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Yes, I figured you would be unable to comprehend what his concerns are. Not everyone has the mental capabilities to understand medical jargon. You just stick to the media headlines, Sparky. ?

This explains why so many doctors and nurses and scientists are alarmed. Sep-15-FINAL-PAYNE-CPSA-letter.pdf

Are they? The ones most likely to get sick are ones in the high-risk groups. And a few random others, just like the seasonal flu. But those random few are the only ones the media is telling you about. And 50% of the covid deaths in Manitoba are now amongst the vaxxed. Are you following what's going on in Israel? Why did they change the product description for the vaccine from "prevents" covid to "protects" from covid? Why? Because it doesn't prevent it and clearly does not prevent death from covid.

Yet the animal testing results, resulted in just this - infertility. And many women are experiencing reproductive issues after the shots. There is no long-term evidence for it causing infertility, and there is no long-term evidence that it doesn't cause infertility. It's experimental.

Oh, I agree. Misinformation is everywhere. The most common misinformation I see amongst pro-covid vaxxers is that you can catch covid from unvaxxed people. Totally false. You catch covid from people who have covid. Which can be from either vaxed or unvaxxed. More so from vaxxed people now. Still don't see any information on why with 80% of the population vaxxed, cases are still "skyrocketing". Or why so many people who are vaxxed are dying from covid. Or why it's okay for schools in Ontario to vax children without parental consent. You'll fight for toilet paper, but not your rights.

1. **Sigh** Look, I've done the research, I've read many doctors and scientists that are sounding the alarm over this vaccine. You won't even look at the one I've cited. Have you read the results of the animal trials? Because I have. Do you really think I'm going to waste my time going back through all my research and saved items so you can blow it all off and not even consider it? No, I'm not. I could give you a list of all them and it wouldn't mean anything to you. They aren't hard to find, if you get your nose out of the paid media's arse. Do your own work. 2. Are you insane or just really stupid? I've already shown you that 50% of those who died of covid recently in Manitoba are vaxxed, and I showed you that over a 3rd of those in AB in the last 120 days were also vaxxed. Look at Israel. How many more do you need to see before you admit the vaccine is only therapeutic, at best. Cases have skyrocketed because of relaxed public health measures? How does that work with 80% of Canadians vaxxed? How are our cases skyrocketing after the massive amounts of vaccines pumped out? You go in circles, bleating your canned media cliches - "Cases are skyrocketing!!! Skyrocketing!!!!!!!!!!" How can that be when so many are vaxxed? Why are so many vaxxed people dying of covid?" "They're dying because cases are skyrocketing!!!1 Skyrocketing!!!!!!!" Do you see how you make no sense?

Obviously, your choice was to not do any research before injecting yourself with an experimental vaccine. I've already mentioned one, but you paid no attention, so I doubt you'll give it any thought now. But in the interest of fair debate, I'll refresh your memory: The well-respected Dr/scientist that the Canadian government hired to check out the vaccine, who had to use the Freedom of Information Act to get the animal testing results from Pfizer because they wouldn't share them openly. What he saw appalled him and he raised the alarm, at which point our government decided that he was no longer well-respected - now he was a crackpot. It's the same animal testing that a lot of scientists are alarmed about. Getting back to my post , which you again ignored, Why do you think there are so many vaxxed people dying of covid? Why do you think our case numbers have skyrocketed AFTER 80% of Canadians are vaccinated? None of that alarms you? Makes you wonder? I feel part of it with you is the "fallacy of sunken costs" prevents you from seeing or thinking anything other than what the government, Big Pharma and the paid for media tell you to see and think.

First image is Manitoba ICU admissions from August 29-Sept. 4 showing 50% of those in ICU are vaxxed. 50% of deaths are among vaxxed. Second image is cases in Canada from Sept. 2020, BEFORE vaxxing began. Third image is cases in Canada from Sept. 2021, AFTER 80% of the population is vaxxed. The vaccine is therapeutic at best. At worst, we don't yet know long-term. If the predictions of many doctors and scientists come true and we see major surges in cancers, heart disease, neurological disorders in the next 3-5 years (not surprising, since those are also the major adverse reactions to the vax) it will TRULY be the vaxxed who are plugging up the ICUs. And I hope that they are met with more kindness, compassion and empathy than they are showing to others now.

