 2 Department of Physics and Astronomy, Brigham Young University, Provo, UT 84602, USA 3 S&J Scientific Co., Provo, UT, 84606, USA 4 9/11 Working Group of Bloomington, Bloomington, IN 47401, USA 5 Logical Systems Consulting, Perth, Western Australia 6 Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, Berkeley, CA 94704, USA 7 International Center for 9/11 Studies, Dallas, TX 75231, USA https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf They haven't been fired from their positions. The real "loons" are the ones who won't address the science, and most telling in this present situation, the ones who can't even provide their own sources, or read and understand those provided by others.

Are you satisfied with this, happy about this, people writing about such evil and basically, glorifying it? "What to do ? Business as usual of course, because Canada and Canadian PMs are no strangers to their own war crimes."

What did Trudeau ask for and why are you 180 degrees ignoring my question?

What did you "Oops, del.eted", Wilber. Have you hit the wall?

The 911 Omission Comission ============= Indeed, the omissions are so numerous they could fill a book, and do -- David Griffin's 339-page Omissions and Distortions. Here we list only some of the more egregious omissions, falsehoods, and contradictions in the Report. In the following we use 'Report' to refer to the entire Report including the Notes section. Omissions The Report fails to acknowledge that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires. The Report fails to mention the total collapse of 47-story steel-framed skyscraper Building 7 at 5:20 on the day of the attack. The Report contains no mention of the interview in which the owner of Building 7 states that he and the Fire Department decided to "pull" Building 7 -- an apparent admission of a conspiracy to destroy the building and its contents. The Report fails to mention the rapid removal and recycling of the structural steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings, even to make excuses for it. The Report makes no mention of a statement by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to Peter Jennings indicating he had foreknowledge of the collapses: "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building." The Report contains no mentions of eyewitness accounts of explosions preceding the collapse of South Towers. The Report fails to mention that George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principals in the company that had the contract to provide security for the World Trade Center, Stratesec, nor does it mention the company. The Report makes no mention of the fact that a new lessor took control of the World Trade Center complex just six weeks before the attack, obtained an insurance policy covering terrorist attacks, and successfully sued the insurance companies to obtain twice the multi-billion-dollar value of the policy. The Report repeats the list of 19 suspects identified by the FBI within days of the attack, while failing to mention that six of them reported themselves alive after the attack. The Report fails to mention any of the reports of behavior by the alleged hijackers before the attack that belie the official story that they were devout Muslims on a suicide mission for Allah. The Report fails to mention that the published passenger lists contained no Arab names -- a fact publicized by skeptics of the official story. The Report fails to ask why the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was not stopped by anti-aircraft missile batteries that presumably ring the building. The Report fails to mention that no credible footage of the Pentagon attack has been made public, despite public knowledge that the FBI seized footage of the attack from nearby businesses. The Report does not ask why the Secret Service did not obtain air cover for the President's motorcade from the Sarasota school to the airport, nor for Air Force One, which took off at about 9:54, until about 11:10. The Report avoids mentioning several reports that government officials and business leaders received warnings and avoided targets of the attacks, including: A warning by the FBI advising Attorney General John Ashcroft to avoid flying on commercial airlines. The report that Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans the evening before the attack. A warning to San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to avoid flying. The grounding of Salman Rushdie by Scotland Yard. The Report avoids mentioning a warning received by employees of Odigo hours before the attack. The Report does not mention that letters with weaponized anthrax were sent to the two most powerful senators attempting to slow the passage of the 9/11/01 attack-predicated USA PATRIOT Act. The Report states that the Commission was "chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks," but fails to mention that it makes no attempt to meet its charter. Indeed, the omissions are so numerous they could fill a book, and do -- David Griffin's 339-page Omissions and Distortions. Here we list only some of the more egregious omissions, falsehoods, and contradictions in the Report. In the following we use 'Report' to refer to the entire Report including the Notes section. Omissions The Report fails to acknowledge that no steel-framed high-rise building has ever collapsed due to fires. The Report fails to mention the total collapse of 47-story steel-framed skyscraper Building 7 at 5:20 on the day of the attack. The Report contains no mention of the interview in which the owner of Building 7 states that he and the Fire Department decided to "pull" Building 7 -- an apparent admission of a conspiracy to destroy the building and its contents. The Report fails to mention the rapid removal and recycling of the structural steel from the collapsed World Trade Center buildings, even to make excuses for it. The Report makes no mention of a statement by then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to Peter Jennings indicating he had foreknowledge of the collapses: "We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building." The Report contains no mentions of eyewitness accounts of explosions preceding the collapse of South Towers. The Report fails to mention that George W. Bush's brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principals in the company that had the contract to provide security for the World Trade Center, Stratesec, nor does it mention the company. The Report makes no mention of the fact that a new lessor took control of the World Trade Center complex just six weeks before the attack, obtained an insurance policy covering terrorist attacks, and successfully sued the insurance companies to obtain twice the multi-billion-dollar value of the policy. The Report repeats the list of 19 suspects identified by the FBI within days of the attack, while failing to mention that six of them reported themselves alive after the attack. The Report fails to mention any of the reports of behavior by the alleged hijackers before the attack that belie the official story that they were devout Muslims on a suicide mission for Allah. The Report fails to mention that the published passenger lists contained no Arab names -- a fact publicized by skeptics of the official story. The Report fails to ask why the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was not stopped by anti-aircraft missile batteries that presumably ring the building. The Report fails to mention that no credible footage of the Pentagon attack has been made public, despite public knowledge that the FBI seized footage of the attack from nearby businesses. The Report does not ask why the Secret Service did not obtain air cover for the President's motorcade from the Sarasota school to the airport, nor for Air Force One, which took off at about 9:54, until about 11:10. The Report avoids mentioning several reports that government officials and business leaders received warnings and avoided targets of the attacks, including: A warning by the FBI advising Attorney General John Ashcroft to avoid flying on commercial airlines. The report that Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans the evening before the attack. A warning to San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to avoid flying. The grounding of Salman Rushdie by Scotland Yard. The Report avoids mentioning a warning received by employees of Odigo hours before the attack. The Report does not mention that letters with weaponized anthrax were sent to the two most powerful senators attempting to slow the passage of the 9/11/01 attack-predicated USA PATRIOT Act. The Report states that the Commission was "chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks," but fails to mention that it makes no attempt to meet its charter. http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html

Genocide is genocide.

Each of your posts get more and more desperate. It is being funded by individuals from all over the world who support the work of professional architects, engineers, scientists, scholars of all kinds. What are your credentials?

"heat", yes indeed, heat that reached thousands of degrees above the melting point of steel, a heat that had no legal/legitimate reason for being there. A heat that was provided by nanothermite, which the alleged hijackers had no access to, it being a US developed [Lawrence Livermore Lab] in the 1990s, US patented, non-commercially available, high grade US military explosive.

I told you you are misinformed or a prevaricator. The initial post in the thread stated" the lead professor/engineer said,". The post right before your illustration of how you are misinformed or a prevaricator says, "Professor". Anyone who tries to fake that he/she has some credentials and knowledge should at least be informed enough to know who is doing the study, so that he/she doesn't look so misinformed or a prevaricator.

1. What are the temperatures reached in a blast furnace? Wilber: Did anyone dump 10,000 gallons of jet fuel on those fires that lasted 15-23 hrs? If not, the comparison is meaningless. hot enough: I'm pretty sure that's not what I asked you, but please do explain why the comparison is meaningless, Wilber.

Your first sentence is a major prevarication or it illustrates just how poorly misinformed you are, Impact.