Craig Read

True enough. In England as far as I know this B.O.R is not used to; -Protect terrorists from being deported -Protect asylum seekers who just walk on to the country's terrirtory -Protect freedom of expression of every group to the detriment of the entire group -Allows the State to interfere in non-state institutions The English BOR is I believe hardly if ever invoked. The English Constitution is looser in many ways - more general - a framework of ideas. This is preferable to what we have here. It is better than the EU Constitution as well with its embedded worker rights, social rights, freedom rights and the like - a horrid document.

To follow on from Hugo a couple of points; 1. The US wanted to lift sanctions against Iraq as soon as Hussein complied with the UN resolutions. To line his own pockets and portray his country as a martyr Hussein refused. The US then had to incur the costs of ringing Iraq with troops and posts. This was very expensive. I don't remember the UN reimbursing the US for this cost. 2. Hussein used the food and other supplies and distributed them to cronies, friends and exported them. Yes Iraq exported UN food supplies and medicines. In Arab countries it is reported that people preferred 'Iraqi' medicine since it was Western and of better quality. US Troops found warehouses of such supplies this past spring. 3. NK is an entirely different set of geo-political pressures. China, Russia and Japan all have interests. There is nothing comparable to this in the Middle East. 4. The Lie-berals are hypocrites. First they laughed that NK was a threat. Then they laughed that Iraq was a threat. Now they cry that NK is a graver threat than Iraq but you can be sure that IF NK was invaded, they would be dead set against the war, much as they were dead set against invading Iraq and upending a very important part of the Terrorist network and support structure. Basically the Liberals have no idea about realism and geo-politics.

Hugo, you are right. The genetic myth comes from the fraud Kinsey who interpreted Hamer's test on gay men to produce unscientific polemics extolling the gay gene. Standard, Univ. of Boston and Univ. of Western Ontario studies have all disproved the gay gene theory. The only defence might rest in the fact that the genome is not entirely mapped or known. However, more plausibly sexual orientation is caused by a great number of genes interacting and deviancy is caused by the environment and social factors. This makes more sense, then stating that a Single gene causes certain behaviour. This would be akin to saying that someone who is ugly, suffers from the Ugly gene. This would be akin to saying that stupid people [like Liberals and Democrats for eg.] suffer from the stupid gene. Nonsense. They suffer from gene combinations, social factors, environmental factors and parental influences.

You babble about nothing of importance. I satirise humor and you go off like a typical Liberal no brain and quote from Webster's. Gee you are very smart. I wonder if I could do the same. Next time look up SATIRE. And no, it is not a new tire found on Saturn cars.

Contrary to the effeminate, Gay gene loving Lie-beral myths that Iraq is a mess, I quote here from someone who has ACTUALLY been there. Gasp ! and he says that it is going as fast as is humanely possible and that progress is steady. Rebuilding a devastated country takes time. The Lie-berals expect to erase 50 years of Fascism in 3 months and that Iraqi's should be leaving in the same houses as the snot nosed Post Modern Profs in Boston and Berkely replete with manicured lawns and Mexican labor. Get a life. ================= Due to our efforts, 40,000 Iraqi police are back to work helping to restore law and order, and assisting the U.S.-led coalition in its hunt for Saddam and his loyalists. It's the beginning of a long haul. Like it or not, building a country from scratch takes time and money. Securing a country such as Iraq will take a professional civil police service, 65,000-75,000 strong, an Iraqi army of hundreds of thousands, and a temporary civil defense force to augment U.S. and coalition forces. To those who claim that we're not doing enough, fast enough, it helps to put matters in perspective. We're doing a hard job to the best of our abilities, in postwar circumstances, with really scarce resources and a clock ticking above our heads. In my four months there, I oversaw the setting up of 35 police stations in Baghdad. Try setting up 35 stations in New York in four months! New Yorkers will remember that it took the Giuliani administration eight years to create the safest large city in the world and that was with every resource under the sun. Five months ago in Iraq, we adopted a country of 24 million, with no electricity, water, technology, Internet, telephones or radio communications, etc. There was nothing, and yet the critics are saying that it's taking too long. One would think that they themselves have the answer, or the magic pill that will fix it all, but unfortunately, there isn't one! It's always easier to criticize -- as some Congressional delegations in Iraq are prone to do -- when you have no operational involvement, insight, authority or responsibility. And to those critics who think the answer is the deployment of more U.S. troops, I say: Caution! More U.S. or coalition troops mean more U.S. and coalition targets, injuries and deaths; and those we do not need. The coalition can't fight someone they can't see and they'll never deter those who are willing to, or more so want to, die. What we need is the ability to identify, locate and capture or kill the enemy that's trying to prevent freedom from growing in Iraq -- and no one can do that better than the Iraqis themselves. The creation of a new Iraqi intelligence service is more critical right now than ever and expediting that, and the recruiting, training and deployment of Iraq's new police and military, is essential. All of this is being done, and at speeds that make our federal and state bureaucracies look like they're standing still. And yet the political criticism is deafening. History has taught us that there's always a cost for freedom. On 9/11 we learned that we'll pay now or we'll pay later. As one who stood beneath the twin towers and watched people jump from the burning buildings, and also witnessed first-hand the fall of Saddam, I more than most have an understanding of the threat of radical Islam. Let's not forget that this is a war. So for now, the war should continue; and as Jerry Bremer would so proudly say, "Welcome to a free Iraq." Mr. Kerik, a former chief of the New York Police Department, has just returned from a four-month stint in Baghdad as senior policy adviser to Ambassador Bremer. Updated September 24, 2003

