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Doesn't matter. Can you tell by looking at them whether they are Canadian or American?According to Bob, if they can't be distinguished then they don't deserve their own country.

It seems to me you are just playing word games. Carry on.

Cite please.

I don't see a date on that but I'm hearing differently lately: Canada’s Dollar Falls Amid Lower Global Growth Forecasts; Bond Yields Drop By Chris Fournier September 08, 2011 17:21 EDT Can http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-08/canada-s-dollar-falls-amid-lower-global-growth-forecasts-bond-yields-drop.html D OECD slashes growth outlook for developed economies - 4 hours ago The organisation's latest assessment of the global economic outlook said that growth in the G7 economies http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/oecd-slashes-growth-outlook-for-developed-economies-2351516.html

I think a substantial number of Canadians would be irate at the prospect, possibly all of them but you.Perhaps the resource sector should be nationalized ... Perhaps the public subsidies to the resource sector should be discontinued ... yes they definitely should. The abuse is horrific. Did you know that an oil sands company (which shall remain nameless) received $250m in startup government subsidy and then posted a profit of ... yup, $250m in their first year of operation? Ya gotta hand it to the private sector. Yup. They know how to squeeze a dollar out of the public pocket into their own 'private' hands. Hilarious, eh? :angry:

Thank you GostHacked.

Horse patootie. I heard about a protest of an event once where all the audience were Presbyterian. Man, you think you got problems? IMAGINE the protesters picking on the Presbyterians! Now THAT'S bigotry!

SHE is definitely not early 20's, and you are no shining bundle of joy yourself and this is a disgusting personal attack and you are totally out of line.

Like Canadians and 'Americans' ...

"Industries which, not co-incidentally, you feel no connection to because your income is not dependent on it which makes it a self-serving position for you to take."

A funny thing about Canada's right: They use the word "hate" a lot. Why is that? The problem with the GDP is that it's too narrow a measure of results. For example it doesn't measure the cost of damage to the environment from extraction industries, or the damage to people's lives from intentional manipulation of the stock market, currencies, etc. Granted it's what we have to work with at present but that needs to change. Indicators are extremely important and should be more sophisticated than the GDP is. We're getting a overly simplistic, skewed and incomplete view of our status and progress that is actually misleading ... but that's perhaps another thread, but here' a quick summary: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/gpi.asp#axzz1XPd5Vlzb

People who actually had to work hard for a living can sometimes take the time to read and learn and think about priorities in life and come to the conclusion that some industries cause more problems than they solve.Many people think many industries and services should be shut down, public education, public health care, public welfare, for example are always subject to such attacks by people who think they should be shut down, maybe even from people in your industry, maybe even from you. "A door closes, a window opens".

I think some of the confusion results from you tying 'sovereignty' to 'territories' when that is not the case. Sovereignty of First Nations/Indigenous Nations has absolutely nothing to do with reserve lands. As William says ... individuals are sovereign. Nations of people can be sovereign - ie people who share a common cultural heritage, treaties, laws and customs - even though they may live within a physical country. I'm NOT talking about land, but people or Peoples. That, as I understand it, is the situation with Indigenous Peoples who live within Canada's geographic borders: They were sovereign nations of people before contact, they never surrendered their sovereignty, and they remain sovereign nations of people today. A person who leaves a reserve and lives in a Canadian city or in fact anywhere in the world is still a member of a sovereign Indigenous Nation. Arguing about 'sovereign territories' is a futile distraction and an exercise in frustration that has no practical value.

I understand in some contexts that we have to pay 'market value' to some public agency CEO's where the job involves talents in getting and retaining work. However ... hydro???? Everyone is a lifelong customer. What could possibly be the rationale for this?

I'm afraid that what and who I am will remain an enigma for you Tim. Just to recap your guesses ..."radical environmentalis(t)" "spoiled rich kid", "has a government job", "fulltime welfare bum/student" ...Now it's possible that you consider these to be insults, personal attacks, but I don't see it that way. I see a man so stressed by his life and job that he hides from it by posting proliferately on a discussion board to defend how hard he works when he isn't working but posting here to attack others who post here at their well earned leisure. Here's a suggestion: Get a hobby. Life is short.

"Go build their country somewhere else" isn't going to happen of course, but building a country for themselves ... do you see that as a solution? Do you see any solutions at all, Bob? Are there not Jewish people in Israel who are working with Palestinians to find peaceful solutions?

It may interest you to know that after a quarry in Eastern Ontario Was used in reconstructing a highway, it was found that the old pavement was dumped in the quarry, along with the usual oil cans, etc. It was in the groundwater. No gov people were interested in knowing about it.

http://www.economyincrisis.org/content/end-economic-growth Come on guys! Prove them wrong ... please!

Government debt balloons and then there are austerity binges, and those cycles are created to make a lot of money for a few peoplr by siphoning money out of the middle class.It isn't really a cycle but a spiral ... a death spiral for all but a few uber-rich.

You're asking the wrong person. I think we should leave the stuff in the ground.

http://transitionvoice.com/2011/08/how-to-talk-about-the-end-of-growth-interview-with-richard-heinberg/ To get back on track ... I know my links are biased because I'm googling "end of growth economy". However I'm very interested in arguments and links to the contrary too. Are there any? And is there anything new in the financial system thinking besides more credit, more debt, more crashes ... It's apparent that the whole system makes the banks and their investers a lot of money, so is it likely we'll get any new ideas from that sector!

I can't copy and paste from the pdf but I do think the graphic results are very interesting, since we outperformed everyone but a few Asian nations. You raise good questions and could get the answers from the report if you chose to and draw your own conclusions. And then you could perhaps update your less than scientifically obtained opinion. It's my responsibility to provide you with the information, not force feed it to you. You've been bragging about your science skills, so use them.

For clarification ... Sovereignty of peoples is not tied to a geographic location or jurisdiction such as reserve lands. They are still members of sovereign nations (of people) regardless of where they travel, work or live. I believe the UN Declaration on Rights of Indigenous Peoples does say "within the state" ie, the UN recognized state of Canada. Not sure if that's being challenged, and it may be there to protect them from countries that might otherwise leave them stateless and without the benefits of formal citizenship. Aboriginal peoples of Canada are also entitled to all of the benefits of Canadian citizenship by the treatie s, whether or not they chose to consider themselves Canadian. I think it warrants mentioning that Harper has also declared Quebecers to be a nation of people within Canada.

Just a reminder ww.omnisens.com/ditest/ Alta. oil pipeline leaked 28000 barrels - Edmonton - CBC News 3 May 2011 … A pipeline break northeast of Peace River, Alta., has leaked 28000 barrels of crude oil during what is now considered … www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton... - Options N.W.T. oil pipeline leak estimate grows - North - CBC News 6 Jun 2011 … Enbridge says up to 1500 barrels of oil may have leaked from … www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/st... - Options CTV.ca | News Photo Gallery -- Alber

I do believe anxiety/fear is significant, and played upon, and I forgot to mention the elderly who disproportionately vote Conservative. It remains to be seen whether that will hold true for aging boomers. I suspect not.