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I suppose the "Old Stock" need to have babies. Because immigration is an excellent way to grow the population and economy without consideration of your discomfort with being given a coffee by a brown person.

First World Problems.

There are plenty of low-skill fast food jobs to go around. Lots of them are being taken by older people.

That should cost no more than $9, with a Combo donut or potato wedges. At least you're owning it.

No, my wife uses it for trips around town. And it's a larger car so it can be used for more comfortable rides. Who's imposing EVs on people? Governments are incentivizing EV usage. Which is well within their purview.

$12? WTF are you buying? Some pretty racist crap wedged into this screed. Tim Hortons is popular because it's cheaper than McDonalds and they're everywhere. Want Cheaper coffee, go to a Circle K.

You charge at night during low usage where baseload is being generated. I mentioned earlier that my EV uses as much as my AC. Is it really reasonable to fret about AC usage in the summer? And it's not stupid if, you have another car because you're in a family with 2 cars. You would have made the cost-benefit analysis already. This car gets me to work and back every day and meets my recreational needs. And for those few times you do make a road trip that exceeds the range. You have to plan. . . or use your other car. The volatility of the price. Hydro rates don't fluctuate nearly as much. AND Carbon Taxes aren't going away. That will keep adding to the price of Gas. That's the primary reason for switching. No Transitional like LNG. It's better than Coal, but not clean like Nuclear and Solar or Wind. The transitional period is already here. Countries have pledged to stop new ICE cars being sold in the relatively near future. Car companies have pledged to only offer electrified cars. People who oppose such measures are being left behind. And will continue to bitch about gas prices while buying wildly inefficient cars.

With the volatility in gas prices, anyone who made the decision to get an EV likely thinks they made a good choice. Charging infrastructure needs to improve for EVs to reach parity with what an ICE can offer for long distance travel. Most people don't use their vehicles for long distance travel. Most EV owners do their charging at home on the existing grid. One can still reduce their reliance on Gas by getting a Hybrid or even a PHEV that doesn't require high voltage charging. We're in a very transitional period. But almost all the "Cool" new cars coming out are EVs.

I'm not here to Shill for Tesla. The other issues with EV Service is that the infrastructure of service shops have no ability to actually service them, because they don't know how. Which will be a good thing for carmakers that already have a dealership network with Service Centres.

They're really fast cars with a lot of cool tech. They look cool too. But Tesla isn't a buttoned down car company. You can't take them to get serviced, they want to send someone out to you. They also haven't allowed for 3rd party parts manufacturing.

The only person I've ever heard use this term is Putin. Way to tip your hand.

Well he's already done that by investing in putting Chargers at OnRoute sites and Making Ring of Fire mining a priority. I'm not sure about the rebate. There's a 5k Federal rebate. I think that's already fair. The price of an EV has come down in recent years. I will tell you, from personal experience, that having an EV for charging purposes hasn't greatly added to my electricity usage. It's obviously higher, but not exponentially higher. It's comparable to running an AC. Well that's the role of government. They're making it a priority. Europe and Asia are way ahead of us on this.

I'm just putting perspective to some of the concerns addressed. Tesla is a weird company and they are plagued with quality issues. But Purchasing an EV was the best car decision I've ever made. The maintenance on brakes will be lessened because of Re-Gen Braking helping out with slowing down the car. They aren't for everyone. If you like Road Trips or drive more than 200kms a day maybe hold off. There are still options that will reduce emissions (Hybrids and PHEVs) I still need a backup ICE car, though that's a Hybrid. I concede my privilege of having a garage and a dual income family where two cars are an option. EVs aren't ready for primetime, but they're getting there. And just about every Car-maker is moving into that space. Innovation will follow. Battery tech will continue to improve and the grid will have to follow.

Oh really? is that why they're slaughtering civilians? Weird narrative to compare the Commonwealth to the Nazis when they lost hundreds of thousands fighting the Nazis on several fronts. King Edward, the Royal with Nazi Sympathies is notorious for it, not celebrated for it. We could also look to the US to see some serious Nazi Sympathies at the time. But when war knocked on their door, that quickly faded.

The Nissan Leaf is probably the worst EV out there. And a 2013 to boot. Infant technology at the time. A lot of the issues with EVs have arose from Tesla. They're good at "innovation" but most will agree they're a rather shitty car company. All the real car companies are getting on board with new EVs they can't keep in stock. The Toyota Corolla is probably the lamest car there is. And even that starts at just 20k. Most car companies are getting out of that market. You're much better off buying a better quality used ICE or Hybrid if your budget is under 20k. ALSO, something you haven't mentioned is that most EVs have their batteries warrantied for 8 years plus now. So it's very unlikely someone will be stuck with a $15,000 expense on a new EV. There is much less upkeep with an EV because it has way fewer moving parts and fluids.