Nova is right. The management of currency ie. Yuan and Yen to revalue upwards, means the US $ will be revalued down [all things being equal]. To achieve this the US will have to print money, this is inflationary. If you look at the 10 yr T bill rates, interest rates will go up since economic growth is accelerating and if the M1 supply goes up interest rates will increase further to dampen inflation and excessive economic growth. This however will cause economic problems for consumers, businesses that need credit [higher rates] and investors [more volatile markets]. Not smart. However US foreign policy is bang on. Terrorism will be eradicated in a long war. You don't sit supine, stupid, and mumbling like the Clintonians did, as terrorists attack your assets. I have posted long threads on this in other parts of the forum. Tax cuts are vital for economic growth and wealth creation. History proves this [Reagan cuts, Clinton's cuts etc], that revenues actually go up not down. What the US has to do is CUT spending. This means eradicating whole programs, cut discretionary spending and for God's sake throw the Hitlery socialised drug plan into the dustbin. The international economic policy stance of Bush is however, not a good one. Tariffs, subsidies, and the like do nothing to stimulate investment, needed reforms or help the poor gain access to your markets. Managing your currency is likewise a dumb idea. China and Japan need to grow, not be subject to diving currencies and erratic capital flows. This is stupid. John Snow the Treasurer I thought was smarter than this. I guess he is bowing to political pressure to 'bash' the Chinese and Japanese. I hate this type of posturing.

Derek, Love it. Great post. Lie-beralism. I am accumulating Lie-beral myths - so this is perfect. Thanks mate. Read Ann Coulter as well - she outlines the Dumbocrud mis-information campaigns. As I always state, these clowns have been wrong on most if not all major issues. So if you want a policy, do the opposite of what the Dumbocruds and NY Times op-eds state.

I submit all Charters that supercede the Constitution and are open to judicial decree and interpretation are unnecessary. Even something like the Bill of Rights is open to suspicion - Britain for instance has no such 'Charter' Rights document. The issue lies with the political process - in a checks and balanced system like a Republican a Bill of Rights MIGHT be acceptable. In a Parliamentary system like ours, where Judges, Parliament heavyweights, bureacrats, and policy are largely chosen by ONLY the PM it is dangerous. Chretien can play both sides - Yes i am personally against Gay Marriage but No i don't want to upset the Charter. This is nonsense. The Charter is now the document defining what occurs in our country and it allows the State to demolish non-state institutions. This is more difficult to do, in the USA. The Charter here needs to be revoked and the entire Parliamentary process reformed. We need checks and balances.

Sources for what ? The fact that 7000 Princes rule the country or the fact that they are supine while the West provides ALL the technology for oil refinement and distribution. Well guess what Ace - go the book store and pull out any number of books on S.Arabia - and it will confirm that. As well the WSJ, the National Post, and various think tanks confirm the number. The list of books would number in the dozens. I suggest you build a library and stop watching the CBC.

Clinton benefitted from the Reagan - Bush era of tax cuts and deregulation - which he ensured ended in a bubble. Good management job there. That a boy Bill. The only achievement of Billy Boy was NAFTA which he was arm twisted into by the Rep Congress. If the Dumbocruds had controlled Congress trust me NAFTA would not have happened. Like Foreign policy there was no action on important items, no haste to accomplish, no desire to improve. Unless of course Hitlery's [Heil Hilarious] socialised medicine was at issue, [a unelected woman defining policy !!!!] or defending himself against perjury, impeachment, illegal land deals, White House debacles etc.... Billy was too busy having a frat party to run the country. Let the adults run the place please.