Do you think some of this panic and fear might have been created by the government/media? The top story the other day was a woman who "died of covid" according to the headline. If you read the article, you would have found out that she was 105 years old. But she "died of covid."

I wonder if any of the vax fanatics have ever watched any of the videos people have uploaded of their adverse reactions. There is almost 5 and half million serious reactions, many of them life-altering, not including the deaths. I saw a mother video her attempt (she had made several) to get help for her 17 year old daughter who has been shaking so bad for 7 months since the shot that she can no longer even keep her head up and can barely walk. Clearly it's one of the neurological disorders that some are ending up with. It was really heartbreaking. They are being told there's nothing that can be done, they give her some Ativan and send her home. The mother said that she wished she knew of the risks before she made her daughter get the shot but she felt bullied and pressured into doing it and convinced her daughter that it was worth it and she was being a good citizen to do it. She said that she wasn't allowing her other children to get the shot now and didn't care that she was being labelled "selfish" for it. She turned the camera again to her daughter, crying and violently shaking in the car next to her and said, "If you're a parent ask yourself who is really the selfish ones. Is it worth it to risk your child being like this so that a 97 yr old can have a covid free last month of life?" Or the teenage boys who will never play sports again because their hearts were damaged by inflamation? Oh, don't tell me....let me guess......these people are all liars, rabid anti-vaxxers who are just making shit up. Right?

Yes, I believe the courts would allow the government to do so. Especially if the people of Canada have been propagandized to believe it is in their best interests. You seem to think that Canadians are different from other people. We are not. Look at the widespread fear and panic and the people begging the government to take rights away from their fellow citizens right now. Are you unfamiliar with history? The Jews lost their freedoms little by little and the German people were okay with that, because the government convinced them that the Jews deserved it. Many Canadians are calling for unvaxxed people to be sent to camps - it doesn't matter if they had covid before and have natural immunity or whether they actually have covid or not. When the AIDS epidemic was happening, gay people were barred from employment, etc because of the fearmongering of "catching AIDS". A lot of people didn't want to touch or be in the same room as a gay person, it didn't matter if they had the disease or not. Same thing is going on now. Unvaxxed people are being treated as if they are infected. Some Canadians don't want to touch or be in the same room as an unvaxxed person, it matters not that they are not infected and it matters not that vaxxed people are running around spreading the same virus. I was on one facebook page for evidence based (lol) facts on covid/vax and was dismayed to see the number of people who are not in any kind of high risk category, already letting unvaxxed relatives know that they are not welcome in their homes or near their families. When they say this, they are cheered on by the others for being such a good citizen. At one time, for the greater good of the community, women were burned as witches when things weren't going right in the village - fear and panic spread like wildfire. People full of as much fear and panic as you are, do horrible things. Time will tell, I guess. I wouldn't want my children and grandchildren to someday know that I was involved in demanding other citizens be stripped of their rights and sent to camps. For someone who seems to get the basic premise of this, since you have argued (correctly) that not all Muslims should be treated as terrorists who are dangerous to society, you are unable to apply that same principle here - that it is just as unfair to treat unvaxxed people as if they ARE infected, when you yourself could be spreading covid right now. I actually hate the term anti-vax. Because the majority of people refusing or hesitant are not anti-vax. It's just this one experimental, untested one that we still have no idea of the long-term consequences.

Yuck it up while you can. This is the start of the social credit system. You really think governments aren't going to (and haven't already) figure out the massive amount of control social passports bring them? You think they're ever going to give that up? Wait til YOU don't behave and comply and they freeze your "social credit" account or you can't go further than 5 km from your home. You'll wish you were still able to whine about it. Ask the Chinese. Oh wait. They aren't allowed to say anything other than "We love our social credit system! It's the best ever! Govern me harder, daddy."

