Craig Read

Good points guys. WMD was one factor in the war and only one. The elements of terror are supported by nation states. You don't bomb the WTO using a loose federation of Islamic extremists - you need to train, find money, and plan and you need information. Iraqi's helped Al Qaeda with money, passports, information and planning and training sites. WMD I believe will be found in Iraq. 100 Tonnes can be hidden in 10 large holes of about 10x10x15 in size. A large field could hide such a cache. It will take some time to find WMD.

Riff and gang don't know anything. No sources, no evidence, just slander. This is the strength of Lie-beralism - the anti-reality squad I call them. Let's twist nationalism into fascism and rampant anti-americanism. It is racist and unnecessary. No need to fuel your self esteem through such incoherent hatred. Unless of course you a little weasel with no self worth.

So Flea -Bitten, what is your point if you have one ? Bin Laden hates the Saud family not S.A. He is supported for crying out loud by Wahabbi fanatics, various princes and goodly part of the population that loves his anti-modern nonsense. Where do you get your sources from ? Mars ? As for the Marshall Plan, the Europeans asked for it. They wanted help and economic stability was a rather obvious necessity and only 1 necessity amongst many to combat growing Soviet Power. So what is your point here ? Is there one ? Or is it the usual garbage that the US helped Europe to help itself ? The fact that Europeans have had peace, social democracy and a good life since 1945 is due in large measure to the US Hegemony they have enjoyed including the security and peace necessary to establish market economies. So what exactly are you trying to state ? Do you even know what you want to say ? I doubt it.

Yes let's forget that Bill Clinton the 'do nothing' President did not know that Bin Laden existed until early 1996 [see Miniter]. Even though Bin Laden was blowing up various sites around the world. Let's forget that Bill Clinton did nothing on foreign affairs and ignored Kosovo until Blair dragged his sorry ass in. Let's forget that Bill Clinton avoided the draft, trotted off to Moscow to drink of communism and was chummy with leftists while in school in England. Let's forget that Clinton was impeached, soiled his office [literally] and ran down the US military even as its assets overseas were under attack. Let's forget that he is the biggest liar in US politics in recent memory. He is a genius. Let's forget that Al Gore failed Bible College [is that actually possible ??], received Cs and Bs in High School [is that actually possible ?], failed out of Vanderbilt Law School [now that is actually impossible], and received Cs at Harvard [the school who's motto is 'pay us stupid money and we will give you all A's!!!]. Let's forget that Al invented the Internet, found the Love Canal issue, and inspired Love Story. Let's forget that after Clinton Al is the 2nd biggest liar in recent American political history. He lies - so according to the Lie-berals that is Great ! You are a genius !! This is the moral compass of the left. Only stupid people take action and accomplish. Only geniuses, lie and come up with stupid ideas like Global Warming.

Well the Lie-berals are wrong about Allende their 2nd favorite dictator after Hussein. Read some Chilean commentary on it and you will find the following: 1. Parliament revolted for months against Allende - why ? The country was going to hell, rampant inflation, economy had crashed and people had little food. Parliament called for reforms and was ignored by Allende. 2. There were hundreds of demonstrations against Allende for over 4 months by the middle class and poor. 3. A Civil War was imminent. 4. The Army called for reforms and a plan to solve the economic and civil strife. Allende ignored the army. In order to forestall a civil war the Chilean army by itself, without the CIA, took over power. The CIA's role was minor, I find it racist to suggest that the Chilean army was too incompetent to topple a moron like Allende. The coup occured months of prewarning Allende what would happened if reforms and the opening up of Parliament and the dismantling of his little clique were not acted upon. Allende deserved to perish - just his incipient stubborness alone, almost threw Chile into a civil war that would have killed tens of thousands. And Yes he was a Marxist and yes he tried to nationalise the economy and retard Chile's development by about 3 generations. And Yes Pinochet was necessary. And Yes Pinochet killed 2328 people. But he ended up saving about 100X that number. And Yes Chile today thanks to Liberalisation under Pinochet is a Western oriented state and the most prosperous of the Latin nations. And Yes unlike the Lie-beral dweebs who will moan and cry over Allende I have worked and been in Chile and can tell you compared to its neighbours it is a HELL OF A BETTER PLACE TODAY.