You can start by trying to produce a list of Charter BENEFITS with empirical real world support.

1. Move to the US. 2. Join the CA. 3. Join the group that wants 1 East. Atlantic Province and the ending of regional subsidies.

In general I favor US foreign policy, eradicating terrorism, rebuilding Iraq and Afghanistan and tax cuts and freeing up capital. I am less favorably impressed with the US' international economic policies. -Steel tariffs; this costed thousands of US jobs and $600 Billion in higher costs - all to buy the votes of Pa., and Ohio. Dumb. -Lumber tariffs; the tariffs are warranted but probably not at the level they are at now [29 %]. A lower tariff would do better and should have been done a while ago. Again housing costs, construction costs and the like have costed the US economy. Dumb. -Currency; I can't stand it when gov't manages its currency. The US wants China and Japan to unleash their currencies. This is stupid. What it means in the US is inflation will rise as more US $ are printed. [The Fed reserve only impacts interest rates and money supply, interest rates will only go higher not lower] and the Yuan and Yen will plummet stifling growth. Good one. -Agro Subsidies; I am sickened by the $80 Billion increase in aid to mostly large industrial farms while poor farmers in the 3rd world literally die. I hate this type of moronic posturing [the EU is the King at this]. Dumb. US - make your economic policy fit with your foreign policy - make it relevant, intelligent and coherent. Repeal these measures and tear down these walls Mr Bush !!

That is ridiculous. You want rules, mandates and quota's and exclusion or inclusion based on skin for supposed 'crimes of the past' and you believe that is inclusionary ?? What AA does is elevate group politics, group rights, group belief systems and group grievances above the Constitutional right of 'equality of opportunity' and the legal right of 'equality before the law. These 2 main principles are now eroded by special interest groups that are divisive not inclusive. They divide not unite and they create a society where every group will now coalesce and demand their 'positive rights'. This is insane. The Constitutional fathers in the States and in Britain [less so formally] understood diversity and its problems. In fact Madison grumbled many times about the competing and conflicting claims of the States, and their various groups with each other within a unified Federacy. Separation of powers and universal rights before the law and to have and express freedoms are the only answers. Segmenting the world into 'groups' with 'grievances', who then posture and demand is madness.

Boyd - Great stuff ! I agree - it is the usurpation of our British Parliamentary Heritage by the 'Rights' Lie-berals. It is an unnecessary and dangerous over-ride of the Constitution and Parliamentary process.

Good link KK. Good source. the Palestinians have a state - it is called JORDAN. When the Brits divided up the area, Jordan was the Arab-Palstinian territory. Now the interesting question - why doesn't Jordan want the Palestinians ? Aren't they brothers ? Aren't they of the same culture ? Aren't they superior to Western culture ? Ah, could it be that the Jordanians see the PLA and its leadership for what they truly are.......and would rather turn West.....???

I agree, the Charter is an attempt to segment society into groups - all vying for their human rights. Each group identifies with itself not with Canada. The Charter far from being a binding document on being Canadian is used to create divisiveness, even as the Lie-berals and their media friends talk of diversity. The perversion of the Charter is that this diversity is creating a segmented and illiberal society that covets various positive rights but feels alienated from the common weal. These groups can use the broad language of the Charter to demand certain rights unavailable to larger groups ie. to be sexually deviant and be married in a Church, when Church doctrine strictly prohibits such activity. The State using the Charter can impose its will on non-state institutions. In effect it means leads to the divisiveness of society not to a greater cohesion as our institutions are changed by politicians not by our society, culture or organic development.

Like I predicted last week - the verdict was overturned. The election will go forth on October 7th. Lie-berals will not doubt appeal today's decision, but Davis is finished. He can run, but he can't hide.

He is against because Harper should be the leader and the CA should set the policy agenda. The Tories are left of centre and hopelessly out of date.

