WestCanMan

You're literally comparing a glob of a few thousand cells to an adult in a coma. The line between "a reasonable argument" and "what the fuck was he thinking" about 1,000 miles overhead right now Yz. It's commendable that you're sticking up for fetal rights, I'm on your side, but we're still a long way apart. I'm not gonna say that "Using spermicidal jelly is jizz genocide."

I can promise you that environ-mentals aren't the people who are the most upset with Trudeau lol. Socio-economic stability will be achieved once the gov't is in a position to tell everyone what they can and can't have, and the population is almost under complete control now. Canadians are injecting a pseudovax when they're told, discriminating against the non-sheeple like they're schmutzig juden, hollering for the government to disarm everyone, gleefully accepting a digital currency/social credit-based system where the gov't can erase your personal wealth with the touch of a button - no judicial oversight required, handing control of their children's upbringing and belief system to the government, allowing the gov't to throttle religion... Trudeau has charmed Canadians into anointing him as their Supreme Leader. All of the leftists here have said the following things, in their own way: "Beat those peacefully protesting non-believers like dogs in the street Mr PM! We love it!" "Seize their accounts Mr PM! They deserve it!" "Throw that priest in jail Mr PM! Religion is bad. You are our prophet and our master!" "Kill freedom of speech. Don't let people say things that are true if you don't like them. Truth has no meaning. We will believe CTV and CBC and when their truth eventually changes, we will accept the new truth without question!" "We will keep saying "vaccine" no matter how much you have to water down the definition of the word to make it fit. Punish the naysayers! Strip them of everything!" "It's about time we got a passport for traveling within our own this Trudeau's country. We are just peons. Our freedoms rely on our absolute compliance with the whim of the government!" "You are the lead dog Mr PM. We will be happy to look at your ass all day!"

I never said that about an adult with zero relationships, I said that about a small group of cells in a woman's womb with no relationships. It's no more of anyone's business what's inside my large colon than whether or not a 15-yr-old girl has a few cells in her womb. If you want to know, it's weird in both instances.

It would definitely be murder, yes. I think that a fetus becomes a sentient being at some point near the end of the first trimester. I don't know exactly when. Unless there are extreme circumstances, I would consider think that aborting an 8-month-old fetus is starting to look pretty murderish.

Supporting equal rights should have been the final objective, what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms is no one else's business, but for some reason the LGBTQ crowd wants to propagandize children now. I can understand the message of "it's ok to feel whatever it is that you're feeling right now, just be open minded about yourself and others, see where it goes", but the message seems to be "if you have the slightest doubt about your sexuality then you're definitely gay and you must act on it NOW, while you're still in grade 3! Try not to be a cis-gender devil!" Very few conservatives are at that point, and not all leftists, but the wingnut crowd is taking up a lot of the oxygen in the room right now. Check out Senata Skank: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988763/Democrat-Rhode-Island-state-senator-28-DEFENDS-video-twerking-upside-down.html She even brags about talking specifics to school children about sexuality. She doesn't realize that as a US senator her actions represent a whole country, in no small way. The bar for young women just keeps getting lower and lower. Dumpster sex in grade 3 will be normal soon if we keep going at this rate.

Here's proof that with proper editing, you can even make it appear as if Trudeau is telling the truth: https://www.facebook.com/609516434/videos/1586735041722976

Sounds like a real genius Lol, couldn't resist.

I usually agree with Shapiro, but he didn't make sense there. If someone's in a coma they have dozens of serious relationships with people, people love them and in a lot of instances rely on them. Then there's a complicated mess of what to do with their chattels after they die. Does the person pulling the plug profit the most from their death? In the case of an abortion, there's sometimes only 1 person on earth who'd love that baby and knows of its existence. The grandparents might not know, aunts/uncles/cousins might not know... The father might want the abortion as well if he knew of the pregnancy. The fetus has never been aware of its existence, will feel no pain, is being spared a difficult life of being raised in a 1-parent home, etc, etc. There's really no comparison between the two situations, and the debate doesn't need to be railroaded into the specific points that Ben wants them to be stuck in.

You can get a .270 magnum semi-auto with a wooden stock right now that fires just as fast as an AR-15, has more power, and shoots straighter than a .556 NATO round like the one that's standard in the AR-15s. It also costs less money, on average. About $1,800 for the .270 mag, the ARs can easily go as high as $2,500, like the IWI Tavor x95. It can carry the same capacity mag as any other "assault-style" rifle that's legal in Canada. You don't need it to kill a deer, but you wouldn't want to go hunting feral hogs with your grandpa's bolt-action .300-calibre rifle. And feral hogs are a thing now in Western Canada.

The US is like every other country, but on steroids. Gang violence, narcotics, prescription drug abuse, alcoholism, combat sports, steroid usage, muscle cars, even football.... all done on a different level in the US than anywhere else in the world. Basically anything you can do that damages brain cells is like a religion in the US. Mass murders are hugely popular in the ME, much moreso than in the US. It's so common that you don't hear about the killing of a mere 7 people.