Martin's empire was built on Gov't backed loans. Martin during the 90s increased spending and taxes he did not reduce them. Black Dog - you sound like a naive little person who believes what people say. How about looking at reality, facts and what people do. Martin has not done anything to reduce the scope of gov't in Canada. He was foursquare behind the Liberal increase in spend and tax during the 90s. The debt/GDP ratio fell due to increased revenues from Ontario and Alta. The cash cows are being milked and the average worker squeezed. This is the program of Lie-beralism.

Boyd, you are right. What is needed is one Eastern province and a slim, reformed one at that. But patronage, pay offs and corruptin are endemic in the East so the chance of that happening is null under the current system. So my idea is simple - turn off the welfare and regional subsidy money taps. Once the cash is gone, you will be amazed at how fast the Easterners rush to reform their system. They might even have the common sense to take 4 little areas and amalgamate into one, and restrict government spending and regulation. Then again these are the same folks that destroyed their fishing stocks so who knows.

Pell, your genius continues to shine. Islam or any other societal organising concept must deliver the goods. I suggest you re-read the thread to understand why it has failed - its people are brainwashed, illiterate, stoned to death, ignorant, mal-educated, abused, poor, without hope and used as pawns by those who rape their countries for personal gain. Other than that it is a great organising philosophy. Oh yeah, can't wait to go to heaven and see the 72 virgins i have been promised. Now that sounds realistic and should help me live through the grinding squalor of everyday Arab life.

The investigation exonerated Blair and condemned BBC reporting. Thanks for your mindless chatter - but no one who thinks pays any attention to it. A simple case illustrates the mindlessness of lie-beral reporting. An Iraqi bureaucrat told the Clinton News Network that 170.000 artifacts were stolen from various museums. The BBC, CBC and assorted snot nosed Liberal professors from the Ivy Leagues all clapped their flippers together like the small minded trained seals they are - descrying this lost as the greatest archeological disaster in human history. Actual missing pieces - 33. Most of them shards of pottery. Lie-beralism and State media - have to love your sense of proportion - a disaster no matter if it is a success - it must be disaster. Duh.

You are funny. Your backhanded compliment hit the mark. I make no claims to what you referenced. The sources on the Saudi's and their princedoms - apparently they produce more every month a few dozen more. Sources include: National Post March 4 2002. "Saudi Arabia has 7.000 princes - at the time of writing; it maybe up to 7.600..." The Spectator, August 10 2002 -- in referencing said princes, "There are no good guys in Saudi Arabia - the choice is between those who are openly pro-al-Qaeda and those who are quietly buying them off .." SA has got to go. :angry:

The USSR was sustained by the US and Britain - supplies were vital for Stalin - tanks, vehicles, arms, food and oil. Without that Stalin would have had severe trouble. I will grant that Stalingrad and Kursk signalled the end of the Reich, but it was an Allied not a Russian only victory. What is important is what Nuclear stated - that Canada, the US and Britain share common values and institutions that must be defended. War is the necessary preoccupation of man.

Well i don't know much about Tanzania so your point could be right but I would suspect that domestic reasons and lack of liberal institutions plus printing of money would be good reasons for hyperinflation. Usually in the IMF cases i studied or read about domestic causes were predominant. South East Asia, Russia and Argentina are classic examples. Illiberal regimes and closed economies, with corrupt monopolies and cronyism are defining features.

Well I would say Canada and the EU supports terror. Both export monies to the PA which are used to kill Israelis. Both have nescient immigration policies that breed terror cells which export $ and monies back to the homeland. In fact Canada is apparently #2 according to the CIA in terror cells and money support for terrorism. Both declined to stop the killing of 250.000 Iraqi's under Hussein. Both have no military outside of the UK to defend themselves. Both give money to the IMF which hands large sums over to terror groups like the PA and other countries with despotic anti-liberal regimes. So bomb Canada, according to Riff's moronic logic.

Yeah Friedman also said that France is an enemy of the US - did you read that article ? More insightful than his usually Krugman style nonsense.

Iraq was funding terror, had active terror groups and paid homicide bombers long before 2003. To ignore that is to defy reality. Terror is sponsored by nation states, a key point that most Lie-berals forget as they try to support their favorite homicidal despot. Allende, Hussein, Mao, and so on.

Get serious. It is a small poor area living off of handouts. Either reform, rebuild and energize your area or have it imposed on you. And Pell, PEI is not a province - just a large Welfare farm.

MC, i agree, he has the right credentials, contacts and ideals and importantly enough courage to do what needs to be done.

