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No one spilled the beans about the Gulf of Tonkin lie until 20 or 30 years after and 3 million Vietnamese died, a million Cambodians, who knows how many Laotians. Consider how many knew about that lie? There are many other huge lies that have been covered up by what is a propagandist media, no different than that of Nazi Germany.

I don't have any phuckin' idea. But we could speculate on that for forever. The point is, it was brought down by explosives because it fell at free fall speed for the first 2.5 seconds, 105 feet, 8 floors. And NIST admitted that free fall had occurred.

Focus on the science. Science doesn't lie. What part of jet fuel/office furnishings are 3,000F short of vaporizing steel do you not understand? What would lead you to just wonder about that? Would it help to see NIST's number two scientist lying about molten metal, [actually all of NIST, denied the explosions too; did you watch the video?], stating that he was in the boneyards and he didn't see anything when there are pictures of him touching the end of a previously molten, vaporized steel beam?

You are so last century, Impact. Get up to date, will ya? There were lots of reasons advanced by the propagandist press and US official conspiracy shills for the intergranular melting. There was no legal reason for anything at WTC that could melt steel, let alone vaporize it. NIST was encouraged by many people to do studies. They never did because they knew where they would lead. Everything about the NIST study was the very antithesis of science. There are a lot of facts to be known in order to be a professional anything — lawyer, doctor, engineer, accountant, teacher. But with science there is one important difference. The facts serve mainly to access the ignorance… Scientists don’t concentrate on what they know, which is considerable but minuscule, but rather on what they don’t know…. Science traffics in ignorance, cultivates it, and is driven by it. Mucking about in the unknown is an adventure; doing it for a living is something most scientists consider a privilege. […] Working scientists don’t get bogged down in the factual swamp because they don’t care all that much for facts. It’s not that they discount or ignore them, but rather that they don’t see them as an end in themselves. They don’t stop at the facts; they begin there, right beyond the facts, where the facts run out. Facts are selected, by a process that is a kind of controlled neglect, for the questions they create, for the ignorance they point to. https://www.brainpickings.org/2012/04/02/stuart-firestein-ignorance-science/

News organizations on day one, were talking all about the explosions, the controlled demolition, the this can't just be because of the planes. Day two, and that was all over and the official conspiracy theory took over. Focus on the important things, the science. The molten metals tell the story. Look at these pictures, you don't even have to read anything. Jet fuel and office furnishings are 3,000F short of being able to do this. https://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf WTC7 fell at free fall speed. Impossible without a controlled demolition. Watch this about 6 minutes long, video, lots of people talking about the explosions, including media. WTC 7 - An Epic Fairy Tale

Your comma addition was dandy.

Actually, it is perfectly grammatical.

Not at all, oftenwrong. Yet two more of the oh so common illogical conclusions that are rife here.

Are you agreeing with my ungrammatical double does? More on this distinction you are trying to make later.

Consideration of what the country Israel does does not necessarily include antisemitism. Yet another of the way too common illogical conclusions that are made here all the time.

If they were there would have been a lot less support for the myriad war crimes of the US. Not that that would have stopped such a war mongering nation.

You are not aware of a lot of things.

Would being against South African apartheid have been anti-South African? Another of the way too common illogical conclusions that are made here all the time.

What high temperatures? I know that if you just keep repeating the official conspiracy theory, which you must admit is all theory, describing a crazy conspiracy then we can't do the science. The Fires' Severity How Intense and Extensive Were the Twin Towers' Fires? http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/fires/severity.html

Yes, it is very hard to imagine that. What would cause the sagging floor?

Doesn't molten aluminum appear silvery in daylight conditions?

PING PONG, I was right! "molten STEEL/IRON seen pouring out ... "

I think that Impact wants to make a case to explain the molten/vaporized steel found in the piles. My guess - lots of thermal energy buried, stewing for some time , presto, vaporized steel . Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California, Berkeley. He specializes in studying structural damage done by earthquakes and terrorist bombings. [CHRONICLE OF HIGHER EDUCATION, 12/7/2001; CBS Astaneh-Asl will describe the WTC as “the best-designed building I have ever seen.” [SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE, 10/22/2001]

Does this mean that you are in favor of Israel's apartheid policies? ================================= "Apartheid" isn't just a term of insult; it's a word with a very specific legal meaning, as defined by the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid, adopted by the U.N. General Assembly in 1973 and ratified by most United Nations member states (Israel and the United States are exceptions, to their shame). According to Article II of that convention, the term applies to acts "committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them." Denying those others the right to life and liberty, subjecting them to arbitrary arrest, expropriating their property, depriving them of the right to leave and return to their country or the right to freedom of movement and of residence, creating separate reserves and ghettos for the members of different racial groups, preventing mixed marriages — these are all examples of the crime of apartheid specifically mentioned in the convention. http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-makdisi-israel-apartheid-20140518-story.html

" American networks do not provide live coverage of Trudeau speeches in Canada." ================ American networks do not provide live or delayed coverage of anything except the US propaganda stream.

If he lied under oath, why not ? ============== These clowns take an oath to uphold and defend the constitution but they never have, not from the get go.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." - President Bill Clinton (under oath in federal court) One doesn't have to go far to find immoral or amoral behavior from any US president. Adolph would fit right in.

Precisely, too long, and you don't seem to know how to edit or choose material appropriate to the discussion at hand. I would still be interested in the section of PMs that relates to the initial points, and then the sources that discussed the molten metals.

That isn't true, dre. EDITED: I should have said "That isn't completely true, dre."

I quoted the whole thing, Betsy, to illustrate that you don't seem to know much about the topic as a whole. I know that it is exceedingly complex but your "rebuttal" is a mishmash of incongruent ideas. You start out quoting about the twin towers and immediately morph into WTC7. How are a few wildly ranging factoids any help at all to the discussion. Now you can see [I hope] why I didn't read PM's wildly ranging factoids.