They're assault rifles, 'cause they're black. If they had boring-ass wooden stocks like your grandpa's guns they wouldn't be as dangerous ?

Their "anti-racism" actually is racist - it's done with disinformation to create racial division. There's no other explanation for the way that they carried on during the Michael Brown saga.

For sure it is, but it is no more cognizant of anything than a tumour at conception. It's not until it's 15 weeks or so that it starts making choices based on external stimuli. Women have very real, life-altering concerns about having a baby. Stigma, stretch marks, permanent & significant changes to her body or her reproductive parts, depression if she gives the baby up for adoption, or a career-killing responsibility if she keeps it. That's a lot to go through because of the naiveté of being an uninformed child or making a teen mistake or being the victim of a rape, etc. I completely understand that there are circumstances where a woman would responsibly come to the determination that an abortion was critical to her personal well-being. That choice would also make way for her to get into a position later in life where she's ready to be a good mom, and raise children within a healthier family and have a better chance at life. Think of it this way, she could have two children when she's single and poor and they're gonna have a really tough go in life or she could grow into a more mature adult, start a career, get married, have a stable home environment, and do a proper job of raising children. I personally think that 16 weeks is a lot of time for them to make up their mind. At some point it is a cognizant human, and killing it becomes inhumane.

Most of what you'll see from this "anti-hate" network will be leftist propaganda and disinformation. The people who regurgitate known lies like "Trump called all immigrants animals" are the kinds of people who propagate this divisive filth.

Your English teacher definitely supports it.

Everything's a conspiracy MH. You got us on all these, and more....: It is a conspiracy that covid came from a lab. Only crazy alt-right loonies would question vax safety, or believe that 2x-and 3x-vaxxed people could potentially die of covid. Only RW racists would block travel from covid hotspots. No one can ever prove that the Dems did enough election cheating to swing the 2020 election in favour of Biden. Biden wasn't a dementia victim in 2020 but he suddenly is in 2022. Hunter's laptop is Russian disinformation. Ashley Biden never lost her diary and the FBI never went to retrieve it. It's disinformation to say that Joe knew that Hunter was on the board at Burisma. Russian collusion is real. Ukrainian collusion is real. Trump said "MARCH ON WASHINGTON!" Jan 6th was the only time in recent US history that protesters went into a government building, and it was the most violent episode in a gov't building by far. You're Wile E. Coyote here; always on the attack, then eventually hoisted on your own petard.

Right now the Dems are saying "Look at Roe V Wade! Remember Jan 6! They're trying to draw attention away from 2000 Mules, inflation, rampant crime, homelessness, Fentanyl deaths, the disaster at the border, etc. They're distancing themselves from Biden too. They're pretending that his dementia is new, because they can't let on that they cheated on the 2020 election just to push a senile criminal into the WH. The Dems are a cornered rat right now, they're actually dangerous.

It appears that some people are allowing themselves to be forced to the extremes at 1 and 5 just to distance themselves from what people on the opposite side of the debate are saying. Just ignore the lunacy. When you're making sense, and you know that you're making sense, stick to your guns. Stay inside of the bell curve if you know thats where the reasonable people are. If your daughter or granddaughter was raped the last thing that you'd want is to be raising that man's progeny instead of watching your family member have a normal childhood, go through university, have a chance at a career. #1 is stupid. Don't just go there to be as far from 5 as possible. If you went through 19 years of school & university to become a Dr the last thing that you'd want to do is kill a healthy nine-month-old fetus just because the mom changer her mind. #5 is stupid. Don't just go there to be as far from 1 as possible. Think of the reasonable people whose side you'll be on, not the kooks who just aren't far enough away from you.

That's democracy. When an issue becomes front and center, politicians have no choice but to go that way or they'll be replaced by people who do. Judges have lifetime appointments, they don't have to change their views. It took 50 years to get a set of judges in the SC to reverse a bad decision. In general, judges don't like to overrule other judges, but politicians love to undo what other politicians have done. Just look at the laundry list of executive orders that are done and undone at the start of every new administration. It's a given that the new administration will flip the bird to the outgoing one. That's actually 2 issues. 1) The supreme court is "politicized" because activist judges like to get ahead of the laws and the constitution. Roe V. Wade is a perfect example of that. Activist judges and DAs also thwart the legal system entirely. That's where politicization comes in. 2) Lifetime appointments are granted so that judges' rulings aren't politically motivated. Carefully selecting judges who will do their best to interpret the constitution and the laws that are already on the books is a sacred task. Or, in the case of the Dems, appointing judges who they control is the number 1 priority. You're wrong. Black people's rights were in the constitution: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". They just weren't being upheld. It took the emancipation proclamation and the 13th amendment just to abolish slavery although it wasn't ever 'legal' according to the constitution (Americans failed to live up to the lofty standards set out in their constitution). Even then, a racist class-system prevented most blacks from truly being 'free', but the constitution itself wasn't the issue. The struggle that Americans face politically continues to be the fact that they haven't managed to live up to the lofty standards set in their constitution. If you want something to become a law, convince people that it needs to be a law, make it an election issue, win the election, get a majority in congress and the senate, pass the fuckin' law. It's that simple, and it's also that hard for a reason - it takes a majority of Americans (and subsequently a majority in congress) to make laws, not a 9-person oligarchy. That's democracy. I'm 100% aware of the fact that you feel like leftists are the only people that matter, and whatever they want to be a law should instantly start being enforced by federal police forces and judges alike, that's why you're considered to be a fascist. I actually agree with you that abortion should be legal up to a reasonable period of the baby's gestation, I just don't agree that judges should unilaterally make that choice for Americans. It requires legislation. It requires democratic process. Anything else de-legitimizes the entire system. The system is important. It's the key to democracy. Shortcuts are tyrannical in nature. I feel like I'm explaining all of this to a child. Man up ffs.