What idiocy. Let's see; -Bush won 38 states vs. 12 for Gore OK so in the Lie-beral world Gore wins because he won the fewest states !! -6 Recounts were conducted in Fla. 3 by Dumbocruds. Bush won all recounts. In one recount the military was excluded and Bush still won. OK so in the Dumbo world, Gore lost 7 times in Fla and therefore MUST be declared the winner !! -CNN -- the Clinton News Network - announded at 7:40 pm on election night - 80 minutes before the Polls closed - that Gore won Fla. This cost the Reps 10.000 votes in the PanHandle as Rep voters stayed home [Democratic led investigation determined this]. CNN broke the law trying to give Gore the election. OK so in the Lie-Beral world breaking the law is ok as long as the Dumbo's win !!! Face it. You whine, you cry, and you sound and look like a loser.

As opposed to the allies that Russia had in invading Chechyna, the Chinese in Tibet, the French in the Cote d'Ivroire, the Serbians in Bosnia, the Iraqi's in Kuwait, and the Ugandans in the Congo. I am still awaiting with breathless concern the UN resolution sanctioning these actions. I am sure the resounding soft power voice of Canada will be raised in objection to the maltreatment of minority groups, and those who suffer, along with street demonstrations by moronic 20 somethings and those with little brain power, to protest these thoughtless invasions. I am sure the CBC will run accounts comparing the 1.000 civilians killed in Gulf War II with the .....er ...... 250.000 in Chechnya, the 2 million in Central Africa, the 500.000 in Tibet...... Then again thinking for B.Dog and his kind is not a natural occurence.

Yes great idea and by necessity transfers for regional development would have to stop, as would the Lie-berals silly idea of stealing your oil revenues and giving you a % in return through the 'Atlantic Canada Development Fund'. That was Rock's boneheaded idea. Why is that clown still around anyways ?

Neal, good observation: According to the Post, the difficulty is now over the method in selecting the leader. Harris is a natural choice and a good one. Like all action oriented, b.s. cutting leaders the Liberal media and elites will call him stupid. Apparently in the real world ie. not the Post Modern world espoused by sniveling overpaid Profs and Swivel Servants, men who accomplish and achieve are to be denigrated. Nevertheless Harris would challenge the Libs in a very serious manner. CBC nonsense and prattle notwithstanding, as long as he stays on message and is consistent with intelligent policies.

His conclusion: Clinton wanted an image as a peacemaker and needed the far left wing of the Dumbocrud party for support on a range of political issues. Ergo, politics trumped security. The field forces of the FBI and CIA were fully engaged in the war on terror, but the further you climbed the bureaucratic and political ladder the more muddied and lethargic was the response to a series of direct assualts by Bin Laden against US interests, people and assets, including the Aden Hotel bombing, the '93 WTO bombing, 2 Embassy bombings in East Africa, bombing of the USS Cole, and a number of other attacks. The author states that Clinton did not do enough and viewed these attacks as criminal investigations not acts of war. Hundreds of Americans and thousands of other nationalities died. August 7th 1998 when the embassy bombs ripped through 2 East African cities was the moment for Clinton to finally, belatedly, lethargically accept that a war was in process and to rally the nation. He did nothing. This is Clinton's legacy - the emboldening of terrorist activity and the devastation of 9-11

Your logic is impeccably illogical. As usual you cite no sources, no evidence, no rationale. You are a waste of time. Numerous posts outline in detail the mistakes Clinton made. This book which i quoted you will never read since it does not contain comic strips. You don't refute one single thing i have said on this thread so i will repost it.

Yeah i did - Garbage.

