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Hey, taxme and PPC ... the thread is about climate change. Overpopulation is not the problem. Fossil fuels are the problem. But don't fret, we've already solved it: We remove public subsidies from the fossil fuel industries, because they're not profitable without it. Investors flock to green industries, renewable energy. Done. You can start another thread about overpopulation.

Hmm ... there may be some hope for you. White nationalism is also for "rubes".

You missed the fact that we're shutting down the oil industry by removing public subsidies. That's all that's necessary, because the fossil fuel industry isn't profitable without subsidies, but renewable energy is.

Just fine so far! The only problem has been the stupid and disturbed white supremacists showing off their extremist idiocy. In Canada, Syrian people are getting jobs and opening businesses, integrating into the country. Turkey can't integrate 3.6m refugees. Are you suggesting that Canada just keep sending support money forever, to people with no hope of ever getting a job to support themselves? Kinda stupid, but what I expect from a NIMBY white supremacist like you, whose opinions are not even worth consideration.

Human ingenuity, free enterprise, free markets, free speech, and all those issues can be addressed. We can't fix the whole world, but we can fix ourselves and be a model. Human ingenuity, free enterprise, free markets, free speech, and all those issues can be addressed.

No problem. Human ingenuity is an amazing thing. Renewable energy is more profitable than oil in the instant that we remove about 30% of the subsidies that are the only thing still keeping the oil industry afloat. All of the challenges you mention will be quickly addressed, because human beings are incredibly inventive, already ahead of the game. 1) Vehicle retrofitters are already doing good business in some countries: https://singularityhub.com/2019/08/05/the-newest-way-to-go-green-retrofit-your-old-car-to-make-it-electric/ 2) The billions in federal subsidy money currently propping up the otherwise unprofitable fossil fuel industries can be re-allocated to support all of the retrofits, etc. that will be necessary to switch to electric, including vehicles and home heating. 3) Current provincial subsidy money can be used to support Alberta and Saskatchewan oil workers through the transition to new industries. No one person - like you or me - has to figure out all the details. We all just have to free the market to work as it should, and let human ingenuity and free enterprise fill in the necessities.

Canada resettling "tens of thousands" doesn't make a lot of difference when Turkey has several million Syrian refugees. The millions of Syrians in refugee camps in countries bordering Syria cannot find work, cannot be absorbed and integrated into those countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War Turkey is the largest host country of registered refugees with over 3.6 million Syrian refugees.[3] Plus 2m more Syrian refugees split among Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt, all requiring humanitarian assistance. (And 6m displaced within Syria itself and also requiring humanitarian assistance.)

The technologies exist now. What we need is a free market breakthrough. The oil industry is now only profitable because it is propped up by public subsidies, distorting the free market. Get oil off welfare: Remove only 30% of public oil subsidies, and the renewable energy industry is immediately more profitable. Investors immediately abandon oil, and both investments and profits flow to the renewable energy industry. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/01/fossil-fuel-subsidy-cash-pay-green-energy-transition Redirecting small portion of subsidies would unleash clean energy revolution, says report Easy. Not complicated. Remove some oil subsidies. Free the market. Save the world. It is that simple.

Burning fossil fuels is killing the planet and human life on it. There is no such thing as "ethical oil". Taking money out of every Canadian's pocket to subsidize the floundering, failing, destructive oil industry is a crime of immense proportions. The oil industry is not profitable without public subsidies. IF we had a free market now, renewable energy would be booming with investments and profits, and the oil industry would be dead. The oil industry is just a huge welfare scam now. But you don't really care about business anyway, WestCanMan. You're just one of those white supremacist trolls who are latching onto the oil industry as an excuse to push your anti-Muslim racist propaganda.

The 'currency' of importance now is not money. The only 'currency' of concern is a healthy planet we can continue to live on safely. Other oil exporting countries may continue on a homicidal and suicidal track. We can only take care of ourselves, make sure we are not the problem. Here's the 'currency' that matters: https://www.nationalobserver.com/2019/05/27/analysis/surprise-most-canada-track-hit-our-2020-climate-target This on-target group includes Ontario, Quebec, British Columbia, Manitoba, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Prince Edward Island, Northwest Territories, Yukon and Nunavut. Unfortunately, the good news story turns sour when we include the two remaining provinces — Alberta and Saskatchewan. Those provinces increased their pollution by 17 per cent. Oil operations are no longer even economically feasible without public subsidies. And they are a major problem for pollution and for life on the planet. That's the 'currency' we have to be concerned about.

He lost his majority, barely held on. And TMX is not a done deal yet. Wait for it ... No, that's %gdp for the entire energy sector. Oil is less than half, ~5%. Alberta oil, less still. I understand that, and it's frightening. But ... either people are going to plan ahead for a smooth (and early) transition out of the oil industry, or it's going to hit them when they least expect it and they're unprepared. Again, oil is only 5% of GDP. It's important to all Canadians, but not as important as you inflate it to sound. And it's an industry on its last legs, only profitable now because it's propped up by public money. Truth. And I really hope Albertans are paying attention so they are not caught unaware. Certainly, oil companies won't tell people the truth.

Ya ... no ... being a noisy, nasty ill-informed fanatic doesn't make one a leader. You have to say things that make sense. That's why I asked if you officially represent the PPC. Max might not appreciate it. Lol 1) Indigenous lands and revenues subsidize all Canadians, bud. 2) In a free market - ie without Canadians giving welfare to oil companies - renewable energy is more profitable than oil. Investors will pull their money out of oil. Companies will lock workers out and run away with all the money. Pipelines will no longer be an issue when the investment money leaves, the jobs leave. People have to prepare for that. Alberta has to deal with that, not waste money and effort shrieking and babbling stupidly about separation, which could only make things worse for Albertans. The militant white supremacist fanatics pushing separation are predators, preying on the fears of oil workers, feeding them nonsense about benefits from separation, fuelling hate and rage. You are destroyers, not leaders. With no significant oil industry in Alberta's future, better plans are needed, and fast.

