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Are you really trying to pretend that the PPC - with their openly white supremacist 'security' thugs - are not racist? Why pretend?

I agree. Suggesting that Alberta diversify is not "central planning", but just a suggestion that Alberta is already well aware of and should have implemented by itself but hasn't bothered with to any significant extent. It's also a message that "central bailouts" for the dying industries will NOT be an answer for Alberta. An even stronger message will be the necessary shifting of fossil fuel subsidies to renewable energy industries, which already employ more people than the oil industry. Even a small shift will tip the balance of profitability to renewables, and investors will follow. The "free market" solution is starting us right in the face. Bail out the workers, but not the dying industry.

Alberta's oil glory days are over and Alberta governments haven't planned enough for a longer term sustainable economy: A popular bumper sticker in Alberta reads: “Please God, give me one more oil boom. I promise not to piss it all away next time.” https://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/after-50-years-of-trying-to-diversify-its-economy-alberta-is-still-stuck-on-oil A refinery would be an excellent idea, and "central planning" - ie, making that suggestion to Albertans - isn't out of line at all. Notley's petrochemical industry diversification is another. Kenney's millions spent fighting and wailing about environmentalists is not useful. A travelling friend met a guy in an Alberta bar, an oil worker who introduced himself by hollering angrily "What are you damn hippie freaks doing in our bar?!" ... but he smoked his weed nonetheless. Buddy didn't have to graduate high school to get a job in the oil field and a truck (he was paying for) worth $120,000. Ya, for buddy with no education and used to ridiculously expensive toys, coming down off oil is going to be pretty hard. You can't get a min. wage job flipping burgers in Ontario without a high school diploma. Is Alberta's repeated lack of planning really Canada's 'emergency'? Canada can't fix the price of oil, nor the fact that oil is increasingly out of favour. Canada can't fix Alberta's lack of diversification into downstream industries. But Canada can help redirect, educate and retrain workers to diversify themselves into sustainable energy industries, energy retrofitting, downstream petro manufacturing industries, etc. Canada can help the workers bail out of a dying industry ... but NOT by throwing our money away bailing out the dying fossil fuel industries. Alberta needs better leadership than Jason Kenney frothing at the mouth in his 'war room', railing at the fates, plotting and blaming. Alberta needs to attract new industries for the long term, to retrain and employ its own work force. But the oil workers who come from across Canada are perhaps not so much Alberta's problem, and Canada can play a role in transitioning them to other industries.

It's a valid question, but I'd rephrase it: What will this new Parliament do to help transition Alberta oil workers? Best answer: Move 30% of subsidies from fossil fuels to renewables and energy retrofitting, and transitioning oil workers to those new jobs.

What discussion? How can Nationalism, White or otherwise, coexist with the desire to blow the country apart? Lol Something just doesn't make sense with whatever the heck it is that you and Dougie93 hang your pointy white hats on.

Really? Dougie93's loyalties seem to waffle from Royalist to US'n, but they never approach Pequiste. Nonetheless, there's room for a variety of thought and expression in Canada. A country that constantly questions and openly discusses its raison d'être is stronger and healthier than one that demands the subservience of jingoistic nationalism. Last night's election results highlight that variety, and constraints on centralized power, a healthy outcome, imo.

Your personal delusions of grandeur are noted, but you represent no one. We're not a nation that pumps nationalism in the 'patriot or die' extremist manner, but a nation of nations loosely coordinated to benefit all, and respectful of differences. Your rhetoric is dismissed as the nonsense it truly is.

So who is "us" and who are "those" who want to blow Canada up?

Point taken. I have no problem with that. But I don't think you speak for Dougie93. Lol His ranty response is totally incomprehensible and warrants no attention from me.

Who is "us" ? Who are "those"? All very mysterious. What/who is this group you refer to? Sounds rather treasonous to me, and certainly would not be Her Majesty's wishes.

I may agree, considering Notley's Alberta and Horgan's BC: Good jobs come first and tend to maintain the status quo. And the Green Party platform is clearly a business/capitalist plan too, though based in renewable energy not fossil fuels. But all Canadians across the voting spectrum want socialist health care and other public services maintained to high levels. Canadians are pretty balanced people that way. The 'Left-right' distinction is pretty meaningless and does not really represent any of us. We collectively and decidedly insist on the best of both worlds, a Canadian mixed economy, "an economic system combining private and public enterprise".

Liberals are not "left". Liberals and Conservatives are both owned by the same corporate machine. The conflict and division between them is just theatre to pander to voters, window dressing to convince voters that they offer a choice.

Yes, I understand there's wailing and gnashing of teeth, flinging of insults and lashing out among the extremist far right today, because Bernier's PPC amounted to a fart in a windstorm. It's just a bad memory now, so can we move along to more intelligent discussion, please? We have the most interesting situation we've had for a while. It could be very productive, or it could be handled stupidly and full of conflict. The thoughtful voices of Canadians can influence that, and the extremist voices can waste time and our money on posturing instead of negotiating for best outcomes. I know where I stand on that.