ICE cars aren't being banned anytime soon. But new car sales of ICE cars will likely go away in the next 10 years. This is where the growth will come. And as more new EVs come on the market, and time goes on, more used EVs will appear. It's only been in the last 2 or 3 years where EVs that aren't luxury cars have been widely available. The segment is still relatively new. Well that government isn't in charge anymore. Regardless the vast majority of Ontario's power come from Gas, Nuclear and Hydro. All relatively clean energy sources.

From your article. New ICE cars are just as computer reliant as EVs. This issue will improve over time. Also, stop using EVs as total of the market as the metric. It's percentage of New EVs purchased that the metric to watch. So 16% in the UK, and set to improve. That's your opinion. The price of Wind and Solar have come down and if we know anything about Ontario, there's lots of open space. I will concede a Carbon-Neutral future will have to incorporate Nuclear. BTW if 100% of the power generated to fill the gap created by thousands of new EVs on the market used LNG plants, it would still be a huge improvement over refining, transporting and burning Oil into Gasoline.

The Growth is evident. It's weird how people refuse to see the tea leaves until they're forced to spend $2/litre on gas. https://www.thestar.com/business/2021/12/10/by-the-numbers-a-look-at-electric-vehicle-sales-in-canada.html Do you have a cite for that statement? https://www.ieso.ca/en/Learn/Ontario-Supply-Mix/Ontario-Energy-Capacity

As Demand of EVs grow, and not just from Canada but Globally, it'll become way more lucrative to mine that Lithium. Kind of like how the Oil Sands are only profitable at a certain price. From the article you posted: The main concern for EVs are metals like Nickel and Cobalt. Quebec makes gads of Green Hydro. They have plenty to spare. I think you should probably cite where Ontario's Grid is having issues. Because I'm not seeing it. Ontario's Energy blend is also rather Green already.

China leads the world in Battery production. The West needs to get their act together because Battery manufacturing is the next big thing. New? What year? Auto manufacturers are mostly moving away from low-end models. GM and Ford don't even sell small cars anymore. The margin is just too low to be worth it. Want a cheapish car, go to the used market. I was able to get a very nice Hybrid (my other car) for under 20k. Subsidizing the oil industry also picks winners as it hurt manufacturing in the past. The pendulum has swung back to manufacturing in recent years, which is a good thing for Ontario. I think the different from a 45k car and a 40k would make a big difference to some drivers. Ontario doesn't have a provincial rebate. You clearly didn't read my previous post. There is little saving if you're treating your EV like a conventional ICE car and go to a fast charger regularly. You'll also kill your battery quicker if you do this. An EV driver will get most of the juice from an at home charger or a public Stage 2 charger where you charge overnight. I pay the lowest Hydro price because I set my EV to charge after 9pm every night. This is also good for the grid because it uses Baseload hydro that would have been generated anyway. When you charge your ICE you expect to get a week's worth of gas. Charging an EV every other day or even every day works fine for most people.

Hybrids do need Lithium Ion batteries. And they're an excellent transitional technology. Ottawa should get some of their energy from Quebec. To fight Climate Change, the government wants to move from mining toxic fossil fuels and move to mining precious metals to build batteries. I'm sure the Horse Industry employed a lot of people at the turn of the 20th century. We need to move away from ICE technology.

Today marks the end of most mask mandates in the province. Are we happy? Or will we only be happy when you don't have to be vaccinated to take a flight?

Oh so it's OK to subsidize companies to create jobs? How about this? https://barrie.ctvnews.ca/alliston-honda-plant-receives-1-38-billion-to-upgrade-operations-1.5820564 How about investing in mining the rare earth minerals for making batteries? https://globalnews.ca/news/8690627/ontario-critical-minerals-strategy/ You must live in a relatively rural area. In the GTA we haven't heard about Energy instability in over a decade.

Well, to make that 50k car 40k so more CAN afford it. As noted in the above post. The cheapest new cars are already in the 30k region anyway. And the highest selling cars are Trucks and SUVs that are easily 50k new. Governments are making the decision to incentivize cleaner technology. Where in Canada are there brownouts? Even if an EV used power generated from Natural Gas, it would be much better for the environment then relying on an ICE vehicle that needs oil refined to gasoline delivered to a gas station. An EV is exponentially more efficient with the energy it requires.

No mention of the subsidies that go to the Oil industry or the Automotive industry. $50 a charge is still a bargain. Most people who own an EV use an at home charger where they pay market prices for electricity, most of the time using low overnight rates which is electricity that would have been generated anyway. It wouldn't be feasible otherwise. An EV's battery would degrade quickly if it only gets charged using a Level 3 Fast charger. These are only useful for emergencies and road trips. But to the point, YES governments are picking winners here, because they recognize that society needs to move away from extraordinarily inefficient Internal Combustion Engines. Government's role is to spark innovation and the price will come down. And they already have. We're already in a world where a new EV doesn't have to be a luxury quality car. EVs can be had for 30-40k. When we live in a country where a 50-70k Pick-up Truck is, far an away, the highest selling vehicle, the money is there.