Liberals and Conservatives are both corrupted by attachments to corporate interests and distorting the free market with welfare for their corporate cronies. Stop subsidizing oil with our money, let the free market work and we'll all be better off. PPC2019, Argus, Taxme, Army Guy, Dougie93 ??? Thanks, but I'll pass on the fanatic set.

That's true worldwide. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/aug/01/fossil-fuel-subsidy-cash-pay-green-energy-transition The new analysis shows how redirecting some of the fossil fuel subsidies could decisively tip the balance in favour of green energy, making it the cheapest electricity available and instigating a rapid global rollout. Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF “Almost everywhere, renewables are so close to being competitive that [a 10-30% subsidy swap] tips the balance, and turns them from a technology that is slowly growing to one that is instantly the most viable and can replace really large amounts of generation,” said Richard Bridle of the IISD. “It goes from being marginal to an absolute no-brainer.” Investors go where the profit is, and oil collapses without investors. Fast.

So why are you posing as PPC?

So you are the official voice of the PPC?

Are you the official voice of the PPC?

When profitability tips to renewables, it'll roll out so fast your head will spin.

Alberta will separate ... what? They live on Indigenous land. The Alberta separatist movement is heavily influenced and infested by militant white supremacists, preying on the oil workers' fears. Even Jason Kenney says separation is not in Alberta's interests: They can't currently negotiate a pipeline through BC. Separation would make it totally impossible, would just give [BC and 'the East'] "what they want", in Kenney's words. Nobody has to "force" Alberta to stop producing oil. Alberta will stop producing oil when it is no longer profitable. And the point is fast approaching when investors will abandon oil&gas for renewable energy. In fact, if we weren't propping up the oil industry with public subsidies, renewable energy would already be more profitable and investors would have already fled the oil fields. In a free market. No investment in oil = no work. https://calgaryherald.com/business/local-business/alberta-government-subsidies-to-oil-and-gas-sector-growing-report/amp Joshua Buck of Environmental Defence. ... said the provincial government appears to be “chasing job creation in the short-term” by extending billions of dollars of support to the fossil fuel sector. But he said the subsidies actually serve to slow Alberta’s move to renewable energy, instead of encouraging the diversification he believes is necessary.

The market price of oil will drop drastically as investors abandon fossil fuels because renewables are more profitable. That will be very soon, and the speed of change will make your head spin. In fact, public subsidies of the oil industry are currently all that is artificially propping up its profits.

Profitability in the free market will change that very soon. And it will change very quickly.

I became aware through one family's story. Few may go public because of the ongoing stigma within Islam. Persecution based on sexual orientation, gender identity and expression is a valid criterion for seeking asylum in Canada. However, there likely wouldn't be any public stats on a particular type of persecution, but the issue is common enough that there are organizations to assist LGBTQ Muslims. http://www.the519.org/programs/salaam https://www.rainbowrailroad.org/about-us https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/affirming-mosques-help-gay-muslims-reconcile-faith-sexuality-n988151 And media discussions: https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/gay-muslims/ And some mosques: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/affirming-mosques-help-gay-muslims-reconcile-faith-sexuality-n988151

Nonsense. Albertans are wasting time and anger blaming Trudeau. He did what people elected him to do. That's democracy. There was and is no public will, no social license, no public consent for anymore pipelines in Canada: If oil gets piped and shipped, it gets burned somewhere. Emissions from burning oil anywhere in the world are like peeing in the pool: It affects the entire planet. Canadians know that, and voted to stop that. I don't expect that Trudeau will be able to finish TMX either. That's democracy, the will of the people. Albertans who are planning and prepping for their future beyond the oil industry will do ok. Those who continue their dependency on the oil industry may not. It's a personal choice. Nobody can blame Trudeau or anyone else if they fail to inform themselves, fail to manage their own future. Only white supremacists refer to antifa and BLM as "violent", and including BLM exposes you as such. (It's not a Canadian issue.) Antifa are trained and skilled in defensive tactics. It really angers volatile white supremacists, when their rage, intimidation and violence are ably diverted. Oh well. Brains over brawn. Lol

You're the one promoting hatred, and that alt-right mentality of division, blame and violence is really not helpful to anybody. Trudeau is just a convenient punching bag. BC's reluctance to incur environmental damage from pipelines and shipping is a major stumbling block. You would think that Alberta would have been anticipating and negotiating diplomatically about that for decades, instead of waiting until the last minute and then threatening them. Not a productive approach. And then you blame Trudeau? Ridiculous. Climate change is a reality. Addressing it immediately is a necessity. Alberta's pipe dreams of a return of oil's glory days never were a realistic plan for the future, and they never made another plan, as they were pissing away everything they made. Coming down from the highest earnings in the country is a shock, no doubt. But when you're blaming and hating workers in 'the East' who NEVER made that kind of money ... wtf do you expect us to say?!! Yes, we hope the Alberta government and federal Conservatives out there start collaborating on some more realistic plans for employing Albertans for the future. Wtf else can we say? Fanning hatred among oil workers isn't going to improve their futures. The misery of hopelessness isn't helpful to them. Better planning by government would be helpful to them. Get ahead of the curve in renewable energy ... because the fortunes of oil producing jurisdictions worldwide are about to hit the skids as profitability of renewable energy overtakes and passes fossil fuels.