Great article in WSJ Sept 26th on what I have mentioned many times - the EU funds terror in the Middle East. Here is someone who is both affected and knowledgeable about death due to terror. For the Lie-berals and apologists, read it and refute it. ============ Mr. Roth is CEO of VirTouch Ltd, a developer of tactile computer devices for the blind. He and his wife established the Malki Foundation (www.kerenmalki.org) in their murdered daughter's memory. The European Commission is abuzz with financial scandals involving significant sums and the EU's statistical agency. They pale, however, compared with the consequences and scale of EU mismanagement in an area that affects my family and me. Last December, I traveled to Brussels as a member of a small contingent of Israelis. Each of us had experienced the loss of a family member by terrorism in the past two years. My daughter, Malka Chana, 15, was killed by a Hamas terrorist cell. She was a high school student, a talented musician, a volunteer passionately dedicated to the care of disabled children. When her murderer exploded himself in a Jerusalem restaurant in August 2001, he massacred 15 innocent civilians, mainly children and teenagers. Hundreds were injured. Chris Patten, the EU's Commissioner for External Relations, plays a central role in the provision of EU financial aid to the Palestinian Authority. I intended to ask him in that visit whether he was aware of evidence that EU money, channeled through his office to the PA and so necessary to improving Palestinian lives, was being diverted to fund terrorism. Did he believe a just peace could be achieved when teachers paid from EU grants to UNRWA (U.N. Relief and Works Agency) teach Palestinian children that Israel has no right to exist and that their martyrdom is a glorious part of the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the Middle East? Unlike the other senior EU figures we approached, Mr. Patten declined to meet us. We met his deputy instead. I referred him to evidence uncovered by Israeli forces in 2002 showing that the PA's top managers skim money off the payroll and that secret bank accounts are a routine part of corruption in the PA. My concerns were misplaced, he said, since all payments made via Mr. Patten's office to the PA are closely supervised by the International Monetary Fund. Immediately after our meeting, I checked the record and learned that some months before, the IMF had published a report denying this. The IMF report confirmed budgetary abuse by the PA. Earlier this month, my family and I again lost friends to terrorism. One of the victims of another massacre in a Jerusalem café was an emergency room doctor, David Appelbaum, who had dedicated his life to caring for terror victims -- Jews and Arabs alike. His daughter, killed with him, was to be married the next evening. Their tragic murders led me to reflect again on what it would take to stop the hate-filled education of Palestinian children that turns them into walking grenades. Checking the EU's Web site, I found a Dutch MEP had just asked some questions to Mr. Patten on this theme. Mr. Patten's written answer said that the Commission "has no evidence of Community funding to the Palestinian Authority being misused for anything other than its agreed purpose. Should such evidence come to light, immediate action would be taken." This was strikingly similar to his response to charges about the misuse of EU money by the PA. The refrain was repeated after Human Rights Watch's report into Palestinian terrorism noted that "The al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades appear to have benefited from the routine misuse of PA funds." Some 55% of all Palestinian Arabs are under the age of 20. Addressing their needs is critical to the building of bridges of peace between our two peoples. Around €3.5 billion in the form of EU aid reached the Palestinian leadership between 1994 and 2001. Wherever it went, it has failed to benefit their education or bring peace. The hateful messages that permeate their education, including EU-funded textbooks, guarantee another generation incapable of reconciling itself to peace with Israelis. In fact, there is internal Palestinian correspondence verifying that Hamas has taken control of the Palestinian Ministry of Education, ensuring the children continue to be taught to admire and emulate suicide bombers. Mr. Patten promised immediate action when concrete evidence comes to light. I have now written to him, pointing to two specific sources. First, the San Francisco Chronicle, in an interview last week with Mahmoud Abbas, the PA prime minister who just resigned, quotes him as confirming what Israeli documents proved 18 months ago: that the PA's top managers skim money off the payroll and that secret bank accounts are routine. The story quoted Mr. Abbas as saying that Arafat blocked financial reforms because they threatened illegal slush funds Arafat was using to pay for the intifada. PA officials' salaries are paid by the EU, "but Arafat or his cronies were skimming off up to 15% in income taxes and using it for their own causes," said the story. It then quoted Mr. Abbas as saying "Personally, I don't know where those funds go. When we wanted to cancel them, they said: 'You're harming the intifada'." A second source is a report on the Palestinian economy released last week by the IMF. This reveals that $900 million was "diverted" by Arafat from tax receipts alone over the past several years. Most of it possibly ended up in Palestinian public assets. But the IMF adds that not all the missing money can be accounted for and points to additional specific problems in internal PA budget control practices. Published Israeli military intelligence reports said exactly this last year. Mr. Patten dismissed them. The Commission has stubbornly denied the existence of such corruption even while serving as one of its principal feeders. Innocents like my daughter die because money is available to lubricate the wheels of evil and corruption and for hate-filled education. My letter reminds Mr. Patten that the EU-sponsored road map demands an immediate end to Palestinian terrorism. He can choose to exercise the funding power already in his control, and condition future PA grants on unambiguous prior evidence that Palestinian education has become peace-directed and positive. Or he can continue denying the price of EU blood money.