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You don't think Omar did anything wrong??????? WOW!!!!

BTW: just listening to some bleeding heart Liberal on Global whining that Kadhr claims to be on `team human` or some other nonsense. Really? REALLY!!

I think Rue`s post just before yours hits the nail on the head. Our legal system just was not designed to deal with the issues of terrorism left undefined by the UN and the rest of the world. You would think that with the Zealots setting the benchmark over 2 centuries ago we would have had the time to figure it out.

Since Judaism long predates Christianity, and both are much older than Islam, I do not understand why you would call that religion `stone age`. Under Sharia law, only four wives allowed, and then only if the husband is able to treat each equally. In a country that condones and codifies same sex marriage, even pretending to have the moral ground to enforce judeo-christian ethics regarding polygamy is ridiculous. I DO understand that the BC courts were really trying to address the child sex abuse factor, but they should have done so using legislative basis intended to protect children, not taking away the rights and freedoms of consenting adults.

Hmmm. you mean he was held for about the same length of time many residential school victims were subject to physical and mental abuse while forcibly removed from their homes and family? IMHO, that has already set a precedent of how much award should be - around $25,000 IIRC. Where this whole affair is so far off track, is that anyone with any sense at all can see what the Kadhr family was...and probably IS to this very day. Omar wasn't plucked out of his peaceful, safe home by the government and spirited away to a church, he was taken BY HIS PARENTS into the darkest place on Earth these days. The reason we are having this discussion is that our government let them stay here when they had already become widely known as actively and deeply involved in funding, promoting and prosecuting terrorism. Giving him a pass because he was a dependent minor might have flown with Canadians, but rewarding him for what he did to such a ridiculous extent is so far over the top - it clearly demonstrates just how broken our government and our courts have become. Yes, lest anyone else wants to go there: David Milgaard received $10mm for being wrongfully imprisoned for 23 years - but let's make this one thing very, very clear: Milgaard was completely innocent of any wrongdoing - whereas Kadhr had already been training and preparing to be a terrorist and acting out fully the crimes of same potentially against Canadian citizens (who were in Afganistan of course). If nothing else, Kadhr should be compensating Canada and the USA for removing him from his parents' influence that would likely have resulted in a far worse outcome for him and his victims. Take a look at reality: he is a free man enjoying the benefits of living in the greatest country on Earth. Do you think he would enjoy this status if left to his parents until he was 18?????

Yes, his rights as a citizen were violated, I do not contest that. What I contest is that the government and the courts had no business in rewarding him to any extent beyond being allowed the incredible privilege and good fortune to remain in Canada as a free man.

I am not expert at the laws in question, so I can't really refute that statement. The vast majority of Canadians are aghast at what was done by the courts (and I can tell you with some certainty - at the behest of government) as well as government. If indeed there was a law that required him to be compensated (and there is not - it ALLOWS him to seek compensation) it would be horribly wrong and as it stands, allowing this particular award is seen to be wrong by most Canadians. The law is there to serve the citizens, and in this case (as in so many others) it is not doing that, so IMHO, it is wrong - or at least deeply flawed.

Unlike most of the people who simply have an opinion, I have been personally involved in investigating, funding and contributing in may ways to pursuing some of the travesties of justice that DID NOT IN ANY WAY FOLLOW THE LAW (Andy McMechan's case for one), many others related to crimes by elected officials, illegal farm foreclosures, etc. and have been personally acquainted with people who went after some very high profile cases. It is hardly only "my judgement" but very much a case of applying the actual laws of this country - very much contrary to the efforts of the crown. But, you are free to spin from out there is left field - after all, it is still a free country (until you're lot get finished with it, anyhow).

The courts in this country make a mockery of law most of the time. BUT, when it comes to civil, you have to remember that judges are nothing but lawyers, and participate freely in abusing the courts for things that are a long way from justice using the framework of "the law" as they interpret it. I have been directly involved in many cases that demonstrate this to an extreme. BTW: what the heck do you mean by "trusting the USA"????? You must be smokin' the good shit tonight.

To you, and Hudson Jones: yes, I will grant that awards have been given, but IMHO this is what the CIVIL courts have interpreted, not what is strictly in the code (just assuming here, but have never encountered anything to the contrary ). Enforcing the charter or rights does not mean that financial awards are due, or that would IN the law/charter. Once again, residential school settlements are coming from an agreement made by government, NOT from any requirement of the law. Finally, I can't let the last one go: I have been personally acquainted with those who finally prevailed in the prosecution of Mount Cashel and can tell you I have heard "right from the horse's mouth" exactly how many government institutions and agencies were directly involved first in placing children in care, secondly in denying the strong evidence of abuse, thirdly in a massive coverup and finally in destroying the career of the first RCMP officer who attempted to prosecute. You want to believe government(s) were very much complicit (and that child abuse and child sexual abuse was rampant in most orphanages in Canada run by churches).

because I was responding precisely to the statement quoted from this thread.

We should be so lucky. Maybe then we would enjoy leadership that stands up for Canada instead of al Queda

And, where in "the law" does it say we owe someone millions of dollars when their rights have been violated with the complicity of the government??? If that were truly the case, Andy McMechan would be a rich man today, as would every genuine victim of residential schools and even the orphanages operated by the Catholic cult???