I posted the article because it's how ICUs are filling up with flu patients and surgeries are being cancelled - but it's from 2018 flu season. There's actually a metric crapton of articles exactly like it every flu season. Every flu season, the ICU's fill up with flu patients and surgeries get cancelled. Get it? ? This is just the first year that propaganda is making the squirrelly people demand that anyone who didn't get the flu shot be fired from their jobs, be segregated from society and sent to camps. If only they had all been squirrelly enough to demand better leadership many years ago.....

WHOOSH Right over your head

They are cancelling surgeries in Toronto, too: Surgeries postponed due to severe flu cases overwhelming Toronto ICU (citynews.ca) Oh, whoops, That's the 2018 flu season.

Others have figured it out. I'm sure you could too. If you try.

We stick to the Emergency Pandemic Plan. Or do you prefer the way this non-plan has gone? I know the non-plan gives you the opportunity to hate and oppress your fellow citizens, but it also destroys the economy. You'll have to decide which you like better.

I wish people would educate themselves on coronaviruses. They start in animals and sometimes cross over to humans. That means that the only way to "stop the spread" is to vaccinate every single animal on the planet. Obviously, we can't do that. Which is why we had a pandemic emergency plan for respiratory viruses. If you believe that 100% vax rates are going to "stop the spread", please. Please. Educate yourself. Because you just look hateful and selfish, blaming and shaming and gleefully punishing those who have. Because this is going to happen again. And when it does, I hope that we have learned to hold our government to a higher standard than we have this time. I hope that it doesn't lead to ordinary citizens "complying" with ridiculous governmental mandates, tattling on their fellow citizens, having our human rights taken away, large portions of our fellow citizens being ghetto'ed and the public turning on each other like rats.

I find your deliberate lack of knowledge lazy.

If your got your head out of the government and media's ass and stopped fearmongering and being terrified, you'd know, too.

Yes. Because I've read about all the ways. Vaccination is part of it, but it is not the only way. Neither is bringing in a social credit system.

Heres' what I think about this whole pandemic: We should have followed Canada's pandemic emergency plan. We did not. I blame that on our leadership. Lt. Col. David Redman who was once the head of Canada's emergency pandemic plans, has stated the same. We knew right away it was a respiratory virus. Anyone with a basic knowledge of this, knows that the elderly and those with comorbidities are most at risk. They are the ones who should have been quarantined and vaccinated. The rest of us should have the choice, without coercion. There was no need to destroy our economy. There was no need for panic buying of toilet paper. To cover this massive lack of leadership, the government and it's "bought and paid for" media have sowed widespread panic and terror and division amongst Canadians. Compounding the lack of leadership, it silences any who point this out. I do think that many ordinary Canadians see this. I read the comments on articles. Even many vaxxed people feel they were forced to vaccinate and have commented that they refuse to do the boosters. Many restaurant owners do not want to enforce the passports. They are being forced and coerced. Whether their fortitude holds or not, I don't know. It depends on how much pressure the government puts on us all. But I also that I am not the only person who sees all this. Anyone who is not a pig with a brass ring in its nose, sees this. I think that when the panic dies down, (if the government and media stop the fearmongering) a lot of things are going to be challenged legally. I think a lot of businesses and governmental agencies are going to be shelling out a lot of money for damages. I came out of a religion that told me who to hate and how to think and reason and withheld information from me. When the blinders came off my eyes, I swore that was never going to happen to me again. No one is going to tell me who to hate and I will not act on the coercions of those who try to make me.

How would I know? I have none of the comorbidities. My chances of dying from covid are less than 1%. Your's a bit lower because you are vaxxed. But when you're getting into the miniscule numbers, I don't think either of us should be terrified.

I wanted to address this. The vaccine passports are exactly a social credit system. Where the government tells you what to do with your own body. You comply or "social credits" are denied to you. Get it? If you comply, you can go to a Leafs game. If you comply, you can eat in a restaurant. If you comply, you can hold a job. (But they get to choose the job, haha) Is this what you want in Canada? Because this is what you're asking for. As for Trudeau, I have no idea what he's up to. I do know that "absolute power corrupts absolutely" and he's pretty corrupt.

My apologies, I meant, as the data showed and I was discussing - that 1/3 of the people dying are vaccinated.