There you go again, displaying the lack of thinking that defines the extremist right wing, proving me right.

Dougie93, the fact that you resort to personal insults says a lot about your lack of depth and your fear of intelligent and humane thought and behaviour. (So I take it as a compliment. Lol) Negotiation is how the world works to avoid costly and counter-productive conflict and duplication. Collaboration and coordination always results in better outcomes. Authoritarian top-down 'leadership' is a useless construct in democratic governments that represent the broad array of opinions of the population in the context of current realities. Very inefficient, likely to be opposed and thus prone to being overturned. In example: Bernier lost because his anti-immigrant racist nonsense failed to respect the reliance of businesses in his own riding on immigrant workers. Lol Context matters.

I didn't mean Trudeau's preferred choice, but mine and obviously most Canadians, including Liberals, as Trudeau's STV (ranked voting, as stated above) was soundly trounced. Yes, incumbent Trudeau would still have first chance to 'gain the confidence of the house' and form government. I was merely commenting, somewhat ironically, that Conservatives who have staunchly opposed PR would have gained seats from it in this election. It doesn't matter though, because Scheer (stupidly) says he won't partner with other parties anyway. Lol

I think there's a lot of "appetite" among Canadians for Proportional Representation in the House of Commons. To match NDP & Green promises in 2015, Canadians, esp his youth contingent, forced Trudeau to include it in his platform 'promises'. Once elected, Trudeau tried to make his own decision about the style of PR without consulting Canadians, proposing Single Transferrable Vote (STV) ranked voting which favours the middle-of-the-road party (ie, Liberals) and results in a single party majority - ie, little change from FPTP results. Canadians hissed and booed at not being consulted, Trudeau had a hissy fit and buried it. Interesting to note: If we had the preferred method, Mixed Member Proportional voting, we would have a Conservative minority government this morning, as they won the popular vote by a hair. Lol Sorry-Not-Sorry that Bernier and the PPC bombed out, Dougie93. Lol

Liberal MINORITY. No PPC. JWR is in. Greens up one. The Bloc is back. Room for reason and negotiation. Good night.

Investors will get rid of oil. It's already happening. Environmentalists have played a big role in public awareness and creating uncertainty in investment. The predatory far right white supremacists try to attach themselves to something more legit. They infiltrated the Ottawa convoy, so the oil workers pulled out because they didn't want to be associated with the filthy racist scum, including Faith Goldy. (Too bad Scheer didn't get the memo. Lol) Bernier used to be legit, but he's thrown himself in with the filthy racist scum now. The recent convoy to Edmonton was legit, oil workers and small business owners concerned for their livelihoods. Understandable, and sad, but I hope that Alberta can reinvent itself in the renewable energy industries that already, in Canada, employ more people than the oil sands. With the election up for grabs and the climate change crisis on everyone's agenda, it's going to be an interesting and pivotal four years!

What on earth does that mean?

There was no gunfight. After Kealiher was hit, someone shot at the car to stop it, and did but the two occupants ran and have not been found. Antifa said Kealiher's death was not fascist activity. (Maybe a drunk driver?) Police questioned two antifa and released them. You are again making up your own propaganda, trying to incite hatred and violence.

Yes, as I said: It seems the shots were to stop the car after Kealiher was hit. And it seems it worked - likely blew out a tire - but the 2 people in the car disappeared. The two Antifa who took Kealiher to hospital were questioned by police and released.

I guess I missed that news. Can you link? Protest and counter-protest is pretty much the norm these days. Oil workers and small business owners dependent on the oil industry are legitimately scared for their future. Who wouldn't be in their shoes? The inevitable wind-down of fossil fuel industries is now staring them right in the face within a very few years, and the oil industry bosses are not telling them the truth. None of the oil companies have planned transitions for oil workers to new industries. They'll just keep using their labour and lying to them until the moment they shut down, while telling the oil workers it's somebody else's fault they're being laid off. The oil workers' concerns are understandable. That's legitimate activism, though perhaps better directed at the lying oil bosses than the Climate Strike. What isn't legitimate is predatory far-right white nationalists trying to co-opt the oil workers' protests to camouflage and promote their racist, misogynist, homophobic agenda of hatred. What also isn't legitimate is politicians trying to divide people, set us against each other, to further their own careers, their own power. That's why I feel strongly that we need a minority government to keep their power in check, to seek collaboration rather than conflict.

Was it intentional murder, or an accident? Antifa is not blaming alt-right fascists. It seems the shots were to stop the car after Kealiher was hit. And it seems it worked - likely blew out a tire - but the 2 people in the car disappeared. The two Antifa who took Kealiher to hospital were questioned by police and released. Just in case anyone anyone here is interested in the real facts ... instead of the delusional and deranged incitement to hatred and violence perpetrated here by the Alt-right.