You just described the vast majority of our aboriginal population

You make some valid points, but what is missing here is the fact that on one hand, one "side" of this debate wants him to be excused for his actions because he was a "child soldier". The other side points out he was a child terrorist, but this is all semantics. Yes, he was a legal minor. We have all ignored the detail that since he was a minor, his legal parents and/or guardians were responsible for his actions and care, and THEY failed in their obligations. His old man got his in Afganistan, but Mamma Maha the avid (even rabid) terrorist supporter and financier got a PASS from Canada!!!! Scheer has played and called this dead on the money. There is NOTHING in the law to financially reward a child terrorist for being a child terrorist. His reward was to be allowed to be a free man in Canada. What is totally disgusting is that his Mother is too (I believe).

neither is OK, but terrorists from Canada heading off to whatever-stan to kill CANADIANS, locals and our allies is just hunky dory with you. If you want to be so in line with the law, what about Mommy & Daddy's oath????

No, and I haven't been stoned either (in either sense). Ever been to an abortion clinic?????

I happen to like KSA a great deal - mostly because crime is simply not tolerated. When I get off of the airplane in Riyadh and i see the sign the "the penalty for dealing drugs is death", I definitely feel comfortable. I understand that when you want to make love to terrorists you feel some sort of tug at your heartstrings, but when you have know people and families who have been at the mercy of terrorists you might actually understand why there is really no other good solution for them. Funny: the left fringe of society gets all upset about suggesting a fitting end for someone who has freely chosen to kill as many people as they can with the most destructive weapons they can fashion, but then has absolutely no problem with murdering innocent Canadian children before they are even borne.

Sgt. Spears, the rest of the US, Canadian, Australian, British, etc. forces were part of a UN Security Council approved effort to engage those who attacked the US in 9/11 - expressly to eliminate the foundation of terrorism that was threatening several UN countries and thus world peace and security - and they were doing so at the invitation of and co-operation with the legitimate government of Afghanistan. The Taliban and Al Queda - for whom the Khadr's voluntarily left their adopted nation ( to go to a country NOT of their origin but one of their terrorist group's sites of invasion of another sovereign state - clearly violating their sworn Oath of Allegiance as naturalized citizens). Any attempt to legitimize or excuse what they were doing as being "soldiers" or "defenders" is purely BS. I might once again point out that CANADA had its citizens fighting on behalf of the alliance forces in defense of the peace and security of many other nations without the balls to stand up to the same terrorists they are now being attacked by. The Khadrs may have killed some Americans, but they could just as easily have been attacking Canadian forces. Trying to hide this behind the "child soldier" defense is similarly disgusting. The little crapbag was not forced into this situation, he went by all accounts extremely willingly and knowledgeable (and thoroughly trained) about what his purpose was. Deportation is far too good for the surviving Khadrs, a firing squad would be far more appropriate.

physical commodities, manufacturing, energy mostly related to transportation and heavy industry.

when I am asked the difference working in other countries, I have three standard replies: 1. An American will arrive in your country loudly proclaiming what you must do to conclude a deal, he will want to sign a contract and go back to his American chain hotel and wonder why you would be so stupid as not to want to be just like him. A Canadian will arrive and just listen to what you have to say for a while, try to understand your use of whatever language you share, try to understand your culture - usually by living among locals, gain your trust and try to structure a deal where everyone comes out with something they want. 2. In any crowd of business people: the Yank will be the loud one and the Canuck will be the one with no balls. 3. (Of companies travelling the world) Every American company will tell you that they are the best in the world at what they do - and a few percent of them actually are. A Canadian company will apologize for being Canadian, but will, maybe one of the 3 times, actually BE world caliber and at or near the top of the heap. The reason is: Canadians for the most part actually follow the rules in both business and science. American follow only the money.

I can not help but LMAO every time I see the Dumm.....er....DEMocrats scurrying around in frantic attempts to dump Trump. They are so busy with that obsession, they are not noticing how well he is assaulting the half-wit policies of globalizing leftiness that has crippled the USA. Yes, Trump says and does some contradictory and bizzare things, but overall, he is the first leader of the USA in a very, very long time to even begin to grasp how deep the doo-doo is for his country. What I think the media (also totally pre-occupied with Trumpiness instead of trying to understand and grasp the real issues) has missed is that the people are no where near as ignorant as those with a vested interest in what Trump skillfully keeps unbalanced. If I was on the fence, Trump telling the globalists to stuff the Paris accord pushed me off the middle. Getting comfy with Putin at the G20 was yet another signal that there is some delicate and intelligent diplomacy at hand to try to bring stability to a world that could easily fall back into an "us and them" superpower standoff.

Gee, I am sorry I missed this thread, glad I finally noticed it. When making presentations to Senate hearings of the USVI, we pointed out the exact problem that they have relative to Puerto Rico. In that case, the last election was bought by Hess to dump PDVSA and their environmental obligations related to the Hovensa refinery. USVI is far worse off relative to Puerto Rico on a per-capita basis, and with no resources to plunder (as is case with Canada - as someone asked why we can float debt). The reason that PR wants statehood is simply financial.

I think the debate in this thread is very close to representative of Alberta politics today. However, the NDP will pay dearly for the misery they and the co-incident collapse of oil prices inflicted on the province during their tenure. I have to concede that Nutjob has walked a much more centrist line and has kept her looney fringe largely in check. The reason IMHO that they got votes last time around was not only was Alberta sick of the PCs as noted above, but they had drifted so far left that it was a bit confusing as to what the hell the difference was to the NDP or any other train wreck.

"HIGHER" standard???????? Geez, give me a break. The courts have demonstrated time and again that the two-bit ambulance chasers will provide whatever political result their masters find expedient. Answer me this: where was the outrage when Andy McMechan was jailed???????? As even you must admit, the outrage that the vast majority of Canadians and even outsiders feel over this shows that Goodale stepped far, far over the line on this one. No, I don;t mention Turdeau, as anything beyond brushing his hair and teeth are up to his handlers and beyond his grasp.