I'm closer to you than I am to the other conservatives on this one regarding where the law should eventually land, we just disagree on how the laws should be created. I don't think that a girl should ever be forced to have a baby if she was raped, I think that's heartless and silly. I don't think that people are thinking about how they'd feel if their own 15-yr-o daughter was raped and had to go through gr. 10 with a burgeoning belly. I think that a fetus is just an unfeeling blob at week 11 and I'd have no compunctions about an abortion at that age, sad though it may be. 20 weeks is a lot higher than I'd like it to be, a 5-month-old fetus already has a decidedly human form with functioning muscles and a brain. Still, I'd choose this option over forced pregnancy. Then, outside of serious medical reasons, it looks like murder to me. I know that a murder charge would be quite harsh, and I wouldn't expect that a majority of people feel the way I do about it, but I would personally consider it murder. After 7 months, definitely murder. Lock 'er up. I know that diehard loonies are against me on this one and I don't care at all. Abortion isn't painless for a 7-month old fetus, they know that they're being murdered.

That's why your arguments in this thread are all lacking in substance and understanding. You literally have no clue how the SC and the American legal system work. FYI judges don't get to create laws, they get to interpret the constitution and the laws that are on the books - that's it. Roe V. Wade effectively created a law that didn't exist in the constitution or anywhere else at the federal level. It's called "ruling from the bench" and it's not legitimate. The SC didn't "hand the abortion issue over to the states" so much as they "came to the conclusion that there wasn't enough in the constitution or any federal laws for their predecessors to have made the ruling that they did on abortion." So they struck down the Roe V. Wade ruling, creating a vacuum of power, and state laws which were properly created through the legislative process came into full effect. Now we're here: when/if a fetus becomes a human, and has human rights, is for elected legislators to decide, not judges with lifetime appointments. The concept of "my body, my choice" makes sense before a pregnancy occurs, and probably at some early stage of pregnancy when the baby has no awareness or feelings, but again, that's a decision for elected legislators. Even if every single American suddenly came to an agreement on abortion, they'd still need to have legislators create new laws to that effect. The SC can't just up and do it. That's democracy. Can you imagine if 6 young SCJs just started making rulings themselves? With no respect to the constitution, or elected officials and their duly created laws? It would be a decades-long oligarchy.

I amazed that bringing the dumbest client in the history of the world forth to tell an obvious lie was enough to make Avenatti CNN's shoo-in for the Dems' presidential nominee.

Bullshit. If you went to university at all it was for a football scholarship. Keep going sad boy, I really couldn't care less what you think, but we all know which one of us can't grasp basic concepts. I just proved how stupid you are in the last post where you actually tried to add to this dialogue. Now you're running scared, making sandbox insults, as usual. Yes, you said that, and that's why I knew it was going to be really stupid before I even looked at it. No, there's not "a specific law" about that, no one said that there would be. It would be a violation of their own hippocratic oath, it would open them up to a malpractice suit and likely even serious criminal charges. But that stupid blurb is not even related to this topic in any way. Some Drs don't want to be forced to perform abortions just because they work somewhere that other people do it. That's what this is about. Schumer wants them to do his bidding. Leftists want to force people to take the pseudovax and they want Drs to to perform abortions even if they don't want to. They're fascists. Shocker. We're not talking about what's 'rare' or what's 'common', we're talking about what the Dems are trying to legalize. It's two entirely different topics. Your own stupidity is on display in every single one of your posts Beave. Your JHSDD (Jr High School Dropout Diploma) isn't pulling your fat outta the fire here. Try another way of legitimizing your idiocy.

Actually his client, Lisa Swetnick, claimed to have gone to "up to ten parties where Kavanaugh and his friends were raping girls before it eventually happened to her". Most of the girls that I know wouldn't go to a 2nd one, let alone a 3rd one, 4th one, 5th one... 10th... Even if what se was saying was true, it sounds like she wasn't really 'raped', she just waited her turn. Leftists are so dumb that they'll believe ny accusation as long as it's against Republicans

Of course I'm not watching that horseshit. I've seen people lie, and say things like "He grabbed the steering wheel", but that's not new: they've lied all along. Trump clearly said "stroll peacefully to the capitol" and the dems/media said that he told them to "march on Washington", which is a big of a lie as you could possibly make. One means 'stroll to', the other means 'attack'. You can get sucked in by all the propaganda you want, don't include me.