You are an idiot. On the topic at hand Bush's speech was a great challenge to the relevancy of the UNO. Here is some context - regimes that sponsor terror will meet the same fate. Amen to that. This deeply offends the Lie-berals, the ninnies, the Gay Rights Activists and those who believe that only Socialised Health Care matters in life. "The former regimes of Afghanistan and Iraq knew these alternatives and made their choices. The Taliban was a sponsor and servant of terrorism. When confronted, that regime chose defiance, and that regime is no more. Afghanistan's president, who is here today, now represents a free people who are building a decent and just society. They're building a nation fully joined in the war against terror. The regime of Saddam Hussein cultivated ties to terror while it built weapons of mass destruction. It used those weapons in acts of mass murder and refused to account for them when confronted by the world. The Security Council was right to be alarmed. The Security Council was right to demand that Iraq destroy its illegal weapons and prove that it had done so. The Security Council was right to vow serious consequences if Iraq refused to comply. And because there were consequences, because a coalition of nations acted to defend the peace and the credibility of the United Nations, Iraq is free. And today we are joined by representatives of a liberated country. Saddam Hussein's monuments have been removed and not only his statues. The true monuments of his rule and his character--the torture chambers and the rape rooms and the prison cells for innocent children - are closed. And as we discover the killing fields and mass graves of Iraq, the true scale of Saddam's cruelty is being revealed. The Iraqi people are meeting hardships and challenges, like every nation that has set out on the path of democracy, yet their future promises lives of dignity and freedom. And that is a world away from the squalid, vicious tyranny they have known. Across Iraq, life is being improved by liberty. Across the Middle East, people are safer because an unstable aggressor has been removed from power. Across the world, nations are more secure because an ally of terror has fallen. " Read that last sentence again - for the Lie-berals who have difficulty connecting the dots - it means that states who actively support terror in any way, will meet their fates.

KK thanks for the answer you are right on. The UN rapes Iraq for $21 billion in revenue during the 90s. It was at the forefront of eliminating DDT from Africa - result thousands are dead from Malaria. It has been a spectacular failure in Somalia and Central Africa. Like I said; refugee relief, humanitarian aid, child relief, a totally reformed Security Council and less overlap. For instance ECOSOC overlaps completely with the IMF and World Bank. Get rid of it. Reform the IMF - it has wasted billions propping up corrupt regimes. The World Bank needs a thorough audit as to what it actually does. Rhetoric aside, its activities are not proven essential. If they are wasting money, shut it down. The UN is one giant 3rd world labor exchange. This is its main mandate - enforce socialism, transfer monies to the 3rd world, socially engineer our modern life via Kyoto and spend taxpayer dollars on dubious projects, and firmly adamantly resolve not to implement Security Council Resolutions. It is a body that has outlived its usefulness. Reform is urgent and mandatory.

Ahead of Eves, hell yes. Eves is not a conservative. He is a big spender. More debt, more spend under his regime. Now we have the same per capita spend as under Peterson. That's Eves' definition of Conservatism.

Under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, better known as the Chatter of the Righteous and the Fraudalent -- a refugee anywhere in the world can claim asylum by simply walking on Canadian soil without papers. They are immediately given 'relief', food and shelter and so on. A convicted felon, who has lied to get into Canada cannot be deported without a long legal process. A terrorist or previously indicted criminal cannot be deported without a long legal process. A person who boards a plane, lands in Canada and who mysteriously on the plane ride over has lost his documents is treated as a refugee. The immigration business is huge, these lawyers support the Liberals by and large, and donations and certain ridings are dependent upon immigration. This is why the Lie-berals want more more more more more immigration. Preferably from India, Muslim Near East and South America. These immigrants almost to a man vote Lie-beral. The 'Tribunal' that assesses refugee claims, deportations and immigrant assessments are composed of patronage appointees and are not professionals in their line of work. As one tired Tribunal officer stated - all the stories sound the same. Apparently the terrorists, immigrants and refugees have a playbook they follow and have standard lines they use to appease the Tribunal. Sources; recent books on Immigration by Stoffman and Francis. They go into detail on all of these points. I have already posted on another thread the importance in reading these 2 books on the Immigration scam.

The House of Saud must go. 7000 'Princes' run the country as their personal ATM machine. Here is a country sitting on an easily accessible and processable resource that needs Western technology to develop, distribute and sell said resource. Astounding. The oligarchic family are kleptocrats. Women get stoned for revealing their face in public. Half the population is illiterate. A competitive economy is non existent, and extreme Islamic support flourishes. Other than that, this US created fantasy land is a great country.

Then refute one item i mentioned. You can't - typical liberal, sneer, libel, slander. Billy Clinton is your God.